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Old 15-09-13, 06:26 PM
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So this afternoon I was really, really bored and I was to a friend about the next-gen consoles. She wants to buy a PC, but has also pre-ordered the Xbox one. I tried to convince to get the PC first, so she could play online with some of her other friends and me, without going too much jehova on her.

Obviously the specs of the new consoles sound pretty exciting, 8 cores and 8GB RAM seems pretty nice. The average user probably doesn't know that the CPU is pretty much a phone processor. Not a very high clocked one either.

So the challenge I gave myself, and I recommend all of you to try it, was this:
Come up with a mid-range game PC config that has similar specs to the next-gen consoles while out-performing them and costing the same or less.

This means that the PC should have 8 cores (or an i5 at minimum), 8GB RAM, plenty of storage and all of that. Peripherals and an OS are not included.


My Console Killer:

As the Xbox costs €500,- in the Netherlands, that was the maximum budget for me. Needing 8 cores, the only wise choice would be to get the FX-8320. No aftermarket cooler for now, it would be too expensive. For those actually wanting to buy this I'd recommend going that bit over budget or saving up for one as quickly as you can.

Wanting 8GB of RAM, I went with a Crucial 2x4GB kit. At 1600MHz this is an average kit but higher speeds were out of the budget. The very very cheap MSI 760GM-P23 has 2 RAM slots, so that's a perfect fit. This does mean that you can't upgrade the RAM by simply adding more, but then again, you can't do this with a console either.

The motherboard offers plenty of USB 2 and Sata ports and has a PCI-E 16x slot for a GPU. For the GPU I wanted something mid-range. Getting an AMD GPU (like in the consoles) I quickly came to the conclusion that the MSI HD 7850 OC 2GB would be perfect.

An SSD was out of the question for a budget build, but I did manage to toss in a 1TB Caviar Blue . At 7200RPM and with 64MB Cache this is a pretty quick drive for the money. As we also need a DVD drive I went with a generic LG DVD Burner.

Finally, it's all put into the Fractal Design Core 1000. This case is about as cheap as can be and offers sufficient cooling for our components. Yes, it's a fair bit bigger than a console, but it offers room for upgrades as well. To power the whole thing I went with the non-modular Corsair CX500.



The price? €498,41! Seems like I did pretty well. Now all of you can try it! You can use any webshop you like. Come up with something that you would recommend over a console while even someone that knows nothing about specs could understand that the PC is faster! It's quite a fun challenge imo

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Old 15-09-13, 06:37 PM
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The thing is if you were really on a budget why not buy a sandybridge and then spend the money elsewhere. Its not like the old sandys are bad processors and they are great overclockers so why not.
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Old 15-09-13, 07:06 PM
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Here is my "Console Killer" In the UK the Xbox One costs £429.99. I over spent slightly.

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Old 15-09-13, 07:40 PM
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This task is harder than it seems......

You have to bare in mind that someone buying a console, will get the whole package (unit, controller/s, leads and possibly a game or two).
Chances are that they already have a TV to play on.

With a PC, you need to quote the 8 standard parts and a Windows Licence, keyboard, mouse, speakers(?) and a monitor, if the TV cant support it.

but I'm with the rest of us saying that PC is definitely the way to go......even the little extra spend is definitely worth it

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BTW, two great builds I see here, especially for the money
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Old 15-09-13, 07:44 PM
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Obviously the specs of the new consoles sound pretty exciting, 8 cores and 8GB RAM seems pretty nice. The average user probably doesn't know that the CPU is pretty much a phone processor. Not a very high clocked one either.
This is quite an exaggeration. No CPU in a phone has 8 cores. Very few have quads and even then are designed for mobile uses and not intensive applications. Also clocked lower to...

Nice build. IMO it would be on par with the PS4, more or less the same. Then again the simplicity of the console will still be far better since many people have no idea how to use a PC properly.. Which IMO is just sad considering they have been around for 60+years.
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Old 15-09-13, 08:01 PM
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This is quite an exaggeration. No CPU in a phone has 8 cores. Very few have quads and even then are designed for mobile uses and not intensive applications. Also clocked lower to...

Nice build. IMO it would be on par with the PS4, more or less the same. Then again the simplicity of the console will still be far better since many people have no idea how to use a PC properly.. Which IMO is just sad considering they have been around for 60+years.
Yes, of course I was exaggerating, but we all know the CPU power of those consoles don't really come close to any proper desktop CPU. Even if it was the exact same architecture as, let's say, the 8320 it would still be clocked at ~45%.

And ehmm... They may not be true octa cores with all cores dedicated for processing, but 8 core phone CPUs do exist. I think there are 2 or 3 out there right now:
http://www.samsung.com/global/busine...ucts5octa.html

Thanks! I'm afraid you are right. I must admit that yes, a console is easier to set-up and use, but then a PC does so much more than just gaming. Most people that have a console have like a £300-400 PC or laptop anyway for their schoolwork and/or browsing.

@Mathius, which is why most people probably already own some form of monitor and other peripherals. Besides, pretty much any TV can support a PC via HDMI nowadays so it reaaly /shouldn't/ be a concern. I guess it is in some cases though.

I always recommend to buy Windows. Don't be a pirate and such and bla bla, we all know that a LOT of people pirate Windows, especially those on budgets. I definitely do not recommend it and my Windows is 100% legal, it just happens a lot.

You can always split the costs when you buy 3 licenses and there are also websites with special deals for students. On top of that, the £50 Windows 8 upgrade DVD can also be used to do a clean install, which is... semi-legal?

Nice spec-list, Terrifictez!
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Old 15-09-13, 08:18 PM
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All i read from those links were quad core cpus. lol

Don't need to be clocked as high anyway. Power consumption actually matters in consoles.. we all know in desktops for amd it doesn't Besides they are more optimized which helps for the difference in clocks(obviously only so much but still).
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Old 16-09-13, 09:35 AM
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BUT the + with consoles is you need to put in an HDMI lead, the power cable and your good to go. PC's, you have to build it all, then bang your head against the wall because there is always small problems happening with PC's, you need to upgrade the components constantly so over the course of eight years, to play the latest games at max graphics (which is what makes a PC a PC) costs thousands...the console guys have it good.
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Old 16-09-13, 11:57 AM
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personally I'd have gone for a 6300 and slightly more improved 'card/aftermarket cooler. I'm not saying the 8320 isn't a bad choice and I know the next gen of consoles have 8 cores but the 6300 is still a decent little chip for gaming and does really well with games that support multiple cores.

Still, as everyone says, these builds are excellent budget performers .
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Old 16-09-13, 12:50 PM
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personally I'd have gone for a 6300 and slightly more improved 'card/aftermarket cooler. I'm not saying the 8320 isn't a bad choice and I know the next gen of consoles have 8 cores but the 6300 is still a decent little chip for gaming and does really well with games that support multiple cores.

Still, as everyone says, these builds are excellent budget performers .
i have to agree with Barnsley on this the fx 6300 or 6350 are great cpus for the money.
lets not forget that both consoles have 8 cores but 2 of them are dedicated to only the os and other background features. which means the xbox one and ps4 are using 6 cores for gaming.
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