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Old 25-06-20, 09:07 PM
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Whatever man, let's see how they fare once released so you can move the goalposts again.

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Old 25-06-20, 10:23 PM
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Not like they were helping the performance of their laptops. The heatsinks aren't even touching the die on their Air lineup.
That is deliberate. People wanted thin and light. Only so much you can do. Even when Linus "fixed" the cooling it still would not use any more wattage.

The heat they run at is irrelevant then. Apple must be confident there won't be a crap ton of RMA, and people will keep buying their weak crap for lots of $.
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Old 25-06-20, 11:15 PM
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Whatever man, let's see how they fare once released so you can move the goalposts again.
Didn't move any goalposts. I merely stated what's true.
Your assumption that's it's just plain better with perf/watt without it even being released is moving a goalposts.

Why you are getting defensive when you asked us to check out your source is beyond me. I even agreed Apple's mobile chips are impressive for heaven's sake. I'm only stating it's apples to oranges and using that table as you said that is incomplete, to form an opinion on, is not really a good comparison. That's just counter intuitive to say a fact that's "clear" and at the same time admitting it's incomplete data.

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That is deliberate. People wanted thin and light. Only so much you can do. Even when Linus "fixed" the cooling it still would not use any more wattage.
It's obviously deliberate but other thin and light notebooks have similar cooling systems and the die touch. It just seems they are tanking it's performance so ARM looks better. But I mean ARM will eventually be better or even start better. Intel won't improve performance so it's not like ARM is in a running race, it's just passing what's been done since what 2014? Won't be to hard for Apple
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Old 25-06-20, 11:48 PM
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TBH Apple and performance has never ever gone hand in hand. They have always been woefully underpowered for the sake of looks.

They have never made a laptop that doesn't get completely spanked by an equivalently priced Windows laptop.

I have bought two Macs new in my lifetime. One was a Imac (98) because Windows 98 was terrible and needed reinstalling all of the time. When that is what you do for 10 hours a day the last thing you want is more when you get home. I just wanted a nice reliable machine to go on the net with.

I bought a lampshade G4 for Photoshop and other stuff back in about ooo, 03? something like that.

Other than that the only other mac I have ever had was a 13" air. And I got it cheap and sold it nearly two years later for what I paid for it. And that was literally for when I was moving and stuff and didn't have much access to a PC. Once it had fulfilled its purpose it too went.
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Im sure there is truth to all points but realistically, whats better. Buying an off the shelf part and working to make it work and fix issues as they go or build something bespoke that does exactly what you want it to?
No doubt seeing as its Apple, money is involved somehow, on the point of money you can also understand, anyone who has any idea of computing hardware asks, why am I paying so much more for an apple PC with essentially the same components as a windows based system?
This takes this away and Apple is free to charge whatever the hell they want without these sort of comparisons.
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Old 30-06-20, 05:04 AM
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i wonder how much research will go into security exploits on these new apple cpus
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