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Old 10-06-19, 02:47 PM
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There was some info a week or two ago for an AMD 16 core engineering sample with 64MB of L3 cache and 8MB of L2 cache by Bryan of Tech YES City.

https://youtu.be/MkO4R10WNUM

In that video HWiNFO reported about 250W package power at 4.1GHz while running CBR15 MT.






Frequency was increased to 4.25GHz with about a 150mV increase in core voltage according to CPU-Z which may possibly indicate poor scaling at these clocks for this particular chip. Note also the large difference in reported VID.



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Old 10-06-19, 03:51 PM
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but you will buy it anyway because you WANT it :P

If it's not expensive then yes as I love little gadgets like that, The ROG spotlight for example, Only cost me £10 but adds a big ROG eye onto the wall
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Old 12-06-19, 05:46 AM
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So the X570 mobos are going to be pretty expensive, The ROG Crosshair Formula is going to cost as much as the 16 core 3950X, £630, I hope these prices are wrong as that is insane especially considering even the Intel focused board Asus ROG Maximus XI Formula which also has a waterblock cost £400, I know they have PCI-E 4.0 but £630 ?!?!?!?

https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/a...a-horror-story

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A reliable source based in Taiwan shared with us the price-list of upcoming AMD Ryzen 3000 X570 chipset motherboards by leading manufacturer ASUS. These MSRP prices in U.S. Dollars paint a grim picture of these boards being significantly pricier than previous-generation motherboards based on the AMD X470 chipset. We already got hints of AMD X570 motherboards being pricey when MSI CEO Charles Chiang, who is known for not mincing his words in public, made it clear that the industry is no longer seeing AMD as a value-alternative second-fiddle brand to Intel, and that AMD will use its performance leadership to command premium pricing for these motherboards, even though across generations, pricing of AMD processors are going to remain flat. The Ryzen 7 3700X, for example, is launching at exactly the same $329 launch price as the Ryzen 7 2700X.

Even MSI CEO Chiang's statement couldn't prepare us for the prices we're seeing for the ASUS motherboard lineup. The cheapest AMD X570 motherboard from ASUS is the Prime X570-P, which is priced at USD $159.99. Its slightly bolstered twin, the TUF Gaming X570-Plus will go for $169.99. A variant of this exact board with integrated Wi-Fi 6 will be priced at $184.99. This is where things get crazy. The Prime X570-Pro, which is the spiritual-successor of the $150 Prime X470-Pro, will command a whopping $249.99 price-tag, or a $100 (66 percent) increase! The cheapest ROG (Republic of Gamers) product, the ROG Strix X570-F Gaming, will ship with an HEDT-like $299.99 price. This is where the supposed "high-end" segment begins.



The ROG Strix X570-E Gaming is a slightly spruced-up Strix-F, with a handful more connectivity options, and an extra M.2 slot. This board will be priced at $329.99. And we're still with the "tier-two" ROG Strix family. The ROG Crosshair VIII Hero is what you'd want for the premium ROG experience, and a premium CPU VRM solution. This board is priced at $359.99, over $100 more than the Crosshair VII Hero. Need Wi-Fi? Pull out another Jackson for the $379.99 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi, which comes with 802.11ax WLAN.

Record-seeking OC wizards who want to push the Ryzen 9-series processors, such as the $749 Ryzen 9 3950X to their limits, will have to spend almost the same amount of money on the motherboard, with the ROG Crosshair VIII Formula, which at $699.99, is pricier than even certain ROG Rampage Extreme products from Intel's HEDT platform. In all, AMD, like any for-profit company on the planet, wants to monetize its performance-leadership over Intel to the fullest.

The reasons for these price increases could be many, besides AMD simply wanting to turn its performance leadership into cash. For one, the AMD X570 chipset is a big and hot (~15W TDP) piece of silicon AMD designed in-house, with a large PCI-Express gen 4.0 switching fabric, and more downstream connectivity than the ASMedia-sourced X470 "Promontory." This chipset needs a much more capable cooling solution than what the X470 needed, including in many cases, an active fan-heatsink. AMD has also dialed up the electrical and physical requirements, with a stronger CPU VRM specification, possibly more than four PCB layers for improved memory wiring, and external PCI-Express gen 4.0 re-driver and lane segmentation components that could be expensive on account of being new.

To most PC buyers, though, there are alternatives within AMD. As we mentioned earlier, processor pricing over generations hasn't increased. The 3700X is priced on par with the launch price of the 2700X it succeeds, and the Ryzen 5 3600 is being launched at the same $199 as the Ryzen 5 2600. You can very much do pair these processors with motherboards based on the older AMD X470 and B450 chipset motherboards, which are stocked up plenty in the market, are priced reasonably, and a majority of models support the USB BIOS Flashback feature, letting you update their UEFI firmware to the latest versions that add 3rd generation Ryzen support, without needing to borrow an older Ryzen chip from a friend. You lose out on PCI-Express gen 4.0 and additional M.2 slots, but that's a compromise you'll have to make. Consider the low-power 400-series chipsets not needing fan-heatsinks to be a sweetener.
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Old 12-06-19, 07:44 AM
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Premium features require premium prices. It's not surprising.

Just keep your x370/470 boards
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Old 12-06-19, 09:29 AM
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If that is true, I would say X570 won't sell that well compared to X470, especially in the top end.
However, I would refute this:
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That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid. Unless building the chipset is REALLY that expensive. All it'll do is push enthusiasts towards Intel. I've grabbed my tinfoil hat for this but I think it's the motherboard manufacturers and 'other' third parties are doing it deliberately for this very reason
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Old 12-06-19, 10:58 AM
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If that is true, I would say X570 won't sell that well compared to X470, especially in the top end.
However, I would refute this:

That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid. Unless building the chipset is REALLY that expensive. All it'll do is push enthusiasts towards Intel. I've grabbed my tinfoil hat for this but I think it's the motherboard manufacturers and 'other' third parties are doing it deliberately for this very reason
AMD could step in and add a proviso to cap the MRRP.
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Old 12-06-19, 11:36 AM
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It's worth remembering that profit cuts are usually done in percentage terms, so items that cost more to make have larger profit margins, this is done in a business sense to protect from and reward for the increased risks of creating and storing and attempting to sell more expensive products. Basically, if the cost of components for the board was around the standard 33% of the final sale price, say 50USD for a 150USD board, and the cost of those components went from 50USD to 100USD, realistically a company would need to charge 300USD final sale price instead of 150USD to maintain the same margins, because all the other elements in the chain take their cut in percentage of final sale/item value too (Suppliers, distributors, retailers, ect).

So essentially, any change in BOM cost usually gets amplified several fold in final sale price, so even if the absolute cost difference is quite small, if all the parts before were exceptionally cheap then the percentage rise is high, leading to a large increase in MSRP pushed from the marketing & finance end of the business to avoid margins shrinking. And it seems there's little doubt motherboards currently have lucrative margins they'd want to maintain, given how many companies can churn so many out, the upfront cost must have been exceptionally low already.
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Old 12-06-19, 07:24 PM
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That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid.
Huh, AMD is still a corporation like any else. If they've got the upper hand in performance they'll milk it. Them not having an upper hand to milk for a while made people forget?
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Old 13-06-19, 01:13 AM
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Division2 is getting a movie adaptation and coming to netflix

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-division...-with-netflix/
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