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Old 11-01-17, 08:33 AM
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People spend nearly that amount for less of a gain, for a new CPU and motherboard every time Intel releases new CPUs on a brand new 1 pin different socket.
A mate of mine (that bloke in Taiwan) recently did a survey across numerous forums about CPUs and what people were planning to buy this year.

The bulk of people who replied said they were either on X58 or Z68 still waiting for Intel to provide them with something substantial, like they did with the I7 920 and X58 or Sandy and Z68. Most said they were perfectly happy with performance but wanted something with more cores.

The problem is to get onto a 6 core Intel you need to spend a bucket load of cash. And even then it doesn't gain you much in the real world. I know a ton of people still sitting around with Sandy rigs waiting to upgrade. It really is a market there for the taking and if Intel could open their eyes and not stop alienating people with greedy prices and tiny upgrades they could make a killing. As it stands? it's still any one's market.

Now the GPU market is different. It is absolutely crammed with posers and show offs. As such every time Nvidia fart they will pay for it, just because it means they can wave their willy for X weeks/months until Nvidia release something else. Nvidia have managed to keep their market exciting and addictive where as Intel have just lost touch with reality. Sure, you do get some absolute die hards who upgrade every time, but those with any sense at all have realised that CPUs are not worth replacing every six months. You're much better off buying a new GPU.

Ryzen is AMD's chance to be a knight in shining armour. Their GPUs? forget it. Until they invest like they did with Ryzen they don't stand a chance. Maybe they can do that somewhen in the future if Ryzen turns out well.

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Old 11-01-17, 08:37 AM
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A mate of mine (that bloke in Taiwan) recently did a survey across numerous forums about CPUs and what people were planning to buy this year.

The bulk of people who replied said they were either on X58 or Z68 still waiting for Intel to provide them with something substantial, like they did with the I7 920 and X58 or Sandy and Z68. Most said they were perfectly happy with performance but wanted something with more cores.

The problem is to get onto a 6 core Intel you need to spend a bucket load of cash. And even then it doesn't gain you much in the real world. I know a ton of people still sitting around with Sandy rigs waiting to upgrade. It really is a market there for the taking and if Intel could open their eyes and not stop alienating people with greedy prices and tiny upgrades they could make a killing. As it stands? it's still any one's market.

Now the GPU market is different. It is absolutely crammed with posers and show offs. As such every time Nvidia fart they will pay for it, just because it means they can wave their willy for X weeks/months until Nvidia release something else. Nvidia have managed to keep their market exciting and addictive where as Intel have just lost touch with reality. Sure, you do get some absolute die hards who upgrade every time, but those with any sense at all have realised that CPUs are not worth replacing every six months. You're much better off buying a new GPU.

Ryzen is AMD's chance to be a knight in shining armour. Their GPUs? forget it. Until they invest like they did with Ryzen they don't stand a chance. Maybe they can do that somewhen in the future if Ryzen turns out well.
Well Intel is still selling a lot of CPU and motherboards even with small improvements.

I still don't think Ryzen is going to be as big as what some people are trying to make out, At least not this round more than likely in the second round of the Ryzen CPU's.
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Old 11-01-17, 08:40 AM
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Well Intel is still selling a lot of CPU and motherboards even with small improvements.

I still don't think Ryzen is going to be as big as what some people are trying to make out, At least not this round more than likely in the second round of the Ryzen CPU's.
They can't be selling that many dude. Not to existing customers, given about 90% of the guys I know and hang out with are all still on Sandy. That percentage is relative, too.

Maybe to new customers? yeah they will, but it's getting people to upgrade that has all of the money IMO.

Charging £185 for an I3 isn't exactly going to make them want to budge now, is it?
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Old 11-01-17, 08:43 AM
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A mate of mine (that bloke in Taiwan) recently did a survey across numerous forums about CPUs and what people were planning to buy this year.

The bulk of people who replied said they were either on X58 or Z68 still waiting for Intel to provide them with something substantial, like they did with the I7 920 and X58 or Sandy and Z68. Most said they were perfectly happy with performance but wanted something with more cores.

The problem is to get onto a 6 core Intel you need to spend a bucket load of cash. And even then it doesn't gain you much in the real world. I know a ton of people still sitting around with Sandy rigs waiting to upgrade. It really is a market there for the taking and if Intel could open their eyes and not stop alienating people with greedy prices and tiny upgrades they could make a killing. As it stands? it's still any one's market.

Now the GPU market is different. It is absolutely crammed with posers and show offs. As such every time Nvidia fart they will pay for it, just because it means they can wave their willy for X weeks/months until Nvidia release something else. Nvidia have managed to keep their market exciting and addictive where as Intel have just lost touch with reality. Sure, you do get some absolute die hards who upgrade every time, but those with any sense at all have realised that CPUs are not worth replacing every six months. You're much better off buying a new GPU.

Ryzen is AMD's chance to be a knight in shining armour. Their GPUs? forget it. Until they invest like they did with Ryzen they don't stand a chance. Maybe they can do that somewhen in the future if Ryzen turns out well.
Pretty much spot on. I always facepalm the moment I see "1080 owners club" forum posts... So much epeen and bragging rights pop up with GPU owners.
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They can't be selling that many dude. Not to existing customers, given about 90% of the guys I know and hang out with are all still on Sandy. That percentage is relative, too.

Maybe to new customers? yeah they will, but it's getting people to upgrade that has all of the money IMO.

Charging £185 for an I3 isn't exactly going to make them want to budge now, is it?
Well i don't know Intel must be selling them in some parts of the world then cause their still making money hand over fist.
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Old 11-01-17, 08:55 AM
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Well i don't know Intel must be selling them in some parts of the world then cause their still making money hand over fist.
Not sure about that. They have been closing factories and laying people off left right and centre.
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Over the last few years how many kids have left school got into PC gaming and built a system, what real options have they had CPU Intel and tbh GPU Nvidia
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Over the last few years how many kids have left school got into PC gaming and built a system, what real options have they had CPU Intel and tbh GPU Nvidia
Good point/question.

In the UK I would guess many of them bought Pentium/I3 rigs. The USA though is very different and people usually buy AMD at the low/mid end. The 6300 and 6350 were very popular because of their core count and the fact you could overclock them too. Yes they were slower in low threaded apps and games but I would rather have something I could learn overclocking on than something locked to high heaven.

AMD should have had no market left whatsoever but Intel are so precious with their cores and unlocking that people were forced to buy AMD.

With a good architecture AMD can absolutely dominate all areas of the market now. They have always offered a great varied range of CPUs and if we get core unlocking and stuff like that it will be even better.

Even if they manage to snag all of the Sandy users it would be one hell of a year for them tbh. Let's say a hex core at £250 or so. Right around the 7700k price but two extra cores. They would absolutely milk it.
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Considering the 1080 Ti will be inbetween the Titan XP and 1080 making it around 10% faster than a 1080 I'm definitely going to wait until Volta, I can't justify to myself spending in excess of £700 for a 10% perf boost.
The 1080ti won't just be 10% better than a 1080, surely. They would have to cut the living crap out of the GP100/102 to get down to slightly above 1080 levels. The Titan XP is almost twice as big as the 1080 and performs similar to 1070 SLI.

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Pretty much spot on. I always facepalm the moment I see "1080 owners club" forum posts... So much epeen and bragging rights pop up with GPU owners.
Which will be "1180 owners club" congregated of the same diehard enthusiasts as the previous thread.

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Even if they manage to snag all of the Sandy users it would be one hell of a year for them tbh. Let's say a hex core at £250 or so. Right around the 7700k price but two extra cores. They would absolutely milk it.
I'm very excited to see a 6-core around that price range that competes with a 5820K with similarly decent overclocking.
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Bit OT but just out of curiosity when is Volta coming? I mean 11xx series cards.

Back on topic, i literally cannot decide what to do atm, dont want to buy a 1080 now and wait for this Ti but i kind of want a card. Was absolutely disappointed when they didnt announce at CES
Same boat as me. I'm keeping the cash in my pocket until the announcement. I'm kind of tied to nvidia now as I've just bought a gsync monitor
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