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Old 23-08-19, 01:07 AM
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I understand privacy concerns, but they all collect and sell your data. It's also the websites you use. they collect and store data about you as well. Even this one.

You can't escape it. No reason to be super against one.

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Old 23-08-19, 02:10 PM
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Yeah I'm a big fan of Opera as a Chromium browser, features like the built in ad blocking and VPN features make it usable out the box without Chrome extensions(though they're still available) while it's still not as bloated as full Chrome.
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Old 25-08-19, 10:42 AM
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I understand privacy concerns, but they all collect and sell your data. It's also the websites you use. they collect and store data about you as well. Even this one.

You can't escape it. No reason to be super against one.
True, but that doesn’t mean you have to pull down your pants completely and reveal yourself to the world. What you mentioned in your previous post, that it needs to be approved by the community, fair point. Although from my research, all of the big tech giants, such as Google, has more than enough resources to still collect your data. Wether it’s been approved by the community or not, in the end, anything that is related to Google, they will take advantage of. As we are their products after all.

Just look at Windows for example, which Barnacules (sorry if misspelled) even did a video on, he used a certain program to block and/or shut off anything that could basically be used to ”spy” on him. Then once the PC got updated, the Windows updated re-activated all of those settings - without even saying or asking for his permission to do so.

Call this ”thin foil hat” if you want (this is not directly pointed at you NBD though, so don’t take it that way), but it’s just that even if you’re not doing anything illegal, it’s a matter of principles. That I don’t want to give away my life, freely, to these companies.

My private life is just that, private. And I should be able to use the internet freely, without needing the concern of companies spying on my private life.
Hence why I use Firefox and VPN, to give as little away as possible, as I see it as a human right to keep my private information private.
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Old 25-08-19, 12:08 PM
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I mean if you're genuinely super strict about it, there's always the Tor browser(heavily modified Firefox with onion routing, built in noscript and a bunch of other stuff) , even with the general internet it's more secure than normal Firefox with add ons.

If it's advertising I'd you're worrying about that only requires cookies for them to make robust profiles really though.
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Old 25-08-19, 12:43 PM
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I mean if you're genuinely super strict about it, there's always the Tor browser(heavily modified Firefox with onion routing, built in noscript and a bunch of other stuff) , even with the general internet it's more secure than normal Firefox with add ons.

If it's advertising I'd you're worrying about that only requires cookies for them to make robust profiles really though.
Yeah, I’m aware of the Tor browser... although that is a bit overkill for my needs and a bit over the top.

All I’m saying is that I personally use Firefox over any Chromiom/Google based/related browser, since it is more privacy minded.
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Old 25-08-19, 05:42 PM
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True, but that doesn’t mean you have to pull down your pants completely and reveal yourself to the world. What you mentioned in your previous post, that it needs to be approved by the community, fair point. Although from my research, all of the big tech giants, such as Google, has more than enough resources to still collect your data. Wether it’s been approved by the community or not, in the end, anything that is related to Google, they will take advantage of. As we are their products after all.

Just look at Windows for example, which Barnacules (sorry if misspelled) even did a video on, he used a certain program to block and/or shut off anything that could basically be used to ”spy” on him. Then once the PC got updated, the Windows updated re-activated all of those settings - without even saying or asking for his permission to do so.

Call this ”thin foil hat” if you want (this is not directly pointed at you NBD though, so don’t take it that way), but it’s just that even if you’re not doing anything illegal, it’s a matter of principles. That I don’t want to give away my life, freely, to these companies.

My private life is just that, private. And I should be able to use the internet freely, without needing the concern of companies spying on my private life.
Hence why I use Firefox and VPN, to give as little away as possible, as I see it as a human right to keep my private information private.

You misunderstood.

Chromium is open source. Google has no bearing on what goes on Chromium. Chrome is based off Chromium. Chrome is a separate non-open sourced browser that uses Chromium as it's base.

Yes Google helped create it and whatnot but it's open source and they can't just go adding whatever they want to. It gets approved and if they tried to add whatever data mining crap the community would laugh at them.

That's why Chromium has less features than chrome. Because they don't want to collect every bit of data like Google.

Even still, anything these days including FF tracks you and your data. It's how they make money and stay in business. Whether it's your browser engine or the website you visit, or your ISP. They collect.

That's why it's important to use a VPN but people can still fairly easily figure out who you are and what you are looking at.

That's also why you should help promote better privacy laws. To keep tracking to a minimum.
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Old 25-08-19, 05:50 PM
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You misunderstood.

Chromium is open source. Google has no bearing on what goes on Chromium. Chrome is based off Chromium. Chrome is a separate non-open sourced browser that uses Chromium as it's base.

Yes Google helped create it and whatnot but it's open source and they can't just go adding whatever they want to. It gets approved and if they tried to add whatever data mining crap the community would laugh at them.

That's why Chromium has less features than chrome. Because they don't want to collect every bit of data like Google.

Even still, anything these days including FF tracks you and your data. It's how they make money and stay in business. Whether it's your browser engine or the website you visit, or your ISP. They collect.

That's why it's important to use a VPN but people can still fairly easily figure out who you are and what you are looking at.


That's also why you should help promote better privacy laws. To keep tracking to a minimum.

How so?... So basically everyone that says a VPN protects you, is just saying bs?
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Old 25-08-19, 06:18 PM
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How so?... So basically everyone that says a VPN protects you, is just saying bs?
It does protect you from most people and companies. Your ISP can still track you though as all your data that goes in an out is routed through them. Will they know the contents? No. but they can still see you and your VPN connection. Could they find out your downloading illegal stuff behind that encryption? Yes. My brother found that out the hard way using Utorrent behind a VPN..

Plus if a "hacker" knows the encryption keys used to encrypt and decrypt that data, they can easily intercept the transmission and decode the contents.

So excluding the ISP, it's basically 99.9% safe. Hackers rarely go after one random person, they focus on companies to get access to tens of thousands of people.
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Old 26-08-19, 08:18 PM
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You misunderstood.

Chromium is open source. Google has no bearing on what goes on Chromium. Chrome is based off Chromium. Chrome is a separate non-open sourced browser that uses Chromium as it's base.

Yes Google helped create it and whatnot but it's open source and they can't just go adding whatever they want to. It gets approved and if they tried to add whatever data mining crap the community would laugh at them.

That's why Chromium has less features than chrome. Because they don't want to collect every bit of data like Google.

Even still, anything these days including FF tracks you and your data. It's how they make money and stay in business. Whether it's your browser engine or the website you visit, or your ISP. They collect.

That's why it's important to use a VPN but people can still fairly easily figure out who you are and what you are looking at.

That's also why you should help promote better privacy laws. To keep tracking to a minimum.
Chromium is also a massive code base written by mostly Google employees. It also hasn't been audited by a third party. Plenty of opportunities for tracking code to hide in plain sight.
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Old 26-08-19, 09:24 PM
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Chromium is also a massive code base written by mostly Google employees. It also hasn't been audited by a third party. Plenty of opportunities for tracking code to hide in plain sight.
Considering how many people contribute and the amount of features it lacks compared to Chrome, it wouldn't be so easy.

Yes, it does track you, as any browser will and does, but the amount and extent in the hands of Google itself is not much.

If you use any google service though, such as Gmail, or anything. Then no matter the browser, could be tor, or Opera with a VPN, they will get all the information anyway.

Heck even tech companies share data with eachother, so share with one and they all have it.


That's why people who refuse to use Chrome make no sense to me. Literally, it's impossible to use the internet without some service tracking or collecting data about you. That's why it's important to promote transparency and privacy laws.
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