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Old 24-12-17, 02:51 AM
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To be frank I am really getting fed up reading anything about intels future plans as the company have been total a*******s with their very slow uptake of tech.

It took a near bankrupt AMD to release Threadripper and Ryzen to force intel to release anything interesting for the desktop.

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Old 24-12-17, 05:56 PM
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There is considerable discussion with the Electrical Engineering community about whether GAAFET is all its cracked up to be.

http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/stamp/sta...number=7890390
Interesting read. It will be interesting to see how things develop. Samsung currently has GAAFETs on their roadmap, though as you said it remains to be seen how well GAAFETs will perform compared to FinFETs. By definition, we receive diminishing returns by surrounding more of the cover the channel, similar to adding more bits to a single channel in NAND (SLC-MLC-TLC-QLC etc).
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Old 24-12-17, 08:06 PM
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Interesting read. It will be interesting to see how things develop. Samsung currently has GAAFETs on their roadmap, though as you said it remains to be seen how well GAAFETs will perform compared to FinFETs. By definition, we receive diminishing returns by surrounding more of the cover the channel, similar to adding more bits to a single channel in NAND (SLC-MLC-TLC-QLC etc).
here is another interesting read written by Scotten Jones for SemiWiki. It compares and details the 7nm process used by Global Foundries and the 10nm process used by Intel. It would appear the GloFo has erased the deficit it had in relations to Intel and is now running with the Big Dogs in the Semiconductor Foundrie Business.

https://www.semiwiki.com/forum/conte...ampaign=buffer
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Old 25-12-17, 02:03 PM
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It's debatable whether Intel even still has the process lead at the moment(Since 14nm they've suddenly changed their decades old policies of releasing technical data and now only release marketing mumbojumbo which gives no clear idea how well their process' are actually performing). Intels 14nm has had a very rocky ride with insiders reporting it's still only recently become economically equivalent to their 22nm parts due to the dismal yields(Which explains why Intel has kept producing and selling 22nm CPUs in emerging markets despite the claims to 14nm's economic benefits). Lets not forget, unlike every previous node, 14nm only got a paper launch with extremely low volume small die mobile parts that wern't actually in shipping hardware till at least 6 months after their "launch".

10nm is already several years behind schedule and by Intels own accounts so far unable to perform equivalently to their already flawed 14nm, with Intel still planning 14nm product launches till the end of 2018(Whiskey lake is a 2018-H2 part based on 14nm). I think it's safe to say unless the other fabs hit some significant walls, Intel has firmly lost the process lead. It'll be hard to say 100% given they now refuse to release any real technical data for their CPUs, but the lack of information alone should speak volumes(Pun not intended).

(I won't release paywalled information given the moral issues of such an action, but SemiAccurate have a few articles on this piece with plenty of info available for free access. So far, SA have never got any information or leak wrong, they have a very reliable array of moles in the industry and a long proven track record. Many of us in the industry or entering the industry use them to get around the press rubbish that usually litters tech sites. Their articles and leaks have often forced Intel to back track on their ridiculous marketing claims.)- https://semiaccurate.com/2017/12/20/...-10nm-process/
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Old 27-12-17, 06:05 AM
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40% higher frequency? thats sounds like a lot?
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