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Old 10-09-20, 08:23 AM
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Doesn't sound like AMD has anything to rush about if Ampere stock rumours are true tbf, sounds like we've got another Turing esque paper launch coming without proper stock till Christmas.
Nope it means they can't compete as no business in their right mind would give their competition one and a half months before announcing anything, regardless of stock levels, they've seen what Nvidia have realize they can't compete so are just not bothering.

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Old 10-09-20, 08:26 AM
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I can categorically tell you right now it won't be as fast as the 2080Ti. It's VRAM and bandwidth starved for a start.
Some benchmarks have leaked for the 3080. So 3070 will be interesting to see.

3DMark Results:

3DMark Fire Strike Performance: 31919 (+25% 2080Ti, +43% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Extreme: 20101 (+24% 2080Ti, +45% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Ultra: 11049 (+36% 2080Ti, +64% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Time Spy: 17428 (+28% 2080Ti, +49% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Time Spy Extreme: 8548 (+38% 2080Ti, +59% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Port Royal: 11455 (+45% 2080Ti, +64% 2080S )
4K in-game benchmarks. The card appears to be 48 to 62% faster than RTX 2080 SUPER:

Far Cry 5 +62%
Borderland 3 +56%
AC Odyssey +48%
Forza Horizon 4 +48%
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Old 10-09-20, 08:36 AM
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Nope it means they can't compete as no business in their right mind would give their competition one and a half months before announcing anything, regardless of stock levels, they've seen what Nvidia have realize they can't compete so are just not bothering.
Surely AMD must be pretty confident they can price the cards right if they're not in any rush. Possibly both companies thinking they'll sell all their current stock by Christmas regardless?
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Old 10-09-20, 08:37 AM
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Surely AMD must be pretty confident they can price the cards right if they're not in any rush. Possibly both companies thinking they'll sell all their current stock by Christmas regardless of launch date?
Or pride has taken hold of AMD and they dont want to release too soon and appear desperate in any way.
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Old 10-09-20, 08:54 AM
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Some benchmarks have leaked for the 3080. So 3070 will be interesting to see.

3DMark Results:

3DMark Fire Strike Performance: 31919 (+25% 2080Ti, +43% 2080S )
I really hope that's not the graphics score as I got 36,578 with an overclocked 2080 Ti in that same test.
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Old 10-09-20, 10:29 AM
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I really hope that's not the graphics score as I got 36,578 with an overclocked 2080 Ti in that same test.
Better layout on kitguru site. although firestrike and firestrike ultra seem swapped.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/g...nchmark-tests/

If these results are legit, it does back up JH claim of up to double performance over the 2080.
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Old 10-09-20, 12:39 PM
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Some benchmarks have leaked for the 3080. So 3070 will be interesting to see.

3DMark Results:

3DMark Fire Strike Performance: 31919 (+25% 2080Ti, +43% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Extreme: 20101 (+24% 2080Ti, +45% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Ultra: 11049 (+36% 2080Ti, +64% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Time Spy: 17428 (+28% 2080Ti, +49% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Time Spy Extreme: 8548 (+38% 2080Ti, +59% 2080S )
3DMark Fire Strike Port Royal: 11455 (+45% 2080Ti, +64% 2080S )
4K in-game benchmarks. The card appears to be 48 to 62% faster than RTX 2080 SUPER:

Far Cry 5 +62%
Borderland 3 +56%
AC Odyssey +48%
Forza Horizon 4 +48%
And once again that lines up perfectly with the predicted 30%. Ignoring the RT ones, of course.

Edit. Remember, gaming performance will jump from the GDDR6X, too.



That was my card at stock, which was around 1800mhz IIRC

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I really hope that's not the graphics score as I got 36,578 with an overclocked 2080 Ti in that same test.
I remember when Maxwell released. The 980 was "twice as fast" as the 780Ti. It turned out that it absolutely wasn't, at all. Maybe 5% at best. However, it was twice as fast at one thing that had sod all to do with gaming, but every one ate it up as usual.

Maybe now you can see why I am so jaded. Not angry, as some would assume. Just jaded after many many years of smelling the BS.

Remember, if the 3080 really was twice as fast as a 2080 he would want paying for it. Sure there's a slight discount in there, but your true successor to the 2080Ti costs.... Wait for it..... The same !

Now sure, you will get a performance bump going from a 2080Ti to a 3080. There's no doubt. However, that performance bump may only be worth it at 4k, in certain scenarios. None of which I particularly care about.
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Old 10-09-20, 02:28 PM
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Someone just stated the obvious.

The 3080 is 30% faster and eats, you guessed it, 30% more power.

250w for the Ti, 320 for the 3080.
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Old 10-09-20, 08:57 PM
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But yes, at 4k the 3070 will be a farce.

BTW if you don't believe me.. I read an article yesterday about this new "doubling" of the CUDA cores. There's one issue with it. It needs a heavy workload to shine (like Turing) and it needs memory bandwidth. Otherwise? loads of those SMs sit doing nothing.

That doesn't bode well for the 3070 really. Especially given that its purpose is 4k. OK OK I hear you "No it's not etc". Well, take a read of what happens to those SMs at lower resolutions (IE why the XP, 2080Ti and so on were disappointing at lower resolutions). It's because those SMs need a work load, and there is no better way to do that than 4k. However, 8gb is not enough and neither is its bandwidth.
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I would seriously wait. Wait until you have the real facts.

Maybe you should apply your own logic.


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I'm waiting for all sides and all offical benchmarks by ttl and others on all the cards.

But there are some benchmarks getting leaked about the 3070 and it looks very on par with a 2080ti thou your right alien the 3080 is around 30-35% faster than a 2080ti.

I think it comes down to expectations, either for or against the viewpoint you don't know any better than anyone else until we see the factual benchmarks to KNOW.

I do expect navi to be good, but how good idk but i am hopeful if that gets crushed then so be it, but if navi on consoles is meant to be 4k 60/30fps then why wouldn't a 3070.

Something i've always felt in many things is you shouldn't judge the future from the past, times change and the past can tell a story and a lesson, but if learnt right the future is different to what you'd expect.

So until we know all we can do on all sides is speculate and chin wag about it.

My expectation for navi is that it will be mostly similar in performance as the 3000 series at least on the cards that matter but have more ram and come at a cheaper price with pretty solid DXR DX12 Ultimate. What really i feel is going to set them apart is the software stack cause the streaming app of the 3k series i feel is pretty dam nice not needing a green screen, but also DLSS. So AMD need to have made efforts in software areas to bolster against nvidia and i think the reason that AMD have been so quiet is they are not wanting to make the mistakes of the past by over promising.

I think the software side is the biggest issue they have, but if they can get the rest right then it's a viable option, it's at least the most intresting situation for a fair few years in GPU's and it's not just a node shrink it's a generational shift, but they are coming late to the party so imho they should have moved the announcements forward to at least let people know all the info it'll be lost sales without doubt and nvidia will sellout very fast.
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Old 10-09-20, 09:55 PM
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Maybe you should apply your own logic.
I already have. 8gb is not enough VRAM for 4k. Game over.

In fact, it was one of the weaknesses of the 2080 that Nvidia used to exploit people and bend benchmarks.
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