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Old 13-07-19, 02:47 PM
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To be honest I think RVII was always meant as a gaming card last, their reveal focussed much more on content creation, development, editing and streaming, for the workloads it's well suited to I think it will hold its crown till the next HBM2 prosumer card comes around(I don't think this is the death of HBM2 in consumer-ish cards, but maybe the death of it below ~£700), for gaming it's probably going to only match heavily OC'd 5700XT's on mature drivers. RDNA in its first iteration is quite slimmed down in terms of execution unit variety but then more or less doubles allocation on the graphics specific elements making each CU much larger in the end, so at the moment GCN will still have benefits in a fair few compute workloads, VII will probably be the best double precision consumer card for quite a while for instance, while it's bandwidth is currently pretty untouchable if your workload needs it.

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Old 13-07-19, 03:08 PM
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I wouldn't be too hasty on that.

Some table thing has now been unlocked and WC cards are hitting 2200mhz. That makes them faster than the 1080Ti....

Apparently partner cards will also remove the lock AMD put in place, and binning will be important. But yeah, that's over 30% clock increase so performance is pretty wild.

And this could merely be small navi.
I doubt anyone's hitting 2200mhz on core, but I'd like more info on this unlock thingy so I could prove that myself.

I think my VII is already faster than a 1080TI at 2100mhz, significantly so. Even if you OC the 1080TI to 2100mhz core also, and +600 on the memory, it won't touch the VII. The only issue is temps (of course).
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Old 13-07-19, 05:13 PM
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I doubt anyone's hitting 2200mhz on core, but I'd like more info on this unlock thingy so I could prove that myself.

I think my VII is already faster than a 1080TI at 2100mhz, significantly so. Even if you OC the 1080TI to 2100mhz core also, and +600 on the memory, it won't touch the VII. The only issue is temps (of course).
It's kosher. The video is in German, but Timmy Joe (your fellow Canadian) has a video up about it. They're saying AMD hamstringed the cards until AIB put butch coolers on them or you go water.

It basically unlocks clock tables instead of this lame "gaming clock" nonsense.
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Old 13-07-19, 05:15 PM
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https://www.tomshw.de/2019/07/11/ung...-rx-5700-xt/3/

There you go. On phone atm so pols for double penetration.
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Old 13-07-19, 06:08 PM
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Sure wish I read German, but thanks for the thought, LOL! I thought you mean someone was hitting 2200 on the VII core, not the 5700/XT. I translated the page and it sure is interesting, if it applies to the VII that is.
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Old 13-07-19, 06:13 PM
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Sure wish I read German, but thanks for the thought, LOL! I thought you mean someone was hitting 2200 on the VII core, not the 5700/XT. I translated the page and it sure is interesting, if it applies to the VII that is.
It's Navi ya plonker lol.

5700XT is faster than a 1080ti in the test.

God if it were the 7 you'd cause a pinch lmao
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Old 13-07-19, 09:30 PM
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To be honest I think RVII was always meant as a gaming card last, their reveal focussed much more on content creation, development, editing and streaming, for the workloads it's well suited to I think it will hold its crown till the next HBM2 prosumer card comes around(I don't think this is the death of HBM2 in consumer-ish cards, but maybe the death of it below ~£700), for gaming it's probably going to only match heavily OC'd 5700XT's on mature drivers. RDNA in its first iteration is quite slimmed down in terms of execution unit variety but then more or less doubles allocation on the graphics specific elements making each CU much larger in the end, so at the moment GCN will still have benefits in a fair few compute workloads, VII will probably be the best double precision consumer card for quite a while for instance, while it's bandwidth is currently pretty untouchable if your workload needs it.

Yep, Reason why it's not worth me swapping just yet, Maybe if a 5900XT big boy Navi comes out.
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Old 14-07-19, 12:36 PM
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Get em while you can if you have a real use for them then. There is a world outside gaming / creation and I've said it numerous times, Vega VII is stonking value when you take in sheer compute grunt / throughput and the lack of CUDA tax.
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https://www.tomshw.de/2019/07/11/ung...-rx-5700-xt/3/

There you go. On phone atm so pols for double penetration.
Ooh, that's exciting if it's true. Maybe AMD were again playing with Nvidia and 'real' Navi will clock higher and be faster than Super. Of course, it'll no longer be as efficient as Turing by that stage, but that doesn't bother me. An extra 30-50W is nothing if you can boost clocks and still maintain reasonable temps/noise levels.
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