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Old 04-11-19, 09:23 PM
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The 1080Ti is not as fast as a 2070 Super.

I had to say this. All I have heard is that the 2070 Super is "on par" with the 1080Ti. That's rubbish.

From the testing I have done the 2070 Super would be at least 10% faster.



That is a Titan XP under water, at 2100mhz. There is no thermal problem, the card simply taps out there.



That is the cheapest 2070 Super available right now, on air. I am not saying it would be much better under water, as again thermals are not what limits it. However, if that is beating a 2100mhz Titan XP (which I always had about a 5% advantage over a 1080Ti clock for clock with) then no 1080Ti is going to match that.

It's pretty much the same through all of the tests I have done.

Which is a real shame. A real shame because had it been £450 on launch then more people would get to enjoy it.

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Old 04-11-19, 10:00 PM
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As with all architectural leaps, performance differences are always on a game-by-game basis. The gap will be wider or shorter depending on your game or benchmark selection.

This is why takes like "The RTX 2080 Super/RTX 2080/RTX 2070 is just a GTX 1080 Ti" are silly.
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Old 04-11-19, 10:04 PM
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Also, Turing is comparatively better in Dx12 and Vulkan than in Dx11.
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Old 04-11-19, 10:15 PM
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As with all architectural leaps, performance differences are always on a game-by-game basis. The gap will be wider or shorter depending on your game or benchmark selection.

This is why takes like "The RTX 2080 Super/RTX 2080/RTX 2070 is just a GTX 1080 Ti" are silly.
It's all Nvidia's fault sadly. Had the prices been OK (not great, but OK) then more people would respect it I suppose. However the launch price of the 2070 was an absolute joke, and going higher it just got worse.

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Also, Turing is comparatively better in Dx12 and Vulkan than in Dx11.
Which let's face it is all that matters now.

I will say that currently I am very disappointed with the RT aspect of it. Quake 2 is just Quake 2 with some lighting and reflections. I mean it's over 20 years old and looks like it, regardless of RT. Star Wars demo is good, but you can't play it.

I need to play Control. As the differences in BFV were so minor I doubt I would notice it. Port Royal RT looks like bum. Like horrible, like they have stuck chrome vinyl all over the graphics. I am not impressed at all.

That was my only worry with RT. That it would end up looking fake and plastic. And so far I have been correct, though as I said I will doff my cap at the Star Wars demo, it's fantastic.
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Old 04-11-19, 10:44 PM
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Which let's face it is all that matters now.

I will say that currently I am very disappointed with the RT aspect of it. Quake 2 is just Quake 2 with some lighting and reflections. I mean it's over 20 years old and looks like it, regardless of RT. Star Wars demo is good, but you can't play it.

I need to play Control. As the differences in BFV were so minor I doubt I would notice it. Port Royal RT looks like bum. Like horrible, like they have stuck chrome vinyl all over the graphics. I am not impressed at all.

That was my only worry with RT. That it would end up looking fake and plastic. And so far I have been correct, though as I said I will doff my cap at the Star Wars demo, it's fantastic.
Agreed on the Dx, though around the time first reviews rolled in, people weighed it differently.


Ray tracing is more of a nice bonus, but unusable since I'm not a 60Hz gamer. :P Metro Exodus is also worth taking a look at graphics wise, but it runs like arse with DXR.
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Old 04-11-19, 11:53 PM
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Agreed on the Dx, though around the time first reviews rolled in, people weighed it differently.


Ray tracing is more of a nice bonus, but unusable since I'm not a 60Hz gamer. :P Metro Exodus is also worth taking a look at graphics wise, but it runs like arse with DXR.
Sadly it still doesn't support cloud saving and if I had to do it all for a third time from scratch I would die inside.

I will bring my save over on a stick or what not when I come back next, then give it a go.
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As with all architectural leaps, performance differences are always on a game-by-game basis. The gap will be wider or shorter depending on your game or benchmark selection.

This is why takes like "The RTX 2080 Super/RTX 2080/RTX 2070 is just a GTX 1080 Ti" are silly.
Agreed. Depends on games but a 2070 Super probably is faster more often than not overall.

Normal 2070? It's a tossup and still depends on the game.
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Old 05-11-19, 12:07 AM
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Agreed. Depends on games but a 2070 Super probably is faster more often than not overall.

Normal 2070? It's a tossup and still depends on the game.
It's good value at £450. Well, if you really wanted to buy COD MW.

Since the advent of Epic doing what they are doing it hasn't gone unnoticed on me that £30 PC games now cost £50 flat. It's also not gone unnoticed that you only save about £2 buying them from a key site.

I'd imagine some of this has to do with the fact that PC gaming is now a huge entity, and thus they feel they can take the pee more, and some of it is to do with Epic paying dearly for these games and thus the keys are full RRP.

I would have bought COD MW. It's next gen, it looks it, and from what I saw on YT of the terrorist raid in London? bugger me that looks epic.

Plus I've not had a decent COD romp in ages and ages. Last one I truly enjoyed was Ghosts, so I would have bought this game at £40+.

Which, when you take into account means the card cost me around £410. Which for the performance and features it offers is actually a bloody good price. My Vega Devil 64 cost that much just a year ago, and god, it really has a face only a mother could love. It is one of the most horrid to live with GPUs I've ever had. I'm only glad I paid £230 for it a year ago, and that it does actually work aside from being truly obnoxious.

It's quite funny just how much AMD has gotten away with over the past few years, just because Nvidia are such pee holes. There is NO WAY a card as hot and power hungry as the Vega 64 would have sold in single figures had it not been for the way Nvidia have been so bloody greedy. People would have laughed it, and Fury, off the face of the earth.

The whole massive joke when the GTX 480 launched was hot hot and obnoxious it was. The 7970 was worse. And the 290, and the Vega. Yet somehow they weren't called up on it as people were so peeved at the jokes Nvidia were doing.

My mother's smart power meter actually went nuts when I was doing load tests on the Vega a couple of days ago.
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My mother's smart power meter actually went nuts when I was doing load tests on the Vega a couple of days ago.
This actually made me so hard!
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Agreed on the Dx, though around the time first reviews rolled in, people weighed it differently.


Ray tracing is more of a nice bonus, but unusable since I'm not a 60Hz gamer. :P Metro Exodus is also worth taking a look at graphics wise, but it runs like arse with DXR.

With a 2080 Ti **not overclocked** DXR in M.E actually runs very well, Example below with max settings at 1440P, And the below picture is not cherry picked.


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