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Old 07-07-19, 08:45 PM
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First off, Thanks for a great review Tom, much appreciated.

The NVMe results were especially interesting on the Hero Vii - (wondering if AMD / Asus have allowed PCIe 4.0 to run from the CPU on the Crosshair Vii at least).

Memory writes are nothing to write home about on the single chiplet 3700X and my 2700X on a CH H Vii gives them a good smacking even at 3200 (albeit at C14 ) so you've made me buy a dual chiplet 3900X

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Old 08-07-19, 06:31 AM
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@TTL, top reviews matey Also, defo impressed that your testing x470 alongside x570
Lets just hope the binning on the 3950x gets us to at least 4.5ghz !!
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Old 08-07-19, 08:17 AM
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Really great review. I was a bit concerned if memory speeds would be seriously affected by the X470 boards, but seems all good for reasonable levels.

Considering I'm looking at the more budget friendly 3600x, I think a nice x470 board might be the perfect pairing.
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Old 08-07-19, 09:41 AM
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Thanks Very Much to the OC3D team for awesome reviews of these products and what you found out about the SSD's is stunning!!!
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Old 08-07-19, 11:48 AM
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While impressive gains and amazing 'content' scores are had, I feel the gaming scores are quickly overlooked in the conclusion. For us that are not hardcore content creators, just about any CPU does the job expect for gaming. This is really the only place where we benefit from something special.



Looking at the 9900K and the 3900X, we have similar costs but Intel still comes out on top.


For the gaming benchmark, setting 3900x FPS performance at 100%, Intel scores (non-OC values, since Intel OC results are not included) ;
110,2%
106,1%
107,9%
121,3%


For an average of 111,4% or 11,4% more FPS than AMD.
This from a CPU that is 3/4 of a year old.
I assume the difference will be less with higher resolutions, so too bad 1440p is not included.



Again, awesome gains. And power/heat is just a lost battle for Intel - but if you want the best gaming rig - or just most FPS for your $500 then Intel is still the way to go as far as I can see. Speculating that more cores will be handy down the line is still just that, speculation.
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Old 08-07-19, 12:06 PM
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While impressive gains and amazing 'content' scores are had, I feel the gaming scores are quickly overlooked in the conclusion. For us that are not hardcore content creators, just about any CPU does the job expect for gaming. This is really the only place where we benefit from something special.



Looking at the 9900K and the 3900X, we have similar costs but Intel still comes out on top.


For the gaming benchmark, setting 3900x FPS performance at 100%, Intel scores (non-OC values, since Intel OC results are not included) ;
110,2%
106,1%
107,9%
121,3%


For an average of 111,4% or 11,4% more FPS than AMD.
This from a CPU that is 3/4 of a year old.
I assume the difference will be less with higher resolutions, so too bad 1440p is not included.



Again, awesome gains. And power/heat is just a lost battle for Intel - but if you want the best gaming rig - or just most FPS for your $500 then Intel is still the way to go as far as I can see. Speculating that more cores will be handy down the line is still just that, speculation.
All of these game were chosen specifically because they were CPU limited, and showcased good scaling with core counts and single-threaded performance or highlighted shortcomings with older Ryzen processors.

Basically, we didn't want to test any games which would showcase no differences between these CPUs.
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Old 08-07-19, 12:09 PM
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This review and a fair few others shows the OC'd 3700X as very slightly faster than the OC'd 3900X for pure gaming across most titles, while indeed those reviews that show 4K and 1440p gaming or more GPU bound titles often show parity with the Intel parts there. So personally I think you'd conclude for a pure gaming system, your best option would be to buy a 3700X and spend the money you save on a beefier GPU, as these gains would significantly outdo the 1-8% gains of the Intel 8-core over the AMD 8-core in rare heavily CPU bound instances as the CPU still has a high enough throughput to avoid bottlenecking any modern top end GPU and this would deliver large gains in essentially every instance.
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Old 08-07-19, 04:06 PM
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All of these game were chosen specifically because they were CPU limited, and showcased good scaling with core counts and single-threaded performance or highlighted shortcomings with older Ryzen processors.

Basically, we didn't want to test any games which would showcase no differences between these CPUs.

And that makes perfect sense. Thanks for replying and also thanks for an awesome review.



@tgrech You suggestion "only" makes sense with a limited budget. Most have that limitation obviously, however many are also able to get the best consumer product (or used to, until 20xx series) for CPU and GPU. In those cases, it would be best to stick with Intel (and, unfortunately, Nvidia).


It was the same case back when I build my 6700K / 1080ti system - I could have gotten more bang for the buck - or "good" performance for less - but there is something to be said about a system with top components :-)
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Old 08-07-19, 04:29 PM
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And that makes perfect sense. Thanks for replying and also thanks for an awesome review.
All thanks should go to Tom. He did all the work. I just game him some game suggestions.
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Old 08-07-19, 07:22 PM
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loved the review and a big thanks to TTL and the team cause there was sure a lot of work done in the background .
It all looks promising for AMD in the present/near future and long may they keep poking Intel in the side .

as for me i'm staying Intel as there is no point for my uses upgrading/changing platforms anytime soon
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