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Dicehunter 18-02-19 05:19 AM

The NHS Is Going Downhill
So my dad had a stent in around 2 years ago due to artery plaque, Got a completely clean bill of health after that but the doctor had him on double the dose of blood pressure pills up until that point, It was only when he switched doctor that they found artery plaque which was quickly sorted out but due to the over dosing of blood pressure pills it gave him severe vertigo, His old doctor was apparently known as the banker, Loved doling pills out to people that didn't need it.

Anyway he's been to the hospital to see his new doctor a few times which is a different doctor each time and he cannot get help with this vertigo problem which has also had another side effect of giving him irregular heartbeats, A few days ago a Jordanian doctor said to him and I quote -

"Well I can't do anything but if you go 3 doors down the hall and pay 1500 to that private company you can get sorted out within 5 minutes"

Which left both of us gob smacked, I did ask why she couldn't do anything and I was just met with -


Then she just walked off.

It seems to be getting worse by the day and many doctors are trying to make a push for privatisation which will see them get even more money with the not so well off being left out in the cold, Completely immoral.

My dad has just decided to go back to hospital to have a check-up as his heartbeat is becoming irregular again, Which is down to the over medication he previously experienced.

I think in the next year or so I'm going to get myself and my dad out of England, It's only getting worse.


Warchild 18-02-19 07:24 AM

Pretty sure she can't answer why without sacrificing her career. It would be like lawyers giving you short cuts or loop holes around the law. If they are caught doing that, they are screwed.

However, I know how it is. My father was induced into a coma due to bad heart. first doctor with nickname dr Doom n gloom said he would never pull through. Reason being is because the doctor had him over medicated and a cocaine wrap heavily padded in his nose to help stop the blood that wouldnt clot.

Next doctor came along pulled a solution out of the air in 10mins. And dropped his medication by 75% over 2 weeks. so he drifted in and out of conciousness. 3 weeks later he was fully concious and perving at the nurses like normal.

Unfortunately the high medication he was put on did the damage and ruined his liver. So it came down to a continued medication but destruction of the liver, or his heart producing too much water meaning a heart attack :(

That doctor should never have been allowed near my father. His solution was to medicate and move on to the next victim. I'm glad they pull in foreign doctors who care and want to help. The useless one was English. But the one who got my father out of his coma was fresh from Iran. One of the nicest doctors I have come across, and even sat with my brother playing a nintendo DS with him while my mother stood over my dad.

tgrech 18-02-19 10:33 AM

To be fair all modern research here shows the vast majority of UK doctors, particularly younger doctors(I think you're junior for the first 7 years on the job or something) firmly oppose privatisation particularly because it incentives this phenomenon we see alot in places like America where some doctors can essentially just become useless pill pushers incentivised by money rather than actually helping people. I guess it's not rocket science to see that privatisation of public services that exist primarily to benefit the population(And therefore longer term productivity/output of the nation) turns the reliant users into short term customers/cash-sources that are milked in ways that completely destroys the point the service exists for(And does significant long term damage not just to peoples lives but therefore the nation & economy too).

But obviously, thanks to corrupt politicians who have spent the last decade chopping up public services and selling them to their friends/family, or cutting them down until they can justify letting their friends company take over the contracts, which we've seen time and time again here recently, as well as those ideologically blinded politicians who genuinely think the private sector can do a better job of healthcare even as they consistently f up and we can easily see the mess America is in from it, we're now in a situation where if a slightly dodgy or older medical professional in certain areas wants to easily earn more money with slightly iffy practices they now can do much easier.

Obviously, we've gone through half a decade of some of the UKs largest and widest spread protests regarding NHS privatisation and its effects, particularly the effects of the age old Tory tactic whenever it wants to justifying the privatisation of public services(Cut its financing to the bone, claims it's broken and inefficient, then spend several time more on tax breaks for private companies to come in and "fix" it, like with British Rail, who were world leaders in rail engineering pre-cuts). Yet there are still some even amongst the British public who were convinced by right wing publications into dismissing the protests as being about pay or income, so the chances we'll start moving in the right direction when the man who led all this rubbish is now foreign secretary is wishful thinking I guess.

WillSK 18-02-19 11:02 AM

There's a huge lack of efficiency within the NHS and some serious lack of common sense.

There are some amazing and talented people working in our NHS from all over the globe that do an amazing job with the resources they have. Then there are top tier management who do F all but because of how hard it is to let people go legally they stay there sucking up resources and time.

Then you have ridiculous things like the contracts about where certain things can be bought i.e. sterile gloves. sure you can buy sterile glvoes online for pennies but because of contracts in place NHS pays potentially 5 times more for the same product and this applies to a lot of stuff.

Then you have lack of efficiencies in the buying teams. Instead of buying million pound MRI machines from one supplier for multiple hospitals and negotiating savings, each hospital "district" can't remember the proper name will buy them on a case by case basis.

I don't want privatisation but I do wish there was more business sense and better contracts negotiated

Warchild 18-02-19 11:18 AM

yeah but when NHS can accept being over charged for a box of tablets. The same box that is provided in your local Tesco, you know that the top tier are out of touch with reality.

That wasn't an exaggeration either. what costs the consumer 23p for a packet of cheap paracetamol at your local store, it costs NHS 4.00 to give you the same. Then we wonder why they have no money...


I still blame NHS for allowing this to happen but if we stopped asking for free handouts, then things might turn around. 31million wasted in free tablets. Think how many extra nurses that could fund?

AlienALX 18-02-19 11:30 AM

I would like to spend an hour typing this but don't have the time. In short my SIL has Lupus and needed an op done.

Three times they gave her a date, then called her on the morning and said they couldn't fit her in (that's cruelty, that). She finally went in and now she's in intensive care :(

Had they done it when they said this would not have happened. Mostly because she had a bit of a cold but didn't tell them because she wanted it over and done with after all of the messing around.

tgrech 18-02-19 11:34 AM

To be fair, the NHS is still by far one of the most efficient health services in the world, still costing us significantly less while generally performing much better than the services across many European countries including France, Germany, Sweden or Switzerland, but of course things have started to slip over the last 10 years.

It's worth noting that those numbers are absolute chicken feed compared to the cost of some essential medicines, big pharma really has the NHS by the balls and the issues caused by the cost of medicine, particularly branded/patented medicines is very much a global issue, of course this is besides the fact outside of Scotland we do mostly pay for the prescription costs ourselves for most items.

But yeah, the issues of snowballing costs from cases like those above are a big part of this slip in efficiency, short term attempts to save money through cuts or reduced capacity of services end up costing people, and the service, far far more in the long run than if the service was just funded properly from the start. Most attempts at finding efficiencies so far have just led to creating much larger inefficiencies.

AlienALX 18-02-19 11:38 AM

Down here by the sea? NHS is amazing. Go to the cities? different story.

Don't get me started on the mental health system down here though.... The tories seem to think you don't need one.

Warchild 18-02-19 12:05 PM

NHS quality is good overall. Everyone can pull up bad issues at some point in their life. There are doctors who are proficient in their field but lack the social communication with the patient and families. The issue is funding and how your government is squeezing it dry. I say "your" because I dont live there anymore.

I'm still disgusted that Paramedics are no longer recognised as such and are not considered support drivers...

tgrech 18-02-19 02:51 PM


I just saw this article and while I know the source isn't the best out there, given they're quoting other people here I think that can slide, but I guess this kind of stuff is another part at play here, there isn't a lot of solid answers for many illness' and people hold a lot of strong views about what works and what doesn't on areas where research isn't conclusive, and it's hard to avoid possible overcaution when dealing with other peoples lives.


Alfie's mother Hannah Deacon called the legislation a 'catastrophic failure' and has even heard of a patient's doctor saying he will 'be sacked if he writes a prescription'.

A professor of neurological rehabilitation has called the situation 'appalling' and blames 'overcautious guidelines' for preventing NHS doctors prescribing the now-legal medication.
or to get down to the less emotive but more logical causes:

Medicinal cannabis is currently unlicensed so doctors can prescribe it only if a patient has a need that can't be met by licensed medicines.

Under the new rule, GPs are not allowed to prescribe cannabis-derived medicines. It has to be a specialist consultant, for example in neurology or paediatrics.

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