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Old 28-06-21, 08:50 PM
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Windows lost the plot

I think that Windows 10 was something to be avoided like the preverbial covid-19 but the next version will definitely be curtain call time for me. Linux here I come.

My main systems are both Windows 8.1 due to hating Windows 10 overly invasive need to gather as much information about the user as possible. The way they try to herd everyone into using a Micro$oft account is just so unnecessary...

Given Microsoft went thru the idiocy of merging the code trees for Desktop, Server and Mobile (great move!) I presume this camera lunacy will not be present on the server version. Who knows? Microsoft themselves seem to be a clueless bunch of jerks who have lost the plot entirely. Stop the windows bus please, I need to get off now

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Old 28-06-21, 09:18 PM
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Oh hell ******* no, not a chance in hell. Don't care what type of system it is, that kind of thing should always be optional. Given that they want cameras to fit a minimum spec as well tells me they'll use Azure to run some sort of facial recognition with this as well.
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Old 28-06-21, 10:29 PM
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Screw that. I hate the interface of Win11 anyways so this is just another nail in the coffin for WinBlows 11
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Old 28-06-21, 11:07 PM
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The online only and webcam are the stupidest ideas.

Tpm makes sense but also a stupid idea. But at least it made sense.

Only good news so far is the central taskbar is for tablet view only. Regular laptop/desktop is still the normal left. I'd take the central taskbar if it meant all the other dumb crap went away.


We just need Linux and really Proton to start taking off with gaming.
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Old 29-06-21, 07:17 AM
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First its Facebook throwing Ads inside VR games, now this.

Its really becoming the cyberpunk future with Corporations ruling, and products rammed down our throats at every turn in life, while privacy goes out the window.

Maybe CDPR were on to something. I best get my Samurai jacket and go on that rampage I was holding off on.

Speaking of which.

Nvidia has generated anger

https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nv...bloatware.html

Added ads and bloatware to latest Shield update.
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Old 29-06-21, 08:22 AM
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Good move by Microsoft. Laptops without a camera are annoying, even when, as in the case of some ASUS gaming laptops, they come with a USB camera. They're a minority of laptops anyway. I think it's better to just mandate that laptops should have a camera, which is what Microsoft is doing. I'm guessing it's giving OEMs a year and a half to adapt. Too much in my book, but okay.

The "OMG" attitude in the article and comments is baffling. I'm not sure who the audience of a laptop without a camera is. If these people care so much, they must also own phones without a camera, so yes, a big chunk of consumers. So those people who have phones without cameras, are Windows users who deliberately buy laptops without a camera, and can't be bothered to disable a camera or put a tape over it, well, I'm not sure what they'd do but I'm also not sure why it should matter to anyone.
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Old 29-06-21, 09:51 AM
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Good move by Microsoft. Laptops without a camera are annoying, even when, as in the case of some ASUS gaming laptops, they come with a USB camera. They're a minority of laptops anyway. I think it's better to just mandate that laptops should have a camera, which is what Microsoft is doing. I'm guessing it's giving OEMs a year and a half to adapt. Too much in my book, but okay.

The "OMG" attitude in the article and comments is baffling. I'm not sure who the audience of a laptop without a camera is. If these people care so much, they must also own phones without a camera, so yes, a big chunk of consumers. So those people who have phones without cameras, are Windows users who deliberately buy laptops without a camera, and can't be bothered to disable a camera or put a tape over it, well, I'm not sure what they'd do but I'm also not sure why it should matter to anyone.

A few companies have been caught turning camera and mics on and listening and watching users, I don;t know about you but that immensely creeps me out.
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Old 29-06-21, 10:41 AM
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Good move by Microsoft. Laptops without a camera are annoying, even when, as in the case of some ASUS gaming laptops, they come with a USB camera. They're a minority of laptops anyway. I think it's better to just mandate that laptops should have a camera, which is what Microsoft is doing. I'm guessing it's giving OEMs a year and a half to adapt. Too much in my book, but okay.

The "OMG" attitude in the article and comments is baffling. I'm not sure who the audience of a laptop without a camera is. If these people care so much, they must also own phones without a camera, so yes, a big chunk of consumers. So those people who have phones without cameras, are Windows users who deliberately buy laptops without a camera, and can't be bothered to disable a camera or put a tape over it, well, I'm not sure what they'd do but I'm also not sure why it should matter to anyone.
Im curious. Why are laptops without camera so annoying to you?

Im against the idea, simply because our company tech engineer led a presentation on how he was able to easily access a users camera at random in our room from pretty much the click of a button a few buttons and an elaborately designed phising mail, and showed us step by step how he did it.

Why should users pay extra on a laptop for a device they will never use? Its a bit argumentative I know, but the point stands. I would happily take a laptop without a camera over one with, especially if it reduced costs.

Why is it baffling to you that users want completely privacy from snooping? Do you know how many mainstream users in the world have accidentally left cameras on, or not known they switched it on , and realised they are still visible in their calls ?

And can't be bothered to disable a camera? How incredibly naive of you to think everyone has a talent for windows navigation and configuration

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A few companies have been caught turning camera and mics on and listening and watching users, I don;t know about you but that immensely creeps me out.
Our lead security team for the company led a talk on how easy it is to do that.
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Old 29-06-21, 09:10 PM
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well i believe it when it´s out...

you have to do this or you can´t do that.

there are a ton of things that made the rounds in the clickbait media when a new windows version was released and never were an issue in the end.

if this is only "recommended" for OEMs to get a "certified for windows 11" sticker.. who cares.


if win11 would not install on as system without webcams.... microsofts sure has done enough stupid things but why they would do this is beyond me.
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Old 30-06-21, 01:43 AM
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Im against the idea, simply because our company tech engineer led a presentation on how he was able to easily access a users camera at random in our room from pretty much the click of a button a few buttons and an elaborately designed phising mail, and showed us step by step how he did it.

Our lead security team for the company led a talk on how easy it is to do that.
Well anything is easy if you know how to do it. Doing a backflip is difficult if you don't know how to do it.
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