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WYP 10-01-20 04:29 PM

Mystery Radeon engineering sample appears on OpenVR benchmark to best Nvidia's RTX 20
 
An AMD graphics card that can beat Nvidia's Geforce RTX 2080 Ti?

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RobM 10-01-20 04:48 PM

I still reckon we will see a 5800 and a 5900 series

NeverBackDown 10-01-20 05:05 PM

We will see bigger Navi cards but i can say with absolute certainty that they will not have a single card beat a single 2080ti.

Match a 2080 Super at best. Though probably still behind power consumption.

KingNosser 10-01-20 05:14 PM

Well since amd are referring to one internal card as nvidia killer I'd at least expect it to be on par with a 2080 ti but I'm waiting for both company's to show their cards so I know what my next upgrade is but first comes the saving process :(

tgrech 10-01-20 05:48 PM

I'm not sure this is really it, but matching an RTX2080Ti would be quite easy for AMD now, as demonstrated by the fact these results are more or less exactly what you'd expect from a 64CU, 384-bit Navi card.

An RTX2080Ti is 30-40% faster than a 5700XT on average.
If you made a 64CU version of the 5700XT that's 60% more cores.
If you gave it 16Gbps chips and a 384-bit bus width (Same as RTX2080Ti) that's 70% more theoretical bandwidth than 5700XT.

So even counting for practical losses and lower clock speeds a 50% gain over the 5700XT is pretty doable. Die size should be around an RTX2070 in that scenario, which is still a good chunk larger than a Radeon VII but not exactly out of this world.

jcchg 10-01-20 05:57 PM

I would be content with RTX 2080 Super performance for 425/500 and 25 % discount on existing RX 5000 series, just like the strategy they took with AMD Ryzen. Anything better than that would be great.

Warchild 10-01-20 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tgrech (Post 1014750)
I'm not sure this is really it, but matching an RTX2080Ti would be quite easy for AMD now, as demonstrated by the fact these results are more or less exactly what you'd expect from a 64CU, 384-bit Navi card.

An RTX2080Ti is 30-40% faster than a 5700XT on average.
If you made a 64CU version of the 5700XT that's 60% more cores.
If you gave it 16Gbps chips and a 384-bit bus width (Same as RTX2080Ti) that's 70% more theoretical bandwidth than 5700XT.

So even counting for practical losses and lower clock speeds a 50% gain over the 5700XT is pretty doable. Die size should be around an RTX2070 in that scenario, which is still a good chunk larger than a Radeon VII but not exactly out of this world.

I'll believe it when I see it. Time and time again I have seen these quotes. Who remembers the titan killer aka Fury X.. yeah well we remember it for the wrong reasons.

They will just not be able to compete with the Nvidia flagship. Even if in some miracle, they are on par with the 2080ti. Nvidia will just release the 2080ti Super. That will have the world flocking for the next biggest thing meaning AMD just helped Nvidia profits soar once again.

tgrech 10-01-20 07:01 PM

I think it's worth considering NVidia are currently competing with an 18 month old architecture and 3 year old node that was a close derivative of a 6 year old node. Turing will likely be their previous generation by the end of the year and the least we should expect is for AMD to be able to match their by then older Turing arch after this time and with a leading edge node.

Ofc NVidia may have been put in a tight situation with Samsung's time to market on 7nm if they committed to one foundry for Samsung's lead on EUV as rumoured but I'm sure they'll have a response as soon as they can build up some supply.

AngryGoldfish 10-01-20 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Warchild (Post 1014756)
I'll believe it when I see it. Time and time again I have seen these quotes. Who remembers the titan killer aka Fury X.. yeah well we remember it for the wrong reasons.

They will just not be able to compete with the Nvidia flagship. Even if in some miracle, they are on par with the 2080ti. Nvidia will just release the 2080ti Super. That will have the world flocking for the next biggest thing meaning AMD just helped Nvidia profits soar once again.

In fairness, the Fury X was far better value than the Titan X. The issue was that Nvidia released a $650 variant of it that performed better because it had factory overclocks. If the Fury X was supposed to compete with the Titan X, it did incredibly well at that.

I think it's more likely that Nvidia will release Ampere just a couple of months after Navi 21/23 launches than refresh the 2080Ti. There's definitely performance left behind with the 2080Ti, but not 17%. Obviously that's if the next generation of Navi cards are 17% faster.

Personally, I think it's a sure thing for AMD to surpass a 2080Ti in terms of performance per dollar. The issue I see is, will it come out just two months before Ampere, will it consume far more power than an RTX 3080, and will it still be prohibitively expensive with short supplies. For me, these are very likely.

NeverBackDown 10-01-20 07:59 PM

Once Nvidia releases a 7nm GPU. AMD is screwed.

At best AMD wins for a few months. Then Nvidia will come back and obliterate them. If AMD can barely match a 12nm design on an architecture that's over 12 months old(once AMD launch), all Nvidia would need to do is release Turing on 12nm and boom they are once again ahead.


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