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Old 20-09-18, 04:00 PM
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And so it should for £749 for a pants card with a crap cooler. A decent 2080 will cost you £860+.

Also, I am calling this now. Watch when the new Metro comes out, and these cards turn into Fermi. I am also calling this now too, RT will be a flop because it's PC only, it's too expensive, and it is not compatible with all PCs (due to AMD).

I hate to say that, but those are my predictions, regardless of how they make me feel.
RT won't flop because it is the only way to fix rasterization errors, it's the natural transition - it has to start somewhere and this is a good starting point. I'm intrigued to see AMD's take on DXR.

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Old 20-09-18, 04:11 PM
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I've never called them ports. Cross compiled? I think that would be more accurate.

But seriously, just to show how terrible the price of these cards are..

I bought a 50" (or 55, can't recall) TV for £349 on Amazon. It is 4k, and was a 2017 model. I then bought a XB1x (scorpio ed to be exact) for £340 and then a butt load of games, new pads etc. I now have four battery packs, two controllers, 12 games or so and I have spent less than £1000 *total*.

That is how insane RTX prices are.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

49" 4k. Still in stock.

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RT won't flop because it is the only way to fix rasterization errors, it's the natural transition - it has to start somewhere and this is a good starting point. I'm intrigued to see AMD's take on DXR.
AMD will win, IMO. They will have the RT tech that goes into the consoles, and thus *every one* develops for.

I now have a new saying. "If it doesn't run on a console I don't want it". Saves me getting my hopes up tbh.

I feel AMD will reveal their RT tech with a console tbh. Maybe next round? maybe the one after it don't matter. They are in with Sony and M$ for the long haul eh?
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Old 20-09-18, 05:50 PM
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Excellent review

Most excellent review, many thanks. The time has come to replace my two Maxwell Titan X cards.
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Old 20-09-18, 05:55 PM
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AMD will win, IMO. They will have the RT tech that goes into the consoles, and thus *every one* develops for.

I now have a new saying. "If it doesn't run on a console I don't want it". Saves me getting my hopes up tbh.

I feel AMD will reveal their RT tech with a console tbh. Maybe next round? maybe the one after it don't matter. They are in with Sony and M$ for the long haul eh?
But if the 2080Ti supposedly can barely run Exodus with RT, how is a console from AMD going to? Maybe the RT will be incredibly limited, or virtually undetectable, compared to Nvidia and the PC. Therefore the gap between the console and PC will remain. Enthusiasts who want the best and can afford it will go PC; people who don't care enough or can't afford it will sacrifice it for 'second rate' Ray-Tracing, or none at all.
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Old 20-09-18, 11:31 PM
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Hmm well this is food for thought. It may be hugely pricey and not a justifiable upgrade from the 10 series from what we have seen but from where I'm sitting with a 980ti under the hood that 2080ti is 2 or 3 times faster...

Oh and I got to the end. Thanks for another insightful ramble TTL.
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Old 21-09-18, 12:53 AM
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But if the 2080Ti supposedly can barely run Exodus with RT, how is a console from AMD going to? Maybe the RT will be incredibly limited, or virtually undetectable, compared to Nvidia and the PC. Therefore the gap between the console and PC will remain. Enthusiasts who want the best and can afford it will go PC; people who don't care enough or can't afford it will sacrifice it for 'second rate' Ray-Tracing, or none at all.
That is just Nvidia's method. AMD could make, for example, a quad core GPU and dedicate two to RT. Sure I read it would be a part of Vulkan.

What we don't know and likely never will (rather conveniently I feel) is what would happen if you ran RT on Pascal.
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Old 21-09-18, 02:07 AM
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That is just Nvidia's method. AMD could make, for example, a quad core GPU and dedicate two to RT. Sure I read it would be a part of Vulkan.

What we don't know and likely never will (rather conveniently I feel) is what would happen if you ran RT on Pascal.
It quite literally won't run and if it does run it'll be the best slideshow you've ever seen.

Not sure why you and a few others are so annoyingly negative about Ray Tracing(not this post I quote but I've seen it since the announcement). It's not going away. It looks phenomenal. And it's finally here. It's quite literally the next step in graphics rendering. Everything we have done in the past was wrong for lighting. We got it close to RT but not exact(just impossible to do). Accurate real world lighting is something we couldn't do in real time. We finally can. This is what game developers have been aiming since forever. It's not going away. It's going to start getting more and more prevalent. Devs are going support it. There's no question.

So we can all please just stop about the RT? Like I get it these cards aren't going to be very good at it unless you get the 2080ti. But really outside of that it's not going anywhere and only going to get better

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Old 21-09-18, 03:33 AM
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RT won't flop because it is the only way to fix rasterization errors, it's the natural transition - it has to start somewhere and this is a good starting point. I'm intrigued to see AMD's take on DXR.
You mean Vulcan then.
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Old 21-09-18, 05:33 AM
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1080ti.

Pretty sure you would get more $ vs performance.

I'm certain the over priced 20xx is to shift the last of the 10xx cards nvidia are stuck with at the moment.
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I think that's a big element to this. A 2.5 year-old architecture is so ahead of the competition that Nvidia are quite happy to continue to sell them when a newer, more advanced architecture is out. Even if Nvidia hadn't manufactured a boatload in response to the mining craze, I still think they would be selling them side-by-side with Turing.
First GPU launch I've seen that my local etailer PCCasegear hasn't sold out of by the time I get to work in the morning. We're a week away from the Ti's release in Aus yet so maybe people are holding out. 1080/Ti prices here are still the same as the day they were released.

They have said however that they had quite a few 1080ti sales yesterday in response to the reviews and pricing so yeah I think you boys are on the money here.
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Old 21-09-18, 06:26 AM
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You mean Vulcan then.
It'll have to be both. Windows is to big of a OS to not support it. Especially since Vulkan is so rare. I'm sure Vulkan is already working on it but Devs will use DX. So they have to support it and if Nvidia is supporting it that just means AMD has more reason to support it. Or rather no choice.
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