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Destro521 21-01-13 11:17 AM

Am i getting the best for my 2400 AUD?
 
This build will be custom made in Australia i cant go over 2400$.
I just wish australia didnt have such high Hardware prices.
The build i am going with is:

CPU: i7 3770k 333$

Motherboard: Maximus V Formula 359$

GPU:Asus ROG Matrix Platinum 7970 599$

Cpu cooler: Hyper 212 Evo (i want to get something better but im including a 23" monitor and keyboard in my build which costs 200-300$ for both of them)

Audio: Built in 7.1 surround on the MVF using Tritton 720s(Already had them)

PSU: XFX core 750W 80Plus Bronze 120$

OS Drive: Silicon power v30 120gb SSD
HDD: 2tb seagate barracuda

Wireless: Tp-Link wn951n pci adapter

OS: Windows 8 OEM

Keyboard: either razer deathstalker or logitech g110

Monitor Acer s230hl 23" LED full HD monitor

Im trying to decide between a HAF X, CM StormStryker, Switch 810 or a NZXT Phantom 820

Is there any problems with my build?
I have spent a good 150+ hours reading reviews and watching The OC3D reviews which are great informative reviews.
I just need to make sure im getting the best for my money even if its australia's high priced hardware haha :D

jamesriley94 21-01-13 11:26 AM

What's this going to be used for?

You're wasting a lot of money on the graphics card and the motherboard.
Money saved from that could buy you a better CPU cooler, such as an H100i.

I'd also suggest a different power supply - one that's fully modular maybe, like a Corsair AX760, or Silverstone Strider.

Destro521 21-01-13 11:30 AM

it is going to be used for Gamedevelopement
3D modelling and rendering
and Gaming and overclocking

And i need it to last me a while so i dont have to add money on to my 15000$ uni bill

jamesriley94 21-01-13 11:33 AM

I'd switch to an MSI Z77 mPower or GD65.
Then save money on the graphics card and get the standard DCII 7970 or a different brand.

Look up the review of the 7970 Matrix - it's just a waste of money.

Destro521 21-01-13 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamesriley94 (Post 606051)
I'd switch to an MSI Z77 mPower or GD65.
Then save money on the graphics card and get the standard DCII 7970 or a different brand.

Look up the review of the 7970 Matrix - it's just a waste of money.

I have watched the OC3D review of the 7970 matrix and have read alot more from different websites.
The OC3D review is one of the only reviews that view it as a waste whereas some say the card is awesome and worth the money
so its making me indesisive about it.

Also i forgot to mention the site im picking teh stuff from deosnt have that much choice such as no direct CU II 7970 and no MSI Mpower which is quite dissapointing
And i really wanted the MSI MPower aswell :(

jamesriley94 21-01-13 11:44 AM

Are there no other sites you can use?

Destro521 21-01-13 11:52 AM

Places like PCcasegear have the same prices and with substantial shipping fees on top of that :(
i can send them an email and they will include the msi mpower in the build though i just dont know if its better than the MVF

Master&Puppet 21-01-13 02:12 PM

The z77 boards all perform very similarly. You will get the same performance out of a MSI-GD55 as you will the most expensive board on the market!

I'd also just get a standard 7970 (with 3rd party cooler) - all you have to do is move the sliders to the right in CCC and you'll be at/near the same performance as the Matrix for a lot less.

Destro521 21-01-13 02:47 PM

would 2 660 direct cu OC be worth the money even that is a saving of 81$
or should i just get a 680 SC or something?
The gene is just over 100$ cheaper at 224 instead of 359 but that cuts out SLI deosnt it?
i like the features of the MVF and would be using them often.
im just unsure because of the fact that multiple reviews say its good and some say it isnt worth the price. Same goes for the 7970 matrix platinum

Feronix 21-01-13 02:59 PM

Imo; Get either a GTX 670 or a regular 7970 (not the ROG stuff)

Truth is that you're paying a lot more than necessary for ROG stuff. Like mentioned before; swap out the mainboard for an MSI Z77 Mpower or a GD-65.

Don't SLI lower end cards when you can have a single card solution. Single card is always better for temps

Destro521 21-01-13 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feronix (Post 606158)
Imo; Get either a GTX 670 or a regular 7970 (not the ROG stuff)

Truth is that you're paying a lot more than necessary for ROG stuff. Like mentioned before; swap out the mainboard for an MSI Z77 Mpower or a GD-65.

Don't SLI lower end cards when you can have a single card solution. Single card is always better for temps

which one is better the MSI Mpower or the gd65?
I am getting it custom built from this site so it will be difficault because they dont get MSI graphics cards and other msi branded stuff :(http://www.ple.com.au/

Feronix 21-01-13 04:09 PM

You're right, they don't have MSI! The noobs :o

Anyway, this is what I would recommend you:

Asus P8Z77-V Pro:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=508

3770k:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=450

RAM - 8GB 1866MHz:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=627
You could also get 16GB but I just chose the cheaper option. You can always add more later :)

H100i:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=444

GTX 670:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=259

Went with the 670 FTW as its performance is near 680 and the webshop doesn't seem to have 7970s besides the overpriced ROG one and an XFX one with a horrible cooler :p Also, the CUDA can come in handy when rendering.

It's just a suggestion. Btw, I noticed that in the OP you hadn't selected RAM yet?

Destro521 21-01-13 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feronix (Post 606198)
You're right, they don't have MSI! The noobs :o

Anyway, this is what I would recommend you:

Asus P8Z77-V Pro:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=508

3770k:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=450

RAM - 8GB 1866MHz:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=627
You could also get 16GB but I just chose the cheaper option. You can always add more later :)

H100i:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=444

GTX 670:
http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=259

Went with the 670 FTW as its performance is near 680 and the webshop doesn't seem to have 7970s besides the overpriced ROG one and an XFX one with a horrible cooler :p Also, the CUDA can come in handy when rendering.

It's just a suggestion. Btw, I noticed that in the OP you hadn't selected RAM yet?

i bloody new i forgot to add that into the post haha, i was going to go with the geIL 16gb 2x8gb @ 1600 MHz

the thing i like the most about the formula are the features it has and the overclocking ability.

But i key thing i havent fully decided on is the case :(
i have 220$ for the case so its either the HAF X, the Storm Stryker or any of teh other ones

And i have to say The Orca looks simply magnificent :)
It was one of the key things that brought me to the stryker

My friends that i go to school with ( Year 12) will always try to find faults in my parts choice which is one of the reasons i have spent so much time looking around forums and reviewers.

Not to mention there all Nvidia Fanboys :rolleyes: haha
Another concern is the pending future release of the amd 8000 series and nvidia counterparts.

This desktop is going to be the big step from laptop ( alienware m17x r3 :o ) to 2400$ desktop because dells upgrades for graphics are crazy overpriced the australian 7970m upgrade would have cost 1400$ which is around 980 british pounds:eek:

The reason i am going with PLE is because they are just 20 mins away and better than another place that offers a 100$ premium on all parts which is BS in my opinion

Another reason for going high spec is because i beta test ALOT of games (currently testing 5 games)
so it would be nice to be able to comment on optimisation and such other things haha

I am looking to OC on air cooling because i have not used a desktop in years and also have never watercooled

Feronix 21-01-13 04:56 PM

Well, the Asus is a decent overclocker as well! Especially cause you save so much on the board that you can buy an H100i for cooling which helps a lot. Don't forget that overclocking often depends on wether you have a good CPU chip or not. You can get lucky and get an easy 4.8 without any issues, but you can also have terrible luck and get a chip that struggles past 4.2

Other than that, it has all the features like SLI / Crossfire X, 8 Sata ports, Virtu MVP and most other things that the ROG board has. The only thing is that the onboard sound is not as good, but tbh even the ROGs onboard sound is not amazing. If you want good quality audio, then get a sound card!

I personally think that the HAF X is ugly as F and also a bit useless after the Storm Trooper and Stryker came out :p Switch 810 is pretty good as well, but truth is that these are all full towers and you're not going for a full watercooling loop, nor an E-ATX or XL-ATX mainboard. A regular ATX board will look kind of funny in a full tower, so I'd suggest something like a Corsair 650D or 600T.

I'm personally not much of the fanboy type, but I just figured that this card would be the best bang for your buck at that store considering the lack of proper 7970 cards. You also mentioned that you wanted to do rendering, and that's where Nvidia's CUDA can help you out a bit :)

If you weren't rendering (much), I'd suggest an i5 3570k as an i7 barely helps in games and you save yourself more money. I can understand that you want a pc that's faster than your friend's, but imo there's a difference between having a proper rig and just going on a spending spree, thus paying for hardware that you don't really need.

In the end, it's your money and the decision is all up to you! :)

Destro521 21-01-13 05:13 PM

ill have to think for a while now because with the h100i it comes down to 2355 with everything else the same

MrShinyPig 21-01-13 06:25 PM

Razer are overpriced, personally i would chose a mechanical keyboard from corsair, And the phantom is by far the best looking and i think the best quality case there...

njallday 21-01-13 08:03 PM

Just a question to clear things up: are you building this yourself or is the place you're ordering stuff from building it?

Destro521 22-01-13 04:14 AM

they are building it, and only for 79$ rather than 120 like most other australian stores

Feronix 22-01-13 07:20 AM

You *could* do it yourself tbh. Just watch/read a few tutorials and it shouldn't be all that hard :)

Destro521 22-01-13 12:10 PM

I could but i would probably just end up breaking alot of equiptment Plus im still looking for an ideal case to fit an E-ATX motherboard preferably a full tower as im looking to do some future upgrades such as WC'ing further donw the line when i get more funds :D

Rich_ 22-01-13 01:11 PM

those hardware prices are horriffic. 79$ to build instead of 120$? I'd check the hardware prices with the companies charging 120. Add everything up, compare. Looks to me like you're literally paying double the price from that 79$ company... then again im not well informed on the australian currency, for example, a system th at performs identical to that would run up about a 1200-1300$ bill from US/CA/EU.

Destro521 22-01-13 01:56 PM

yeah bro its really quite disheartening, ive been to australias most popular site PCcasegear.com and even then the price is still round the 2400 range with an even worse gpu, the Hardware prices are astronomical and with sites like amazon.com not shipping hardware to australia it makes it extremly difficault to avoid the high price bracket that australia has :(

This is the real kick in the teeth... Australia charges around 500$ on orders from overseas that are pver 1000$ in value!!

Can you guys reccomend some full tower cases or mid towers from that ple website that i should use for my build i have a budget of 220$ for the case
and im leanign towards the CM Storm Stryker over the CoolerMaster HAF X

Deejeta 22-01-13 03:08 PM

Netplus are cheaper for building fees. Great QC process. Top store.
http://www.netplus.com.au/
$2400 is heaps for a good build ill post back a bit later with something.


http://www.overclockers.com.au/pix/i...px3kp&f=1' Click to view full size!

Then just add your case of choice that fits the h100i and windows 8 pro.

Destro521 23-01-13 04:04 AM

Thankyou for that reccomendation, i have a question for all of you,
Would a HAF XM be a viable solution for an SLI 670 build on a maximus V formula with 3770k? i would also like to find another motherboard instead of the MVF if i was going to do an sli 670 solution due to teh fact that a 1080p monitor basically ruins the point deosnt it?

the 670 sli solution costs 798$
to put that into perspective the 690 costs 1400$ while the 670 sli is 602$ cheaper and only with 5-10% less performance. so as far as savings go that is bloody fantastic

As you may not know i am new to the desktop bracket as i have used gaming laptops for the past year and am looking for not only a great gaming computer but also a computer that will last atleast a few years due to the fact that i am just completing a certidicate 4 in game developement and then going to uni for either software developement or a major in games development :) and i want to not have to upgrade for a while because the uni costs are high (in excess of 20,000$)

thanks dor the reccomendation deejeta :D the place is 15mins don the road from me haha

Bang 23-01-13 10:30 AM

Mate I live in Melbourne and MSY and Centrecom have stores all over Australia. MSY is the cheaper of the two but only slightly.

Motherboard: MSI Z77A-GD65 or MPower. Save yourself $400 over that Asus heap.

Spend $2 on a screwdriver and build it yourself. Dont pay someone else to do what you can do yourself for free.

Deejeta 23-01-13 01:32 PM

HAF XM's are an ok case quite reasonable priced as well for the features. ROG boards are dear as poison. I look at mine and often think why I paid so much for it. Anyway. Like as stated above - the MSI Mpower & GD65 are top boards and will do everything the rog board will do. If you're not too far from me I could show you how to build a pc if you like.

Destro521 23-01-13 03:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deejeta (Post 607041)
HAF XM's are an ok case quite reasonable priced as well for the features. ROG boards are dear as poison. I look at mine and often think why I paid so much for it. Anyway. Like as stated above - the MSI Mpower & GD65 are top boards and will do everything the rog board will do. If you're not too far from me I could show you how to build a pc if you like.

thanks for the help :D getting my hands on an mpower could be difficault from the ple webshop:(

Deejeta 24-01-13 12:10 AM

http://www.ple.com.au/ViewItem.aspx?...CategoryID=302
This board is another option for you mate. The only downside is its choice of audio codec used on the board. Still a great board though.
Review:
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2012/...rboard_review/

NeverBackDown 24-01-13 04:39 AM

Why not a fractal deisgn r4 window version as a case? I also agree with the ROG being a waste. Mpower or GD55/65 are the best IMO, also much cheaper! And ya build it yourself. youtube videos can teach you and walk you through. If you really want it to lasts a long time, SSD is the only way to go for storage really.

grassman 24-01-13 06:05 AM

If you are stuck on wanting red then go with Asrock Fatal1ty.

Destro521 24-01-13 06:06 AM

i just found out that on my budget i can SLI 2 670s but have to get an asus p8z77-V are they anygood? will i have to get a 7.1 surround card?

The reason for dual 670s is because of that fact that they cost 798$ while the 7970 is 600 plus the gtx 690 card over here is 1500$ and im prettys sure the 670 perform 5% less but also for 602$ less

what are your opinions?
Also the case for the dual 670s would be the HAF X because of the supposed best gpu air cooling it has

Feronix 24-01-13 06:41 AM

Congrats! You have now arrived at the exact same set-up that I specced out for you on page 2! :)

Yes, that's a solid set-up. 2 overclocked 670s can be faster than a 690. Personally I think the HAF X looks really... well, ugly tbh. Storm Trooper would be my choice :)

As for the sound card: Yes, the ROG on-board audio is slightly better than normal, however it's still on-board sounds which tends to suck. You won't miss anything compared to the ROG board if you don't buy a sound card, but buying one will give your a great increase in audio quality!

Gotta have decent headphones/speakers though

Destro521 24-01-13 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Feronix (Post 607413)
Congrats! You have now arrived at the exact same set-up that I specced out for you on page 2! :)

Yes, that's a solid set-up. 2 overclocked 670s can be faster than a 690. Personally I think the HAF X looks really... well, ugly tbh. Storm Trooper would be my choice :)

As for the sound card: Yes, the ROG on-board audio is slightly better than normal, however it's still on-board sounds which tends to suck. You won't miss anything compared to the ROG board if you don't buy a sound card, but buying one will give your a great increase in audio quality!

Gotta have decent headphones/speakers though

How about the storm stryker :lol: so all of this is actually good?
Isnt it a bit overkill having 2 670s in sli haha
also i had to go with teh AFOX cards not the ftw but should i go with the ftw it would mean more sacrifices :(
still going with the 16gb ram though haha
i still dont know about teh 3570k though

Also isnt the HAF X unmatched in its gpu cooling aswesomeness? or is it bad compared to the stryker?

Feronix 24-01-13 08:23 AM

Depends, in the HAF X there's a HDD cage blocking the airflow of the front intake fan, so you're only left with the side panel fan however if you have a proper front intake, sidepanel fans are frowned upon. In the Stryker you can rotate the HDD cages so that the 2 x 120mm fans are intaking air and blowing it into the case.

If you then put your HDD in the optical drive bays, there are no restrictions to airflow whatsoever. Besides, the Stryker has a built-in fan controller :)

Yes, 670 SLI is a bit overkill especially if you're only on one 1080p monitor, but you can can always buy one now and one later! I'd personally grab the FTW edition as I'm familiar with the brand and their awesome warranty. I've personally never heard of AFOX.

3570k is just the sweetspot for gaming CPUs these days. Games don't use more than 4 cores and the only difference between an i5 and i7 would be hyperthreading which would give you 2-3 fps more in games. I personally don't think that 3 fps justifies the 60 quid extra. i7s are aimed at the people that use their computers for editing tasks like PhotoSoup or video editing (though the i5 is more than capable of doing some photo editing work).

16GB is a bit overkill tbh, and just like with the graphics cards; You can buy 8GB now and add another 8GB later down the road? This gives your wallet some time to recover and your brain some time to think wether you even need it or not

Destro521 24-01-13 02:16 PM

in terms of teh i7 and 16gb ram.
I 3d model often as i am persuing a career in game developement also i know what you mean by AFOX when i saw them even i was like who are these people haha

I will be getting another monitor 4 months down the road and will probably go with a stryker case.
Also as the 670s are dual slot will i have any issues cooling them in a stryker?


I have also just discovered that for 10$ cheaper i can get a single eVGA Gtx 680 Classified are they anygood? or an overpriced waste of time?

just having trouble justifying a 670 sli config haha even when i have everything else sorted component-wise

Feronix 24-01-13 02:28 PM

An overclocked 670 actually performs the same as a ref 680, so yes that would be wasting your money. As for the i7 and RAM; Buy whatever you think you need dude but I was just stating that RAM is so easily upgradable and it might save you a few pounds for now :)

Just like the GTX 670, I'm repeating myself again, you can buy one now and one later. If you have one screen now it will be more than capable for most games. If you're using 2 screens I'm actually assuming that you still game on only one as otherwise you'd have the bezel in the middle of your screen.

Destro521 24-01-13 02:33 PM

yeah i might go 8gb ram and a single 670 then

NeverBackDown 24-01-13 10:56 PM

Have you considered a 7950? They are cheaper here but i'm not sure if they are in australia. Slightly better performance for gaming but again i'm not sure if they will be as useful in the game development software you use.

Destro521 25-01-13 02:33 AM

I have concidered them but they are all XFX and they dont supply the Club3D ones which originally caught my attention.

The 3gb Vram would suit me more than the 670's 2gb
And i still have that asus 7970 on the mind ;)

NeverBackDown 25-01-13 03:04 AM

Well xfx has an overclock warranty i think, so pretty useful if thats what you plan on doing. The 7970 isn't that much more than a 670 i believe so maybe get 1 now if you can't afford it into your budget. I would rather get one now and get bigger SSDs and then once you start with your GD get another 7970? ;)


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