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Old 25-01-20, 07:30 PM
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You're not wrong, but just going off past history I don't suspect much improvement to IPC. I suspect smaller inefficiencies they will address but the main underlying feature would be RayTracing support. That's why I am saying what I said.

I'd love to be wrong. I'd love AMD to surprise the heck out of everyone. I just don't hold much faith in that notion right now. It's kinda like expecting a Ryzen rebirth in the GPU space. I don't think we are there yet.

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Old 25-01-20, 08:55 PM
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You're not wrong, but just going off past history I don't suspect much improvement to IPC. I suspect smaller inefficiencies they will address but the main underlying feature would be RayTracing support. That's why I am saying what I said.

I'd love to be wrong. I'd love AMD to surprise the heck out of everyone. I just don't hold much faith in that notion right now. It's kinda like expecting a Ryzen rebirth in the GPU space. I don't think we are there yet.

AMD need to start using the chiplet approach like they did with Ryzen, I think that would net some large performance gains every gen.
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Old 25-01-20, 09:04 PM
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AMD need to start using the chiplet approach like they did with Ryzen, I think that would net some large performance gains every gen.
That doesn't really suit GPU architectures though. Latency is a GPU's worst nightmare. That's the easiest and biggest performance loss for GPUs.
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Old 27-01-20, 01:57 AM
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I'd disregard RT on Turing as a feature... Maybe next gen it'll be valid, but it isn't now.

And I'd certainly take a 400W Radeon card over a 280W 2080ti, if it performs better.
Lads, 2070 Super is rated at 215W but nobody loses their mind when 2080ti is so much larger.
Also, AMD is intentionally binning the Navi cards loosely to improve yields. Look at the 5600 XT for reference, it's a 160W card with the same shaders as 5700 and outperforms 2060 usually.
Which is a 160W+ card.
Or look at it this way, Navi was actually aimed much lower on the stack but because of the pricing reasons they turned up the clocks outside of its greatest efficiency band to match Nvidia's performance. Does it matter that it's new 7nm Vs a mature 12? Nope. What all matters is cost (from yields and pricing) and performance.
And AMD already basically tested tsmc's 7nm on the Radeon 7 so that they can judge cost of the 7nm, obviously they can do something much larger like they did but they had to wait for the process to mature and raytracing of course. Although it is unconfirmed AMD isn't simply slapping on RT cores and calling it a day. What they're gonna do for RT idk really but,
High end dies are always better binned and it's 7nm EUV AND a evolution of Navi so it's not unreasonable to expect of AMD to deliver similar TDP just that because the die sizes are smaller the coolers may be taxed more compared to 2080ti but then again 2080ti don't exactly run cool either.
Also 2080ti is after all much larger than the TU106 yet doesn't eat more than twice. It is simple better binned.
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