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robbiec 25-08-17 11:34 PM

Project "Cry Baby"
 
My current Lian-Li has served me well for the best part of 10 years. Ditto the FX8350 which has been in there working tirelessly for about 4 or 5 years at 4.8Ghz. Time to move on.

Budget will be around the €2000 mark spread over 5 months. My want is a TR4 platform setup but my need is probably AM4 so we will find out over the next few months whether or not head rules heart or not.

Power - The heart and soul of the system: I will start as always with what is going to power the system and I decided on a be quiet Dark Power P11 850W. But Seasonic is better or SuperFlower is better still and you can control a Corsair RXi - yeah probably but I have used be quiet Dark Power for the last 7 / 8 years in my own builds and the few that I have been persuaded to do for family and friends and they are all still running... and they are quiet, as in mouse fart in a church quiet and by in large I like to support UK / EU design where possible.

Case is next up. I have had a Lian-Li A70B for about 10 years now and it was a great case for its day but that day has moved on. I want something easy to use, big and heavy enough so that my 2 year old daughter can't knock it over and fit all the stuff I want into it - like rads, fans, fan controllers, pumps, drives and a graphic card or two. Case Labs I hear you say.. See my budget I answer, yep Caselabs are probably the Rolls Royce of cases but once they leave America their prices go nuts. Lian-Li don't have anything in their range that I like and I won't touch the Thermaltake rip offs. I ended up picking the Phanteks Enthoo Primo as successor to the Lian-Li. All black, not as well built as a Lian-Li it has to be said (in fact I get a USSR vibe to some of the fit and finish in some parts) but for a watercooler or someone who has stuff to pack into a case then the Primo has some very nice intelligent solutions.

Cooling - EK is my go to man for waterblocks since I swapped out my original Asetek many moons ago. I still have an original supreme up in the attic somewhere :) I generally plumb for the Acetal finish, I like dark and foreboding.. I have a EK Supremacy (non EVO) and I have ordered the AM4 upgrade set to cover all bases. Pumps will be DDCs but modded with the DIYHKINK Toshiba chipset which gives more power but also PWM control, these will be mounted on an EK Dual DDC V2 top which in turn has the discontinued adaptor to allow an EK Res to be fitted. My EK RES is 250mm.
I will run an EK EX240 rad at the bottom, picked because it has ports either side of the chambers, this will allow be to plumb in a drain setup easily and I have an XSPC RX360 V2 which will take over the top duties. Fans will be Noiseblocker PL2 (1400rpm) which have served me well for the last few years.

Pics or it never happened:

Old build - Lian-Li A70B

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Lia...6_110749-M.jpg

Some of the new arrivals:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_224653-M.jpg

Bit of be quiet unboxing:

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225209-M.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225227-M.jpg

Swanky accessory and cable box
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225448-M.jpg

Looks a bit lost in there
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_230510-M.jpg

One of the reasons I like be quiet - the mad stuff you get for free. These thumbscrews are the business and they throw in an extra one just in case
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_230446-M.jpg

Opening up the Primo:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225011-M.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225023-M.jpg

https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...5_225049-M.jpg

My first thought was WTF. What on earth are all these for? admittedly there are 5 fans already installed and a hub and some LED cables but I do need to strip this down completely and find out what is going on here. The hub will be useful in that I think I can power or control it from my Aquaero or perhaps even both, the Aquaero has 4 x 2.5A (30W) fan headers and I can use one of these to power the Phanteks hub which in turn can drive 6 /12 fans and use the Aquaero for PWM control also I think (I need to experiment and find out how to hook them up)

Other bits and pieces:

DDC pump controller upgrade:
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...ZCF-0-X5-M.jpg

Aquacomputer Aquaero 6LT
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...rnB-0-X5-M.jpg

Sundry fittings for loop
https://photos.smugmug.com/Other/Cry...6_005749-L.jpg

So that is where I am at the moment, I have just unboxed the Primo and PSU, cooling is sorted in my head and I have 32GB of Samsung B-die memory, a Sumsung 950Pro 500GB M.2 card and 2 x Toshiba 4TB drives. I don't know if I am doing it backwards or not in that I am sorting the power, casing, cooling first before getting that bits that will need powering and cooling but it allows me to have a good hard think about fitting and routing etc, etc.

AlienALX 26-08-17 08:43 AM

If you go with the Crosshair you can use your old AM3 block. That should save you a few bob like. Looking forward to seeing how this works out :)

robbiec 04-10-18 12:55 PM

Head ruled heart and got into AM4 with an Ryzen 7 2700+
This arrived yesterday :)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1936/...2d07c389_b.jpg

robbiec 04-10-18 12:58 PM

Build begins tomorrow with the following bits of kit
Enthoo Primo case
AMD Ryzen 2700+
AMD RX Vega 64
GSkill TridentZ 3200 14s 2 x 8GB
Asus Prime X470Pro
be Quiet Dark Power 11 850W
Samsung 950 Pro 500GB nvme (Primary)
AMD StoreMI setup consisting of
Samsung 970 EVO 250GB and Toshiba X300 4TB + another X300 on the way
Cooling as follows:
Aquaero 6
Aquacomputer D5 + integrated res
XSPC RX V3 360mm
EK 240mm (fat one)
EK Velocity (AMD Acetal + RGB)
EK FC Vega with RGB
10 x Noiseblocker PL2s
3 x Phanteks 140mm
Steelseries 7G keyboard
Steelseries Sensei mouse
Dell UltraSharp 2516D (2K but 99% AdobeRgb for photo work)
Full set of CH Products Hotas hanging off for Flightsim duty + Elite Dangerous) and a mid range Logitech FF steering wheel for rallying and F1 duties. Oh and a Track IR and a Canon Pixma Pro 100 for a bit of printing.

So an All AMD build which I believe is something of a rarity these days :)

robbiec 05-10-18 08:09 PM

I kicked off rebuild this morning at about 11 stopping at 4 to pick up our toddler from creche at 4.

To begin it looked like this:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/...15e51737_b.jpg

2700X hidden under a wraith prism rgb and a standard Vega 64 in standard config. Tidy enough considering that there is an Aquaero 6LT hidden on the reverse of the panel on the right and it is fully hooked up.

Next to throw some bits and bobs at it
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1956/...9dfbc078_b.jpg

and from a previous incarnation:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1946/...c6cfe990_b.jpg

XSPC 360 RX V3.0 and an EK XE240 which will be fitted with Noiseblocker PL2s (push / pull)

Old EK and New EK
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1925/...3c3a13ca_b.jpg

EK FC Vega 64 with standard Acetal top + the RGB upgrade version.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1963/...188fba78_b.jpg

Converted from Acetal to RGB
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1967/...5648fcaf_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/...c36512f8_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/...31f64f3f_b.jpg

Now to offer up a Vega 64!
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1971/...422e7302_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1945/...913b88d6_b.jpg

A bit of cleaning later and we have this..
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1975/...15693b7c_b.jpg

About an hour later faffing about with thermal pads and I have a newly suited Vega 64
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/...327c873c_b.jpg

Found some rust on the chokes underneath the power supply area. Looks like the previous block was rubbing and took the paint off.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1913/...3d391bd0_b.jpg

Betraying my age probably here but on the left an Original EK Supreme, in the middle the EK Supremacy (non-Evo) and the latest edition EK Velocity
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1963/...e08a55c7_b.jpg

Rad Time | The EK XE240 will be on the bottom because it has 4 inlet / outlets of which 1 will be used as the drain. I have just about enough room to feed the tube through the rad mount.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1901/...bec4d63a_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1961/...e19a03d7_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1929/...62e5c05a_b.jpg

Blocks fitted and a test / support tube fitted
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1950/...03e9c8fa_b.jpg

Bottom rad fitted and getting suited up with some fans
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1931/...43919418_b.jpg

I'm trying out Alphacool fittings this time round, replacing a mix of XSPC and some no name jobbies. First impressions are pretty good.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1950/...03e9c8fa_b.jpg

And the EK Velocity matches nicely with the Asus Prime decor.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1972/...a2e81f6d_b.jpg

Finally figured out pump placement. I had bought Aquacomputer's D5 bracket which is the most unusable piece of design I've come across in a long time, so ditched that and I've mounted the D5 directly to the case at a very slight angle to miss the Vega64.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1970/...38765024_b.jpg

WYP 06-10-18 10:22 AM

Nice work. Loving this build log!

tinytomlogan 06-10-18 11:49 AM

Cant beat a proper build log! Kudos dude!

robbiec 06-10-18 12:33 PM

@WYP & @tinytomlogan Thanks a million for stopping by and giving some encouragement. And I need it :) because it pee'd on the floor last night...

PC Mayhems Ultra pee
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1949/...02ab0c9f_c.jpg

Once everyone had gone to bed I had the kitchen back to myself so shifted everything back down (I had to put everything away out of sight - the little one is 2 3/4s and into everything) and was banging my head against the wall as to where to mount the pump with the Aquacomputer mount which is the weirdest thing going.

So at about 2am I had this after starting at 11 (I'm slow I know but its so relaxing pottering about putting a bit here and changing your mind and shifting it about) - Oh and the 140 fan is loose because I need to fill the res.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1955/...2e1d028d_b.jpg

So pump into 240 to 360 to CPU to GPU back to RES / Pump

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1949/...1c0e5ccc_b.jpg

I had begun to fill it but it was about 2:30 when I heard the "what the hell are you doing?, do you know what time it is?" from the Mrs so I packed up

Couple of things to note, while pondering pump fitment I stole the hot swap bay from my Lian-Li and once I find the screws to mount the drives it will be staying so that is an addition. The EK Coolstream XE rad is a good little job but it does have a flaw and that flaw is the recessed G1/4 holes so either use proprietary EK fittings (I presume) or you're into that land of extenders. I suspect that is where my issue is. I am using a Alphacool 90 deg fitting without an extender and probably have not secured the seal properly on the drain pipe as mentioned yesterday.

robbiec 06-10-18 03:55 PM

Another little update with loads of pics. I am dumping the EK Coolstream XE 240, just don't have any trust in it anymore.

Removed from case, went straight to where I thought the leak might be and its as dry as a bone.
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1909/...16045359_b.jpg

There is definitely a leak as shown when I started to take the fans off
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1968/...8d42539d_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1957/...5718c5bc_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1944/...b4f5d957_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1967/...bd6615ac_b.jpg

My next thought was that maybe I had screwed into the rad itself attaching the fans? Nada, each was clear.

There is another blanking plate in place and on removing it, a suspiciously squashed O-ring presented itself
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1939/...f63c6b49_b.jpg

Put it back and gave it the sink test with a bit of Dual DDC pressure to wake it up and sure enough
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1970/...54567f5e_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1940/...8e712263_b.jpg

Sooo what to do..
Luckily another trip to the attic and root around found me this
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1955/...cd8cb2a5_b.jpg

A fat Mayhems 240 rad :) and onwards we go. Might get some more time later to have a go and will post up.

robbiec 07-10-18 08:15 AM

Anyone know of a good guide to tune up my Vega? Idling at 25C and maxing out at 55C

Looks like this:
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1973/...58ac3d1b_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1911/...4c001074_b.jpg

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1938/...27af387b_b.jpg

Build casualty
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1977/...0b1ab30c_b.jpg

Never showed you where I fitted the Aquaero 6 LT
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1932/...15d9c866_b.jpg

OCD Meltdown :)
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1967/...f6a20d51_b.jpg

Settling in for the night - bubbles working through
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1933/...0ac2d9ce_b.jpg


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