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Old 11-07-18, 01:57 PM
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Spectre 1.1 and 1.2 vulnerabilities discovered on Intel processors

ARM and AMD may also be affected.



Read more about Spectre 1.1 and 1.2.

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Old 11-07-18, 02:57 PM
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I just love seeing how Intel, whom been the top dog for ages, now gets in the backside. These are things that should’ve been dealt with years ago.
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Old 11-07-18, 11:58 PM
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I just love seeing how Intel, whom been the top dog for ages, now gets in the backside. These are things that should’ve been dealt with years ago.
To say these exploits should have been dealt with years ago is a fairly naive statement.
The way these exploits function was not even thought possible until recently, they rely on complex interactions between systems that individually.

In other words hindsight's a bi#ch
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Old 12-07-18, 12:38 AM
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To say these exploits should have been dealt with years ago is a fairly naive statement.
The way these exploits function was not even thought possible until recently, they rely on complex interactions between systems that individually.

In other words hindsight's a bi#ch
Why is it naive though? I’m not a fan boy at all, but Intel has been doing processors for decades. They’ve been designing them from the ground up and manufacturing them.

And yes, only recently have these exploits been ”revealed”. Then how come most exploits are affected on Intel CPUs and not as much on AMD (from what I’ve read so far anyway)?... As AMD’s Ryzen is a completely new architecture, hence Intel kept using almost the same for years.

So I don’t believe it’s hindsight, I’m pretty sure Intel was aware of this. Only like any other company, kept quiet about it untill it came to the surface. This isn’t anything new when it comes to business.

Not to mention Intel’s customer treatment, which in my eyes have been bad. Although not that I could care any less about this to be honest with you, since this stuff is way out of my knowledge.

So overall, in my opinion, they are getting what they deserve here.
And I’m glad I went AMD.
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Old 12-07-18, 12:44 AM
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It's naive because the flaws in the security is based on something that is inherently apart of the way CPUs are designed and have been for decades. So these flaws are being subjected to very specific attacks. Since they are both brand new exploits that will take years to fix and as we have seen before fixes reduce performance. So it's going to take a lot of engineering to get it right.
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Old 12-07-18, 12:50 AM
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It's naive because the flaws in the security is based on something that is inherently apart of the way CPUs are designed and have been for decades. So these flaws are being subjected to very specific attacks. Since they are both brand new exploits that will take years to fix and as we have seen before fixes reduce performance. So it's going to take a lot of engineering to get it right.
I’m gonna be honest here, I did not understand what you just wrote mate ...
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Old 12-07-18, 05:21 AM
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I’m gonna be honest here, I did not understand what you just wrote mate ...
The exploits function by exploiting some of the optimisations that have been implemented in cpus for years, multi threading and pre-fetch.

The way that they do this is incredibly specific and relies on some pretty brilliant computer science on the part of the hackers.

Intel is more affected partly by bad luck, partly by the fact that they have a more aggressive pre-fetch system, and partly because they were slightly negligent in how they isolated their internal systems from one another.

To have seen this coming they would have had to be trying to exploit it themselves

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when i say for years, i mean decades
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Old 12-07-18, 06:26 AM
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I’m gonna be honest here, I did not understand what you just wrote mate ...
In a few years there will likely be some big Ryzen vulnerabilities found that AMD had no clue existed, As much as I want to blame Intel for this, This is something they couldn't really have seen coming unless they had a crystal ball, But now that they know of these vulnerabilities I'm guessing Intel will have teams dedicated to finding vulnerabilities and fixing them before the CPU's are let out to the general public.

In a way it's a good thing this happened.
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It's like Windows vs OS X. A lot of people think that OS X is more secure.
That's not the case, there are more on Windows simply because a hacker goes where the biggest potential is, and more Windows PC = Higher impact from a virus, or higher "payout" from a cryptolocker.
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Old 12-07-18, 11:31 PM
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It's like Windows vs OS X. A lot of people think that OS X is more secure.
That's not the case, there are more on Windows simply because a hacker goes where the biggest potential is, and more Windows PC = Higher impact from a virus, or higher "payout" from a cryptolocker.
Sorry but i would say that comparison is fundamentally incorrect
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