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Old 13-07-18, 05:58 PM
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Headphone upgrade suggestions

Looking to upgrade my HD598s for a better gaming and music listening experience.

Got a budget ofaround 400-450 USD (incl. shipping). Currently have the E10K Olympus DAC/AMP.

Also, I own the AT M50x's and I prefer the larger soundstage of the Senns, so I'm hesitating getting a closed back pair

Mostly playing Rainbow Six: Siege and listening to EDM (mostly bounce, hardstyle and progressive house), electro-pop and some trap.

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Old 13-07-18, 06:43 PM
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For that price I'd get the Sennheiser 700, Amazing set of cans and a few $ below your target price.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...sennheiser+700



Frequency response 8 – 44.000 Hz
impedance: 150 ohms

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Nevermind they apparently went up $50 in that short time

For just under $400 you can get the Sennheiser 650's, Amazing cans, I own a pair myself.

https://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD...sennheiser+650

Frequency response is 10 - 39,500 Hz
Impedance: 300 Ohms

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Beyerdynamic DT990s are very popular for gaming. Much cheaper too.

Wouldn't get the HD650 either since it's like what a 15 year old headphone? They have a newer version of them.

If you get anything above a DT990 or a Senns HD650 level headphone you'll probably need a stronger amp than the Fiio e10k
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Old 13-07-18, 10:19 PM
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Beyerdynamic DT990s are very popular for gaming. Much cheaper too.

Wouldn't get the HD650 either since it's like what a 15 year old headphone? They have a newer version of them.

If you get anything above a DT990 or a Senns HD650 level headphone you'll probably need a stronger amp than the Fiio e10k
990's are nice, Hot a pair of those aswell and they are great, Although if he wants a bit more bass I'd go with the 770's.
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990's are nice, Hot a pair of those aswell and they are great, Although if he wants a bit more bass I'd go with the 770's.
More bass because it's a closed headphone. So if that's what he wants sure.

Comes down to open vs closed headphones. If he wants open then imo the best headphone for the money is a DT 990. For closed it's the DT770.

If he wants to spend more it becomes even more complicated. So many headphones. I personally not a that big a fan of Senns but I've only listened to some closed ones.
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Old 14-07-18, 05:07 AM
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I know the 650s are quite old but then, there are the HD6XX from Massdrop, what do you think about those?
Have a friend with a pair that I could try them at but he's away on holiday at the moment.
Also, heard a lot about the DT990s as well, but wasn't completely sold on them.

Also, let's say that my current picks would be
1. 250Ohm DT990 Pros - Available locally for about 190USD
2. HD6XX from Massdrop for 215USD incl. shipping but I don't know about any import fees, don't think there's gonna be any.
Looked on Amazon for the HD660 S and HD700, but apparently they don't ship here.

Also, if you think that the price difference is going to be worth it - the HD660 S don't ship here from Amazon but are available locally for 580USD, and the HD700 for about 650USD

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More bass because it's a closed headphone. So if that's what he wants sure.

Comes down to open vs closed headphones. If he wants open then imo the best headphone for the money is a DT 990. For closed it's the DT770.

If he wants to spend more it becomes even more complicated. So many headphones. I personally not a that big a fan of Senns but I've only listened to some closed ones.
Bass isn't the most important thing for me, even though I listen to a lot of bass heavy tracks I prefer the bigger soundstage of the HD598s for the sort of heavier bass of the M50x that I currently own.

Also, for gaming I enjoy the bigger soundstage more, so I guess i'll go open back again!
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The HD660s are $500 US. So if you paid more than that I would say that's a ripoff since according to Google that should translate to 377british pounds. So paying more than us across the pond is a bad deal

HD700/800 imo are horribly over rated. Not saying they are bad but they get way to much focus because they just simply cost the most. Each have a moderate amount of bass but afaik the HD700 has great mids and highs and the HD800 has a wider soundstage but ear piercing highs. Both are also VERY amp dependant. I doubt you could run them close to there full potential off a Fiio E10k honestly.

Since you aren't sold on the Dt 990, you could get the Dt1990? Its probably more what you are looking for in comparison anyway. Bass is slightly better but far more clarity and responsiveness. Mids/highs will be better. But most of all what you are looking for is massive soundstage. I own the DT990 Pros and it's a fantastic headphone and under $200 is one of the best ones for open back. But in comparison to the HD series it's cheaper and at a disadvantage. So the best option is the DT1990 as a comparison and seeing as I found it for amazon prime for 378 pounds that's a far better deal than the HD660s.

For me it comes down to the HD660s and DT1990. Both are amazing but considering one is much cheaper it's probably best to get a Dt1990.

I own a pair of Beyer Amirons. Uses the same driver as a DT1990 but it's slightly different tuned but still open back. Also worth a consideration. SUPER comfortable. Like forget its there comfy. Love them. Use them for gaming and music for hours. DT should be similar in comfort, it just has a slightly stronger clamping force so it's more snug.
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The HD660s are $500 US. So if you paid more than that I would say that's a ripoff since according to Google that should translate to 377british pounds. So paying more than us across the pond is a bad deal

HD700/800 imo are horribly over rated. Not saying they are bad but they get way to much focus because they just simply cost the most. Each have a moderate amount of bass but afaik the HD700 has great mids and highs and the HD800 has a wider soundstage but ear piercing highs. Both are also VERY amp dependant. I doubt you could run them close to there full potential off a Fiio E10k honestly.

Since you aren't sold on the Dt 990, you could get the Dt1990? Its probably more what you are looking for in comparison anyway. Bass is slightly better but far more clarity and responsiveness. Mids/highs will be better. But most of all what you are looking for is massive soundstage. I own the DT990 Pros and it's a fantastic headphone and under $200 is one of the best ones for open back. But in comparison to the HD series it's cheaper and at a disadvantage. So the best option is the DT1990 as a comparison and seeing as I found it for amazon prime for 378 pounds that's a far better deal than the HD660s.

For me it comes down to the HD660s and DT1990. Both are amazing but considering one is much cheaper it's probably best to get a Dt1990.

I own a pair of Beyer Amirons. Uses the same driver as a DT1990 but it's slightly different tuned but still open back. Also worth a consideration. SUPER comfortable. Like forget its there comfy. Love them. Use them for gaming and music for hours. DT should be similar in comfort, it just has a slightly stronger clamping force so it's more snug.
I live in Israel so shipping and import fees are sky high for whatever you order,
that makes the 380gbp 1990 into a 500gbp pair of headphones.
I would love to get the 1990 instead of the 990, and based on a lot of recommendations I see that the Beyerdynamic line-up is superior price/performance-wise.

So last question is - I'm supposed to be traveling to Berlin this September, should I look to pick up a DT1990 there or get a pair of DT990s locally?
The 1990's cost would end up being slightly less than 3 times of the 990
Let me rephrase this:
Does the 3:1 cost ratio mean a somewhat close to 3:1 performance ratio on the E10K? Or should I spend less, but get a better DAC/AMP combo within my price range to accommodate future upgrades, for example, to a DT1990 or HD 660S?
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Cost is up to you and if you have the money and want to spend it.

But a performance to price ratio is hard to answer. We all hear differently. I've never heard of a headphone sounding 3x better than xxx headphone. So probably the answer would be no in that sense.

Your e10k can drive the DT990 Pros. I've done it as have other people on this forum. It's a great cheap combo unit. I would say it can drive the 1990, however I don't believe it will push it to it's limit. The DT990 is probably going to max it out. Should be fine either way but you'll need to have it in High Gain for both.

Edit:When I say max out, I mean volume wise. I bet you will still be able to drive it at a tolerable level so shouldn't be an issue. Beyer's are very sensitive. If it was the Senns you'd probably need a more powerful amp.
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Cost is up to you and if you have the money and want to spend it.

But a performance to price ratio is hard to answer. We all hear differently. I've never heard of a headphone sounding 3x better than xxx headphone. So probably the answer would be no in that sense.

Your e10k can drive the DT990 Pros. I've done it as have other people on this forum. It's a great cheap combo unit. I would say it can drive the 1990, however I don't believe it will push it to it's limit. The DT990 is probably going to max it out. Should be fine either way but you'll need to have it in High Gain for both.

Edit:When I say max out, I mean volume wise. I bet you will still be able to drive it at a tolerable level so shouldn't be an issue. Beyer's are very sensitive. If it was the Senns you'd probably need a more powerful amp.
Oh, I understand.
In terms of quality then, is the E10K's DAC good enough in general for headphones like the 1990?
Was really tempted to upgrade the E10K for a while also, so thanks for all the help, but here's my last question:
Should I get the 1990 now and upgrade the DAC/AMP later, or get the 990 and buy a ~200-300USD amp&DAC like the Schiit stuff or something (frankly I didn't research amps and DACs much since getting the E10K at first as a starter) and then later upgrade to a higher end pair of headphones when I have the cash?

Before you answer, my preference is to get the 1990 now and upgrade the DAC/AMP combo later. I think the E10K's DAC is a good enough quality for someone like myself at the moment and since I don't have stacks upon stacks to spend on audiophile gear as I have a PC upgrade in mind, it should be enough (or so I hope).

Thanks a lot!
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