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Old 21-09-20, 09:42 PM
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Might want to start looking for a different card
Dear Santa,

I havent been a good boy. But I know that you employ elves who look seriously under the age of legal employment. Hook me up with a 3090 and ill look the other way...

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Old 21-09-20, 09:45 PM
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Dear Santa,

I havent been a good boy. But I know that you employ elves who look seriously under the age of legal employment. Hook me up with a 3090 and ill look the other way...

Yours.

Anonymous Wishful thinker.
Why do you think he only keeps a list of the naughty boys and girls, you can't blackmail the good ones
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Old 22-09-20, 10:02 AM
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Some Q&A from Nvidia.


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What changes are you making to the NVIDIA Store moving forward?
As with many other etailers, the NVIDIA Store was also overrun with malicious bots and resellers. To combat this challenge we have made the following changes: we moved our NVIDIA Store to a dedicated environment, with increased capacity and more bot protection. We updated the code to be more efficient on the server load. We integrated CAPTCHA to the checkout flow to help offset the use of bots. We implemented additional security protections to the store APIs. And more efforts are underway.

You said the NVIDIA store would have GeForce RTX 3080s at 6 a.m. on September 17th, why did the store immediately go from “notify me” to “out of stock”?
At 6 a.m. pacific we attempted to push the NVIDIA store live. Instantly, the NVIDIA store was inundated with over 10 times the traffic of our previous generation launch, which took our internal systems to a crawl and encountered an error preventing sales from starting properly at 6:00am pacific. We were able to resolve the issues and process orders later than planned.

I saw individuals who use bots/scripts celebrating the purchase of multiple GeForce RTX 3080 GPUs! Did bots get all of the available supply?
No. While individuals using bots may have shown images of email inboxes filled with confirmed orders, NVIDIA has cancelled hundreds of orders manually before they were able to ship.
I don't know if I feel sorry for the bot purchasers or not. Maybe yes for those who used it to legitimately try to get a card for personal home use, and no for those intending to sell fo profit. But to see many cancelled... ouch!
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Old 22-09-20, 10:18 AM
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Some Q&A from Nvidia.

I don't know if I feel sorry for the bot purchasers or not. Maybe yes for those who used it to legitimately try to get a card for personal home use, and no for those intending to sell fo profit. But to see many cancelled... ouch!

That's actually pretty decent of them to put this amount of effort in to try and combat scalpers.
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Old 22-09-20, 11:23 AM
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Here is a conspiracy thought, that from a corporation point of view could make sense.

Consider the global pandemic. People dont have money to burn.

Now consider the corporation with a new product they want to mass produce, but have no idea how much to produce without being stuck with surplus in the launch. And more offerings just around the corner.

Lets say Nvidia intentionally created demand with a ridiculous low quantity at launch, knowing these would instantly sell out. But also generate an incredible amount of pre orders. Straight away you have a guesstimate on how many to produce in the next run, selling just enough to cater for the masses, and not being stuck with a single GPU left over, all the time focusing on the next 3080 20gb sku.

Its a typical corporation manoeuvre so we can't really complain. The world going nuts is just a sign how impatient everyone is.
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Old 22-09-20, 11:38 AM
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I can't see the savings in potential surplus being worth the hammering these companies take on the stock market when they do launches like this, it's not gonna please shareholders and is generally bad long term PR. As they highlight in their message, part of the issue with their launch came down to expensive rookie errors and lack of foresight, like not having any kind of meaningful human validation system to protect from bots, it's not a great look.

Even then, there's the customers, I know a lot of people who "ordered" 3080's from OCUK and such who are now getting indications cards might not be available for them until late October, and now the AMD rumours are flying around some are starting to question their original "purchase"/pre-order altogether.
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Old 22-09-20, 11:42 AM
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Here is a conspiracy thought, that from a corporation point of view could make sense.

Consider the global pandemic. People dont have money to burn.

Now consider the corporation with a new product they want to mass produce, but have no idea how much to produce without being stuck with surplus in the launch. And more offerings just around the corner.

Lets say Nvidia intentionally created demand with a ridiculous low quantity at launch, knowing these would instantly sell out. But also generate an incredible amount of pre orders. Straight away you have a guesstimate on how many to produce in the next run, selling just enough to cater for the masses, and not being stuck with a single GPU left over, all the time focusing on the next 3080 20gb sku.

Its a typical corporation manoeuvre so we can't really complain. The world going nuts is just a sign how impatient everyone is.
This is a main part of the problem with anything like this, create artficial scarcity, let hype build among the masses, and watch the vast majority start screaming "I WANT IT!" thinking owning such an item would make them part of an exclusive/elite group, and clamouring over each other without a second thought of whether or not they actually NEED it.

I was fairly impressed with the 3080 reviews; would it outperform my Vega? Absolutely, it would trample all over it. But do I need one? No. If more people would hold back and think whether they actually do need something rather than outright going mad, it wouldn't be no where near as bad.
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Old 22-09-20, 12:16 PM
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Consider the global pandemic. People dont have money to burn.
TBH you would be surprised. Loads of people did have money to burn.

I'm not talking about manual workers (what I mean by that is builders and self employed people who genuinely work very hard) but most over paid office workers were sent to work at home, and so were the more wealthy.

As such they have no petrol to pay, no over priced lunches, no baby sitting fees and so on. Life all of a sudden became so much cheaper, and they are bored and have an excess of money building up.

You should have seen what happened to the BMX market (collector, not just usual bikes). Everything doubled in price overnight and was selling like hot cakes. TBH? I could have easily cashed in. Like anything else though I don't collect on worth I collect on what has sentimental value to me and thus it's not about profit.

I would imagine if we see another lockdown sales of material things will fly up again. As of right now they have begun to settle back a bit and the panic seems to have alleviated.

If you consider that the 3080 and above are luxury items this fits the demographic perfectly.

Personally? like, my opinion? they were not ready for the launch but wanted to beat the PS5 and big Navi so they rushed it, stock be damned. They just wanted to go first to make sure they were ahead.

IMO? pre ordering is out of order. It shouldn't even be legal, as most companies are taking the money at order, not when the product ships. So once again they are bending the rules of trading. That means all of that money sits there making interest whilst you are waiting.

I can't remember what Youtuber said it, but one did. Don't pre order anything. Not games, not GPUs, not anything. Ah yes, it was Steve @ GN.

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This is a main part of the problem with anything like this, create artficial scarcity, let hype build among the masses, and watch the vast majority start screaming "I WANT IT!" thinking owning such an item would make them part of an exclusive/elite group, and clamouring over each other without a second thought of whether or not they actually NEED it.
That's the problem with life these days. People no longer seek real help for any issues they may have and instead have been encouraged to use retail therapy. Something which has proven to make matters worse in your life. You just end up in tons of debt and you find out you are no happier than before. It's a short term fix.

I mean FFS there are memes "Shut up and take my money". That's not even funny.

This generation are not prepared for a disaster. Something totally unavoidable like Covid. They have been raised to be too positive and too polite. They are ill prepared. When something truly bad does happen? they will fall apart. Sadly that is a by product of letting people think they are right all of the time. When something truly goes wrong? they can't handle it.

It's also why at the other end of the spectrum gangs are killing each other over drugs, which of course are all about money. Why? because they have to have the Iphone, the trainers and all of the things being drummed into their head that are critical that they cannot do without.

These are all of the by products of idealist capitalism.
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Old 22-09-20, 12:22 PM
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Consider the global pandemic. People dont have money to burn.
I know a fair few people who tend to buy a lot of stuff fairly frequently, Stuff they really don't need, Nevermind the funds they haven't earned, And this pandemic has not slowed them down 1 iota.

Prime example is a guy that lives in my building, Has never worked and gets quite likely close to £2000 a month in welfare judging by the amount of really high end stuff that Amazon delivers almost daily, Zero wrong with him, And I mean zero, The worst he has is a bad attitude.

Not meant as a jab at anyone that does get benefits but this guy is a very real scrounger.
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Old 22-09-20, 12:29 PM
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I know a fair few people who tend to buy a lot of stuff fairly frequently, Stuff they really don't need, Nevermind the funds they haven't earned, And this pandemic has not slowed them down 1 iota.
Not healthy to talk about yourself like that Dice.

I can understand the excitement in a way. Its 2 years since the last major launch from the Green team, and so far the red teams GPU releases have been well priced, but mediocre at best.

We created the hype ourselves. I am the same, I have many things I have that I dont need. Such as 6 guitars when I only play one but at least I have the surplus funds for it (not that its a good excuse)

I thankfully am happy that in my line of work, business has thrived far more than many others, seeing as telecommunication/internet has increased during isolation.
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