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Old 05-09-20, 08:42 PM
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I wouldn't count AMD as being out of the race yet. They RDNA 2 promises big gains, and 5000 series Navi was intentionally made to be small.

With the Xbox Series X seemingly delivering RTX 2080 Super performance (given already known Gears 5 settings/performance estimations from developers), I can see AMD definitely making something that can at least trade blows with the 3080. AMD can definitely do better than an Xbox Series X.

The question, in my mind, is if AMD can do better than that. Beyond that, they need an answer to DLSS. Without a competitor to DLSS, Nvidia has a key software win.
I believe AMD has a solution called AMD image sharpening, TechSpot showed off the implementation last year for Metro Exodus. From what I recall it was superior to dlss 1.0 but inferior to dlss 2.0.

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Old 05-09-20, 08:45 PM
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I'm guessing the same at the current one but released next summer or September. Depends on if they need to or not. Basically, if AMD is competitive on the high-end.
They will have 22 months on 7nm gpu node since Radeon V II at the time of launch ( Feb 2019 till this holiday season ). They have no choice but to be competitive from pressure from all sides including their own next gen consoles if they aren't powerful enough and Intel's Raga take at the gpu market!
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Old 05-09-20, 08:58 PM
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I just feel sorry for anyone who ordered the new Ampere cards from the get go, as I'm pretty sure Nvidia is going to screw them over, with better card offerings.
well im going to be getting one from day 1. Even though preorders are not possible. Im happy either way though as I get a good discount. But my days of always having the best are gone. If I get the 3090 and they release the super variant.. it won't phase me as much as it used to. The 3090 is still going to be insanely futureproof.

I'm still pondering to maintain my 7700k or jump ship to a new AMD.

Its almost a guarantee when sales slow down, nvidia will release a beefier series of cards. They have done it since the 700series days. I think actually it was the 700 series where they started doing this shady stuff with the release of the 780ti
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Old 05-09-20, 09:05 PM
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I believe AMD has a solution called AMD image sharpening, TechSpot showed off the implementation last year for Metro Exodus. From what I recall it was superior to dlss 1.0 but inferior to dlss 2.0.

"AMD I.S" is decent but it's no DLSS, Even less so on a technical level, You can achieve the same thing with a sharpening filter using SweetFX or Reshade, Ok "AMD I.S" is adaptive but compared to DLSS it's not very impressive and I say this as a 5700XT owner, AMD need a real solution to image upscaling and hopefully they'll end up integrating Microsoft's ML image upscaling which is just DLSS basically.



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well im going to be getting one from day 1. Even though pre-orders are not possible. Im happy either way though as I get a good discount. But my days of always having the best are gone. If I get the 3090 and they release the super variant.. it won't phase me as much as it used to. The 3090 is still going to be insanely futureproof.

I'm still pondering to maintain my 7700k or jump ship to a new AMD.

Its almost a guarantee when sales slow down, nvidia will release a beefier series of cards. They have done it since the 700series days. I think actually it was the 700 series where they started doing this shady stuff with the release of the 780ti

JayzTwoCents did a video recently showing a 3800XT and 10900K both being VERY close to eachother in terms of gaming performance, Sometimes on par on a 2080 Ti but even with both being the latest from both team red and team blue there were still bottlenecks going on caused by both CPU's, I expect this to be even greater once Ampere officially launches so I think it's time to retire the 7700K
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Old 06-09-20, 12:22 AM
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well im going to be getting one from day 1. Even though preorders are not possible. Im happy either way though as I get a good discount. But my days of always having the best are gone. If I get the 3090 and they release the super variant.. it won't phase me as much as it used to. The 3090 is still going to be insanely futureproof.

I'm still pondering to maintain my 7700k or jump ship to a new AMD.

Its almost a guarantee when sales slow down, nvidia will release a beefier series of cards. They have done it since the 700series days. I think actually it was the 700 series where they started doing this shady stuff with the release of the 780ti
If you do jump to AMD for your CPU just wait till the 4000 series launches at the end of the year as I think these are going to be some really nice chips
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Do AMD actually need to compete with the 3090? I know it helps to have a halo product but price/performance is still the main driver of sales at any price point in my opinion. And what is the actual market size for the 3090 compared to the 3070?
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Do AMD actually need to compete with the 3090? I know it helps to have a halo product but price/performance is still the main driver of sales at any price point in my opinion. And what is the actual market size for the 3090 compared to the 3070?
AMD need to compete in the 3070 and 3080 spaces, 3090 is for people with a lot of disposable income, But they need to at lower prices than the 3070 and 3080 and I say lower prices as Nvidia do have a hell of a lot of software integration with many many companies as well as a plethora of games, Many of which offer some really nifty options, Experiences etc...

AMD need to offer serious value to pull people away from a potential Nvidia purchase.
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AMD need to compete in the 3070 and 3080 spaces, 3090 is for people with a lot of disposable income, But they need to at lower prices than the 3070 and 3080 and I say lower prices as Nvidia do have a hell of a lot of software integration with many many companies as well as a plethora of games, Many of which offer some really nifty options, Experiences etc...

AMD need to offer serious value to pull people away from a potential Nvidia purchase.
Every single production system will have Nvidia GPU. AMD Just can't compete with CUDA and OptiX.

If AMD can offer equal or better performance for less money then they will sell some GPUs. Otherwise only diehard AMD fanboys will purchase AMD cards.

Nvidia now has RTX Global Ilumination SDK for easy implementation of RT in games, they have DLSS 2.0, and they will try to push it in as many games as they can.
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Old 06-09-20, 08:50 AM
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Every single production system will have Nvidia GPU. AMD Just can't compete with CUDA and OptiX.

If AMD can offer equal or better performance for less money then they will sell some GPUs. Otherwise only diehard AMD fanboys will purchase AMD cards.

Nvidia now has RTX Global Ilumination SDK for easy implementation of RT in games, they have DLSS 2.0, and they will try to push it in as many games as they can.

Exactly, Big Navi is going to have to seriously impress me, I have a chance at getting a 3090 next April'ish but that's still 7 months away, Between now and then I'd like a GPU upgrade, The 5700XT is decent but I need more GPU grunt and AMD's constant unstable crashing drivers is just getting annoying.
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Old 06-09-20, 11:34 AM
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If you do jump to AMD for your CPU just wait till the 4000 series launches at the end of the year as I think these are going to be some really nice chips
Thats my plan. However my first action is the 3090

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Every single production system will have Nvidia GPU. AMD Just can't compete with CUDA and OptiX.

If AMD can offer equal or better performance for less money then they will sell some GPUs. Otherwise only diehard AMD fanboys will purchase AMD cards.

Nvidia now has RTX Global Ilumination SDK for easy implementation of RT in games, they have DLSS 2.0, and they will try to push it in as many games as they can.
Nvidia dont have to push anything. These features are so good now, that Developers will be contacting Nvidia to get it added to their products.
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