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Old 10-10-17, 12:04 PM
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I like those ones. I can't remember what they're called. It's like describing those new white Corsair RGB RAM sticks as 'pretty ugly'.

Edit: Is it oxymoron?
It is yes.

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Old 10-10-17, 04:57 PM
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I like those ones. I can't remember what they're called. It's like describing those new white Corsair RGB RAM sticks as 'pretty ugly'.

Edit: Is it oxymoron?
Yes it is. long story short is another example
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Old 11-10-17, 07:37 AM
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Quote...My 7700 clocks at 4.9 stable with 1.26V

Astonishing chip. Massively jealous.
Yeah, it is by far the best I have ever had. I don't think I will upgrade for quite some years to come actually. Never had success like this before and far surpasses my volt vs clock on my 2500k.
3570k and 4790k i had were terrible overclockers for me, and that is the only reason why I did upgrade albeit not much gain in performance.

3rd times a charm as they say.

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Yes it is. long story short is another example
Actually I don't think that qualifies as an oxymoron. It's when you put two words together that dont go together, or contradict like a compressed paradox. e.g long recess, little giant, liquid metal, etc

My favourite one I hear that makes me want to slap the person is when they say "we are alone together now" #cringe

I'm seriously funny today right?
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Old 14-10-17, 06:50 PM
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Regarding the new socket explanation I would like to add this:

Asus Interview: Andrew Wu (ROG Motherboard PM)

Source: Bit-Tech


"Prior to the launch of Intel's Z370, Asus invited us to its UK offices to get a taste of the new motherboard range and to help us understand how it would be marketing its four main motherboard brands now (ROG, Strix, TUF, and Prime)."



"We also had the opportunity to sit down and chat with Andrew Wu, product manager for ROG motherboards at Asus. We want to extend a special thanks to Andrew for putting up with us and our questions; he was battling a sore throat induced by too many back-to-back presentations but was cordial and patient nonetheless. Thanks, Andrew!"


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bit-tech: Can you go into more technical detail about why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards?
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Andrew: Actually, it depends on Intel’s decision.

bit-tech: So it’s not a physical limitation? Intel said it was to do with power delivery.

Andrew: Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much.

bit-tech: So what are they referring to – the 20 or so unused pins from before?

Andrew: Yes.

bit-tech: So if you wanted and Intel let you, you could make Z270 compatible?

Andrew: Yes, but you also require an upgrade from the ME [Management Engine] and a BIOS update. Intel somehow has locked the compatibility.

bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?

Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.[*]
[*8-core Coffee Lake-S or perhaps Ice Lake-S?]

Source link: https://www.bit-tech.net/features/te...herboard-pm/1/
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[*8-core Coffee Lake-S or perhaps Ice Lake-S?]

Source link: https://www.bit-tech.net/features/te...herboard-pm/1/
But isn't Z390 going to be for the 8-core CPUs?
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But isn't Z390 going to be for the 8-core CPUs?
I see no reason why 8C parts wouldn't work on Z370. Z390 is more about bringing new features to the chipset than anything else.
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I see no reason why 8C parts wouldn't work on Z370. Z390 is more about bringing new features to the chipset than anything else.
OK, that makes sense. So it's sensible in that case for Coffee Lake to be on a new motherboard if the new motherboard power management features are absolutely essential for the 8-core parts. While the 6-core parts could work on Z270, the 8-core parts won't, so Intel's thought process is to just start fresh now.

Or they could just give consumers the choice to stick with Z270 for Coffee Lake and then force them to upgrade if they want an 8-core.
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Or they could just give consumers the choice to stick with Z270 for Coffee Lake and then force them to upgrade if they want an 8-core.
Yeah but they won't will they?

8 phases is enough for 8 core CPUs. My old Crosshair FZ was 8+2 and coped admirably with a 250w (when OC) CPU. Most Z270 boards are 8 phase.

Knowing Intel Z390 will have the 8 core and they will want people to upgrade again.

Mind you, tbh any one who upgrades their CPU that often really needs to have a word with themselves any way. Even *I* upgrade every two years (that's the soonest) and usually 3-4.
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3-4 years is enough for a CPU, yeah, unless you're heavily dependant on your CPU in your job. I'll probably be upgrading my 1600X within two years because the 1600X is not quite the CPU I want and I know AMD will deliver what I want if given enough time, but once I have that CPU I can't see myself upgrading for a long time again. The 8700K is pretty close to the perfect CPU, and Z370 is a nice platform, but I'd rather play the waiting game with AMD than the money game with Intel.
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OK, that makes sense. So it's sensible in that case for Coffee Lake to be on a new motherboard if the new motherboard power management features are absolutely essential for the 8-core parts. While the 6-core parts could work on Z270, the 8-core parts won't, so Intel's thought process is to just start fresh now.
That's what I'm thinking as well. Two CPU families/iterations per chipset as per usual.

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Mind you, tbh any one who upgrades their CPU that often really needs to have a word with themselves any way. Even *I* upgrade every two years (that's the soonest) and usually 3-4.
Well some like to play with new stuff which is fair enough. Personally I only upgrade my CPU out of neccesity, albeit something broke or I need more grunt. So not that often: Pentium 4 HT > E6600 > Q6600 > 2600K > 6600K > 8700K > Tiger Lake-S/Sapphire Rapid(?).
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