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WYP 19-05-20 02:42 PM

AMD Changes Course - B450 and X470 will support Zen 3-based processors
 
400-series users will have an upgrade path, but upgrading will be tricky.

https://overclock3d.net/gfx/articles...122929998s.jpg

Read more about AMD extending B450 and X470's motherboard support.

Dicehunter 19-05-20 02:55 PM

This was probably planned from the start given how extremely quickly they changed their stance, They knew there would be customer backlash so now them "listening" makes them look like the good guys, Clever marketing.

Avet 19-05-20 03:53 PM

It will be optional only. See paragraph 4. You will need to confirm that you have Zen3 CPU and there is no rollback after this. You lose support for old processors completely.

AlienALX 19-05-20 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dicehunter (Post 1020569)
This was probably planned from the start given how extremely quickly they changed their stance, They knew there would be customer backlash so now them "listening" makes them look like the good guys, Clever marketing.

Nah, I strongly doubt that. They've just seen the backlash, realised MSI and Co would be screwed and have changed their mind.

Remember, this will cost them a lot of time and money and will result in board failure and RMA. They will have to cover that, which is why they probably didn't want to go this route in the first place.

Fair play though. I doff my cap.

NeverBackDown 19-05-20 05:26 PM

Pretty stupid how you cannot do a BIOS flash to an older version that doesn't support a Zen 3 CPU. Makes no bloody sense as to why.

Avet 19-05-20 05:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBackDown (Post 1020576)
Pretty stupid how you cannot do a BIOS flash to an older version that doesn't support a Zen 3 CPU. Makes no bloody sense as to why.

Here is the deep dive by GN. It is just past the limits of the BIOS chip to support all that. Either old or new compromise is the only thing AMD could do. If you want the new stuff you probably won't go back to the old. If you want old just don't go for the special version of the BIOS.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5X-8vZtml8

NeverBackDown 19-05-20 05:58 PM

No that still makes no sense.

If you flash it with an older BIOS you are rewriting the entire file stored. It does not matter what is on it, you are deleting it to it's base functions to where it can still operate, but then writing new binary to it allowing for all the support needed. It does not matter what's written so long as it's able to be written.

Older BIOS will have a previous AGESA and CPU support. Newer BIOS version will have a new AGESA version and therefore new CPU support.


It doesn't matter if the "probably" event you mentioned occurs. It's the fact that it still makes no sense to me how they can prevent old flashbacks unless they are specifically writing code to prevent anything older than these new AGESA versions. Which is purposefully removing options from the user when there is 0 need to.

tgrech 19-05-20 06:01 PM

I assume this update is so large they have to remove the full bootloader(The bootloader for the UEFI chip rather than the PC) to be able to fit(or at least removing the flashing functionality). If you write software to an embedded processor without a bootloader than allows you to "flash" itself then you need to use a dedicated programmer to "re-flash" it.

NeverBackDown 19-05-20 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgrech (Post 1020579)
I assume this update is so large they have to remove the bootloader(The bootloader for the UEFI chip rather than the PC) to be able to fit. No bootloader, no more hot flashing.

Considering they are only supporting one lineup, Zen 3, they are actually using less storage as there are less CPUs being supported. It's a one way ticket. Zen 1/2 or 3. Not both.

tgrech 19-05-20 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NeverBackDown (Post 1020580)
Considering they are only supporting one lineup, Zen 3, they are actually using less storage as there are less CPUs being supported. It's a one way ticket. Zen 1/2 or 3. Not both.

The size of the AGESA procedure library required for Zen3 could still be larger than previous lines, particularly if the core design has changed notably.


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