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Rickeyhb 20-10-17 07:25 AM

Asus Z270E - Options for more than 2 x M.2 drives?
 
My motherboard is https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...pecifications/

Expansion Slots
2 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x16 or dual x8)
1 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (x4 mode)
4 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x1

I only have 1 GPU and wont buy a 2nd.

Currently I have only 1 Samsung 960 EVO NVME M.2 but I am soon going to buy one more which will take up the last free spot on the motherboard. (depending on my expansion options it'll be a 500gb or 1tb.)

So in the future what's my options for installing more m.2 drives ?

Can I use this one from Asus which seems far superior to any other:
https://www.asus.com/Motherboard-Acc...CARD/overview/

What about this one: (I don't know the brand and its crazy expensive)
http://amfeltec.com/products/pci-exp...2-ssd-modules/

Can I use smaller expansion cards like:
https://www.asus.com/nz/Motherboard-..._X4_MINI_CARD/
https://www.amazon.com/SilverStone-T...dp/B01798WOJ0/

I am trying to find the highest amount of m.2 drives I can cram into my PCIe lanes without lowering the sequential read/write speeds 3,200/1,900 MB/sec for each drive.

I have really been trying to figure this out by myself but I am still new in this world of wonders.

What's my options ?

S_I_N 21-10-17 03:50 AM

its simple m.2's NVME use chipset pci lanes. Anything you plus into a pcie slot on your mobo (x16,x8,x4) use cpu lanes. Using 2 NVMe m.2 in the m.2 headers will disable certain sata ports (normally 5/6) Using pcie slots doesnt but diminishes an already low cpu pcie output.

now all that said your cpu (assuming 7700K) only has 16 pcie lanes available. So adding a pcie slotted ssd will lower your gpu from x16 to x8 to give the pcie ssd some lanes.

now that said again lol your better off just populating one or both m.2 slots and adding normal ssd's cause in real world usage a good ssd is enough. The only place you'll see your 3200/1900 MB/sec read/write speeds are in benchmarks. They make almost no noticeable difference in everyday uses.

Rickeyhb 21-10-17 10:18 AM

Damn is that how it works, that sucks.

Yes CPU is 7700K, then what the hell is the purpose of having multiple pcie lanes if you can't use more than one x16.

So the only way to use more pcie lanes is to buy a better CPU?

What if I were to use something differently in the pcie lanes? Like a sound card?

AlienALX 21-10-17 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickeyhb (Post 961691)
Damn is that how it works, that sucks.

Yes CPU is 7700K, then what the hell is the purpose of having multiple pcie lanes if you can't use more than one x16.

Go ask Intel. I would imagine if they were to honestly reply they would say "because it saves us money".

Keep what you have for a while, then go Ryzen 1700 or 1700x or wait for the next gen Ryzen. You get a crapload of PCIE lanes on AMD.

S_I_N 21-10-17 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rickeyhb (Post 961691)
Damn is that how it works, that sucks.

Yes CPU is 7700K, then what the hell is the purpose of having multiple pcie lanes if you can't use more than one x16.

So the only way to use more pcie lanes is to buy a better CPU?

What if I were to use something differently in the pcie lanes? Like a sound card?

Yes it does

You can use more than one pcie device it just knocks down the first to x8

You have the best cpu fir that platform already

Sound card or anything plugged in does the same itís shared lanes

Like I said there is no need to have super high speed m.2 on every drive in you system the only place you will see those speed are in benchmarks. Real world apps do not benefit from that speed.
Youíll see in my dig I have 2 m.2ís in raid0 total waste as no real world advantage outside their small and I have a larger partition which fir me makes more sense. My other drives are a 1Tb evo 1Tb sshd 4Tb purple drive and 8Tb barracuda, so 3 of my drives are spinners and I suffer no bad loading times or performance issues as each drive serves its intended purpose. I recently re-installed windows and redid all my drives moving uplay my currently most used gaming app to my m.2 in hopes of lessening the load times in The Division. Uplay was formerly on my 1TB Samsung 850 Evo. I was disappointed nothing changed.

So again I recommend outside of as AlienALXís suggestion of going Ryzen fir their pcie advantage. Just get you some ssdís and call it a day.

Rickeyhb 23-10-17 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlienALX (Post 961701)
[...]Keep what you have for a while, then go Ryzen 1700 or 1700x or wait for the next gen Ryzen. You get a crapload of PCIE lanes on AMD.


Yeah might go AMD for next gen build. But this one will have to do for the next couple of years I think :)


Quote:

Originally Posted by S_I_N (Post 961705)
[...]You can use more than one pcie device it just knocks down the first to x8[...]

Like I said there is no need to have super high speed m.2 on every drive in you system the only place you will see those speed are in benchmarks. Real world apps do not benefit from that speed.
Youíll see in my dig I have 2 m.2ís in raid0 total waste as no real world advantage outside their small and I have a larger partition which fir me makes more sense. My other drives are a 1Tb evo 1Tb sshd 4Tb purple drive and 8Tb barracuda, so 3 of my drives are spinners and I suffer no bad loading times or performance issues as each drive serves its intended purpose. I recently re-installed windows and redid all my drives moving uplay my currently most used gaming app to my m.2 in hopes of lessening the load times in The Division. Uplay was formerly on my 1TB Samsung 850 Evo. I was disappointed nothing changed.

So again I recommend outside of as AlienALXís suggestion of going Ryzen fir their pcie advantage. Just get you some ssdís and call it a day.

I still want the crazy fast speeds even though they might not make the biggest difference.

I saw a test by GamersNexus https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/2...impact-on-gpus which indicates that the games only suffer a 1% performance drop when gpu use x8 insted of x16.

But I don't think I am able to use the x16 card from Asus as it is using VROC, which as far as I can read only exists on the x299 motherboards?

How much of an impact do you think I will get on my GPU if I were to expand with the Asus HYPER_M2_X4_MINI_CARD ? is it the same? as in the GPU is still decreased to x8 or will it only be decreased by x4 so to a total of x12 ? (I don't know how it works)

S_I_N 23-10-17 12:25 PM

It’s only x16 or x8 nothing in between. Look at it this way how much storage do you need??? You may get away with just a couple large m.2’s.

Your correct the drop to x8 is marginal at best. Simply because you want blazing fast storage speed that will never be utilized if it’s that important again grab a couple large 2TB m.2’s. For me and I think most others I’d rather have that extra FPS. Also if you look at the MSI Z270 Gaming it has 3 m.2 slots on it.

Rickeyhb 23-10-17 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_I_N (Post 961796)
Itís only x16 or x8 nothing in between.

Okay thats also what I thought. :)

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_I_N (Post 961796)
Look at it this way how much storage do you need??? You may get away with just a couple large m.2ís.

Well not that much, Could have been fine with 2-3Tb. But I am using one m.2 slot with a 500gb and buying the 1TB for the other.

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_I_N (Post 961796)
Your correct the drop to x8 is marginal at best. Simply because you want blazing fast storage speed that will never be utilized if itís that important again grab a couple large 2TB m.2ís. For me and I think most others Iíd rather have that extra FPS. Also if you look at the MSI Z270 Gaming it has 3 m.2 slots on it.

So the performance drop of my GPU is the same whether I use another x16 PCIe lane or only use an x4 ?

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_I_N (Post 961796)
Also if you look at the MSI Z270 Gaming it has 3 m.2 slots on it.

How is that possible? wouldn't that cause the same slow down as if I were to use another x4 on my motherboard?

On the other hand.... If I were to buy a 2.5 ssd I am thinking of buying the Samsung 850 EVO

S_I_N 23-10-17 01:35 PM

yes using any of the pcie slots will drop top to x8 no way around that for the described wants.

its possible because they wanted to add a third slot. I'm sure it diminishes the available sata ports if all 3 are populated.

If this were my build (COST NO OPTION) and I had to have super fast speeds on storage I wont really see or feel. I'd get the MSI board and 3 2TB Samsung 960's and call it a day. I'd probably even get stupider and raid the 3 for shi(r)ts and giggles and because I CAN.

Rickeyhb 23-10-17 02:00 PM

yeah that's probably how they did it.

If cost wasn't a part of my concern I would have created an entirely different build xD
but it still is.

For now I think I'll stick with the two 960EVO's.

Thanks for the comments S_I_N.


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