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Old 10-01-19, 02:57 PM
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Focusing on the future can often be more valuable than focusing on the now. Just look at Zen.
When those things you have designed and planned for the future actually do something in the now then yes, it's a fantastic idea. However, pumping loads and loads of money into a GPU that is not being utilised properly or coded for exclusively results in the 7970/290X/FuryX/Vega. All of them very expensive to make, and very hot and guzzled power whilst not doing all of the things AMD planned.

At the same time Nvidia cut their die size in half or less, clocked the merry balls off of them (Kepler and on) and then sold them for far more money than they should have. And why? because AMD are making Fermi. And what is hilarious is that before they did all of that they made the 5870, which was a smash hit.

Like, if you take a Piledriver CPU *now*, like, right this minute and you overclock it and bench it? you basically have I7 920 IPC over 8 cores. Problem is that even after all of these years nothing is making use of them in gaming. Maybe a small handful of titles and certain levels in Crysis 3.

And now? it is hopefully outdated.

Zen is absolutely nothing like that at all, because the bottom line? it performs well, now, when you actually want it to. And that is why it is so damn good.

Vega is not good. You'll remember me saying (before that 7 logo was even shown) that if AMD knew what was good for them they would just give up and move on. But nope, looks like they are in it for the long run. Try and remember, this is RTG. The same RTG who played cloak and dagger with Vega and basically talked out of their a**es to sell it. "It looks great !. It's similar to a 1080Ti when you have a 60hz screen!" and so on. All of that crap that Lisa Su and the CPU department have not done.

Like I said before, RTG group needs a *huge* shake up, slaps, people getting fired etc. I wouldn't even mind if Vega offered anything truly good but it just doesn't. It's not very good at pretty much everything, not for the power it consumes or how much waste heat it dumps.

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Old 10-01-19, 04:18 PM
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Lisa Su still leads the whole of AMD and took direct control over RTG after Koduri left.
GCN has been very successful in a lot of different markets for over half a decade now(Almost certainly the most used GPU architecture for gaming in history thanks to its versatility), just not always a top-end contender, while the HD7970 wasn't fully utilised in software & drivers at launch that improved a lot during its lifespan on sale, giving it a ridiculously long shelf life. The HD7970 competed quite well against the GTX680 about 6 months in to their life and often firmly beat it in price/performance, same with 290X vs 780Ti, it's only really the HBM GPUs that haven't been well positioned for gaming, but they were well positioned for a lot of other things and laid down AMDs knowledge & research on interposers & stacking that allowed the creation of ThreadRipper, Epyc & Ryzen3000(And may eventually help them again in similar ways with GPUs once the technology matures further). Both Vega1 and presumably Vega2 come in at only about 50W more than the 2080, with even Vega1 comparing well in many compute applications. I think you could argue GCN has been a jack of all trades master of none architecture, but given the skeleton budget the AMD group had until Ryzen that's not too surprising.

FWIW you can still play most modern games on an FX8320 or up without it majorly bottlenecking any GPU you'd sensibly pair with it, it still holds up as strongly with the 3570 as it did a year or two after its launch, maybe abit better in DX12/Vulkan titles. The Tahiti cards hold similar positions, a HD7970 still beats an RX560/GTX1050Ti quite often and supports modern game APIs properly, you can't say the same for the original Titan or 600/700 series cards(Which also stopped receiving driver updates many years ago).
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Old 10-01-19, 06:54 PM
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Oh yeah you can still game on Piledriver. In fact it still meets the requirements on many games that Ivy Bridge doesn't. It just got hammered at the time by high IPC high clocked Sandy with 4 cores.

Because Intel were selling what we wanted, when we actually wanted it.

AMD need to stop being clairvoyant and get with reality, with things like Polaris. They don't need to be world beating just cheap,cheerful and obtainable.

People get confused a lot about exactly what cards fit into which resolution bracket. Polaris was more than good enough for any one on 1080p or even 1440p.

NVIDIA 1080 performance from a sub £250 GPU would be amazing. And they can do it, when they give up on their kitchen sink.
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