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AlienALX
27-06-17, 07:08 PM
AMD launches Radeon Vega Frontier Edition for $999

"AMD Launches the World’s Fastest Graphics Card for Machine Learning Development and Advanced Visualization Workloads, Radeon Vega Frontier Edition, Available Now"

https://videocardz.com/press-release/amd-launches-radeon-vega-frontier-edition-for-999

Is this what Tesla Volta is to Nvidia?

Depends what you mean by that. You mean in technology? no, I doubt it. It's probably more comparable to Pascal.

TheF34RChannel
27-06-17, 07:37 PM
Depends what you mean by that. You mean in technology? no, I doubt it. It's probably more comparable to Pascal.

I mean what sort of market segment specifically? Seems to be made for heavy rendering duties and the like to me.

AlienALX
27-06-17, 07:49 PM
I mean what sort of market segment specifically? Seems to be made for heavy rendering duties and the like to me.

It's a pro card yeah. Not intended for gaming.

TheF34RChannel
27-06-17, 07:58 PM
It's a pro card yeah. Not intended for gaming.

That much I knew :) I just wasn't sure if it was for deep learning otherwise whatever else. Anyway, it seems to do well in rendering!

TheF34RChannel
28-06-17, 03:14 PM
Manufacturer confirms Intel’s Coffee Lake Z370 motherboards are coming in Q4

https://www.reddit.com/r/hardware/comments/6jzjbu/manufacturer_confirms_intels_coffee_lake_z370/

Would be sour if not August.

TheF34RChannel
28-06-17, 08:36 PM
Another GeekBench entry found just now:

Coffee Lake-U / Cannon Lake-U Geekbench 3 Score

https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/8393354

The very first 14nm++ CFL-U results, quite a bit early for a product launching in 2018. Apparently there's a dual-core SKU as well, not only quad-cores - though both should pack GT3e graphics (Iris Plus 740/750). Base clock is up by 800 MHz (32%) compared to Core i7-7660U (assuming it's 15W).

Edit: BIOS suggests it could be Cannon Lake-U (Intel Corporation CNLSFWR1.R00.X086.D00.1705141926). If that's the case, 3.3 GHz is a nice bump from Core i7-7600U (2.8 GHz) as well, not bad for their first 10 nm implementation.

evilcorp
29-06-17, 08:09 AM
Der8auer has released a scathing video detailing the poor VRM and power delivery on all current x299 boards and he recommends buying no current x299 boards. He lays the blame partly with Intel and with the board vendors. He says no main boards are capable of overclocking with only an 8 pin power. He goes in to extensive detail about the extreme temps that the VRMs on boards from all vendors were getting to during testing which was causing CPU's to clock down and throttle. He also says if you want to buy a skylake x board from overclocking you should wait at least a month or even two

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7BqAjC4ZCc&t=29s

SPS
29-06-17, 08:58 AM
Can anyone tell me how to pronounce Der8auer ?

Damien c
29-06-17, 09:06 AM
I think it's pronounced "DER BOW(like bow before me) ER"

Tolemac
29-06-17, 09:27 AM
I think it's pronounced "DER BOW(like bow before me) ER"

nope "Der-eight-auer"

WYP
29-06-17, 09:30 AM
Can anyone tell me how to pronounce Der8auer ?

I replace the 8 witha B. Der-Bau-er

Dicehunter
29-06-17, 09:56 AM
nope "Der-eight-auer"

No it is actually Der Bauer, Phonetically it is "Derr-boww-err", Which translates to "The Builder", Even says as much on his employee page of his employer, Caseking.

http://www.caseking-gaming.com/overclocking/der8auer/

1st paragraph, Last sentence.

Tolemac
29-06-17, 10:21 AM
No it is actually Der Bauer, Phonetically it is "Derr-boww-err", Which translates to "The Builder", Even says as much on his employee page of his employer, Caseking.

http://www.caseking-gaming.com/overclocking/der8auer/

1st paragraph, Last sentence.

well thats me told :o although a lot of youtube peeps refer to him as I quoted

WYP
29-06-17, 10:21 AM
No it is actually Der Bauer, Phonetically it is "Derr-boww-err", Which translates to "The Builder", Even says as much on his employee page of his employer, Caseking.

http://www.caseking-gaming.com/overclocking/der8auer/

1st paragraph, Last sentence.

We have the definative answer now!

Dicehunter
29-06-17, 10:51 AM
Ryzen 7 Pro CPU's on the way, Not really any different to current R7 CPU's but more encryption etc... available -

https://videocardz.com/70594/amd-launches-ryzen-pro-workstation-processors

SPS
29-06-17, 11:11 AM
No it is actually Der Bauer, Phonetically it is "Derr-boww-err", Which translates to "The Builder", Even says as much on his employee page of his employer, Caseking.

http://www.caseking-gaming.com/overclocking/der8auer/

1st paragraph, Last sentence.

Awesome thanks

Dicehunter
29-06-17, 11:54 PM
PCPER live testing of the Vega Frontier Edition, REALLY not looking good so far, Yes yes I know it's not a gaming card but the results are horrible, Worse than a 1080.

Unigine Heaven (Ultra, 25x14)

GTX 1080 Ti - 116FPS

GTX 1080 - 81FPS

Vega Frontier Edition - 64FPS

bhGAS_oGN3c

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 12:48 AM
PCPER live testing of the Vega Frontier Edition, REALLY not looking good so far, Yes yes I know it's not a gaming card but the results are horrible, Worse than a 1080.

Unigine Heaven (Ultra, 25x14)

GTX 1080 Ti - 116FPS

GTX 1080 - 81FPS

Vega Frontier Edition - 64FPS

bhGAS_oGN3c

I love how you acknowledge it's not for gaming but then go on to say it's horrible for gaming...
I really don't understand why everybody is so focused on this.

Tolemac
30-06-17, 12:50 AM
I love how you acknowledge it's not for gaming but then go on to say it's horrible for gaming...
I really don't understand why everybody is so focused on this.

It's called speculation :p pretty boring though Zzzzzzzzz

Dicehunter
30-06-17, 12:50 AM
I love how you acknowledge it's not for gaming but then go on to say it's horrible for gaming...
I really don't understand why everybody is so focused on this.

Same amount of cores in the RX version, Same actual cores in the RX version, So the difference won't be massive between this and the RX version, This just gives a sneak peak at what RX may well be like.

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 12:52 AM
It's called speculation :p pretty boring though Zzzzzzzzz

We should take a Quadro card and bench it and speculate at that I guess
That would be boring too

Tolemac
30-06-17, 12:52 AM
Frontier Edition = No Buzz Lightyear, RX Vega = to infinity and beyond :p

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 12:55 AM
Frontier Edition = No Buzz Lightyear, RX Vega = to infinity and beyond :p

Well maybe not infinity.. maybe to the Vega star then back^_^

Dicehunter
30-06-17, 12:57 AM
We should take a Quadro card and bench it and speculate at that I guess
That would be boring too

Linus did a video a while back testing a Maxwell Quadro which was basically a Titan X Maxwell with an extra 12GB of memory and it was only 1 frame behind the Titan X in Crysis 3 so I doubt the situation will be much different here considering the core count and core types will be the same, Only factor that could change this is if it has a MUCH higher core clock.

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 01:08 AM
Linus did a video a while back testing a Maxwell Quadro which was basically a Titan X Maxwell with an extra 12GB of memory and it was only 1 frame behind the Titan X in Crysis 3 so I doubt the situation will be much different here considering the core count and core types will be the same, Only factor that could change this is if it has a MUCH higher core clock.

It also has mature drivers and been out for years.
It really isn't comparable.
The 7970 launched with crappy drivers. Then in October 2011 the fist version of the GCN official drivers were released (previous drivers were VLIW) the performance increase was over 100% in some cases and it made a crappy "gaming card" into the fastest card on the market only losing to the 580 in nvidia titles with TWIMTBP.

So same card, same cores, same everything, yet only a driver increase and IMMENSE performance increases.

Remember AMD also said it will be much faster. Why? Drivers. So to all the people who are bashing it and losing faith, just wait.

Dicehunter
30-06-17, 01:11 AM
Meh, I'm keeping my expectations low ^_^

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 01:20 AM
Meh, I'm keeping my expectations low ^_^

That's fine but then going around saying it's horrible when we don't even have the cards is premature and as official as a rumour is

Tolemac
30-06-17, 01:25 AM
You can't really bash a product when it's not meant for the purpose. Honestly you wouldn't expect a cheese grater to give you hot soup. The question I would ask is how does this card perform in its "Native" envirorment.

NeverBackDown
30-06-17, 05:36 AM
You can't really bash a product when it's not meant for the purpose. Honestly you wouldn't expect a cheese grater to give you hot soup. The question I would ask is how does this card perform in its "Native" envirorment.

Exactly. Though I doubt many devs have these cards installed right now so would be difficult to get some actual insight.

AlienALX
30-06-17, 07:02 AM
pretty boring though Zzzzzzzzz

^AMD's GPU division right now.

TheF34RChannel
30-06-17, 08:24 PM
The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 16GB Air Cooled Review: showing the first die and PCB shot.

https://www.pcper.com/image/view/83429?return=node%2F68026

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review

AlienALX
30-06-17, 08:56 PM
The Radeon Vega Frontier Edition 16GB Air Cooled Review: showing the first die and PCB shot.

https://www.pcper.com/image/view/83429?return=node%2F68026

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Air-Cooled-Review

Wow. So it's basically level peggings with the 1070, sometimes beating it, sometimes losing against it.

That's not very good is it?

*called 1070 from the beginning*

TheF34RChannel
30-06-17, 09:29 PM
Wow. So it's basically level peggings with the 1070, sometimes beating it, sometimes losing against it.

That's not very good is it?

*called 1070 from the beginning*

And that performance can be had for only $1000 USD! :p

In all seriousness, it's like pre- Polaris; that was hyped up to beat everything and it was ultimately a house of cards. I get why Nvidia isn't scared, ever. That said, this specific Vega card being used for both devs and the switch to game mode (with its ultimately useless low performance in the game you just created) is so out there it's not even filling a niche market. That and having two drivers, one for each mode, is a disaster waiting to happen. If I were a developer I'd get a Quadro card.

AlienALX
30-06-17, 09:40 PM
And that performance can be had for only $1000 USD! :p

In all seriousness, it's like pre- Polaris; that was hyped up to beat everything and it was ultimately a house of cards. I get why Nvidia isn't scared, ever. That said, this specific Vega card being used for both devs and the switch to game mode (with its ultimately useless low performance in the game you just created) is so out there it's not even filling a niche market. That and having two drivers, one for each mode, is a disaster waiting to happen. If I were a developer I'd get a Quadro card.

If you didn't listen to BS and saw Polaris for what it was then you would have known how it would perform. Again, science. I knew it was a mid range tech just from looking at it. And it delivered, IMO. It was selling well to gamers before mining completely ruined the product stack which is a real shame.

I gotta admit when I saw your post with the review in it my heart did beat a little faster for a while. Then my mind said "Hey you know what if this thing is any good I will save for a couple of months and buy one !". But there's no justifying £999 for that. You could get two 1070s for that and they would destroy it.

I do expect better gaming performance from Vega when it becomes a desktop part, but it's clear it suffers from all of the problems other AMD cards do. I mean look at it go in Hitman.. Sadly that's about where it stops.

Ah well. At least I know now why AMD have delayed the crap out of it.

Saw a 1080ti amp! today for £630. If I suddenly get back into gaming again* I may get one of those.

*if any games that I want to play actually come out, because right now there's nothing for me. That prison break co op one has me drooling, but it's not coming out for ages.

TheF34RChannel
30-06-17, 09:59 PM
Oh I knew exactly what Polaris was and what Vega is, for that matter. The RX will be a bit better but it won't touch the relatively soon redundant* Ti /Xp.

*Volta is coming.

Yeah mining sure ruined prices for us! The Ti I saw now costs almost €900 wtf!? Hoping prices will come down eventually but fearing that like hounds that have tasted blood, they'll remain high(er)...

Excalabur50
01-07-17, 12:05 AM
Oh I knew exactly what Polaris was and what Vega is, for that matter. The RX will be a bit better but it won't touch the relatively soon redundant* Ti /Xp.

*Volta is coming.

Yeah mining sure ruined prices for us! The Ti I saw now costs almost €900 wtf!? Hoping prices will come down eventually but fearing that like hounds that have tasted blood, they'll remain high(er)...

Volta is not coming the latest rumour is it will be a die shrink pascal

NeverBackDown
01-07-17, 12:08 AM
Volta is not coming the latest rumour is it will be a die shrink pascal

I've said it a bunch of times, Volta isn't coming to us consumers this year. It'll hit HPC first as usual. That's where the money is. They get to price all the premiums there.

TheF34RChannel
01-07-17, 06:33 AM
I've said it a bunch of times, Volta isn't coming to us consumers this year. It'll hit HPC first as usual. That's where the money is. They get to price all the premiums there.

Exactly!

And Excalibur, what an odd rumor.

AlienALX
01-07-17, 06:49 AM
Exactly!

And Excalibur, what an odd rumor.

It's not odd. They have obviously gotten their hands on the Vega FE, laughed a little and realised they can milk the Pascal cash cow for longer.

TheF34RChannel
01-07-17, 09:31 AM
It's not odd. They have obviously gotten their hands on the Vega FE, laughed a little and realised they can milk the Pascal cash cow for longer.

Don't be silly; they've started work on Volta years ago when they had no idea about Vega.

tinytomlogan
01-07-17, 09:32 AM
Don't be silly; they've started work on Volta years ago when they had no idea about Vega.

Volta was ready before they even launched Pascal.....

Excalabur50
01-07-17, 09:34 AM
Volta uses HBM as well so Nvidia have decided to go with a Pascal die shrink and DDR5x or 6 instead which makes sense also the rumour is that Volta's architecture isn't as good for regular use like gaming and stuff

AlienALX
01-07-17, 11:00 AM
Don't be silly; they've started work on Volta years ago when they had no idea about Vega.

I know. I used to work developing software so I know how it works. You remain at least three steps ahead so you've always got something to show ;)

I read your last post wrong. I didn't realise you were addressing Ecalabur's quote/rumour and not the rumour that Nvidia are not releasing Volta yet.

Crossed wire, sorry about that :)

TheF34RChannel
01-07-17, 02:58 PM
Volta was ready before they even launched Pascal.....

Because at one point the release order was reversed (I seem to remember)/Pascal was inserted in-between (the majority seems to remember)? Is there any truth to this rumour of Volta being a Pascal die shrink/optimization? I'm having a hard time believing it (sorry Excalibur).

I know. I used to work developing software so I know how it works. You remain at least three steps ahead so you've always got something to show ;)

I read your last post wrong. I didn't realise you were addressing Ecalabur's quote/rumour and not the rumour that Nvidia are not releasing Volta yet.

Crossed wire, sorry about that :)

Makes sense, no worries! :cool:

g0ggles1994
01-07-17, 03:25 PM
CCL Have Gigabyte's AM4 ITX Board listed as coming soon with (I'm guessing) a placeholder price of £109.99. That's me signed up for stock updates :D

https://www.cclonline.com/product/236174/GA-AB350N-Gaming-WIFI/Motherboards/Gigabyte-AB350N-Gaming-WIFI-AMD-Socket-AM4-ITX-Motherboard/MBD2209/

NeverBackDown
01-07-17, 05:01 PM
Because at one point the release order was reversed (I seem to remember)/Pascal was inserted in-between (the majority seems to remember)? Is there any truth to this rumour of Volta being a Pascal die shrink/optimization? I'm having a hard time believing it (sorry Excalibur).



Makes sense, no worries! :cool:

I'm pretty sure Volta was after Maxwell. But they renamed stuff so Pascal became Volta.

TheF34RChannel
01-07-17, 10:52 PM
I'm pretty sure Volta was after Maxwell. But they renamed stuff so Pascal became Volta.

Not sure what the point of that would be but stranger things have happened so I'll take it ha ha

TheF34RChannel
01-07-17, 10:53 PM
AMD confirms Radeon RX Vega is launching at SIGGRAPH

https://videocardz.com/70663/amd-confirms-radeon-rx-vega-is-launching-at-siggraph

Excalabur50
02-07-17, 12:44 AM
Here is the story that Nvidia's next Gpu will be Pascal http://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43962-new-geforce-will-be-incremental

TheF34RChannel
02-07-17, 08:18 AM
Here is the story that Nvidia's next Gpu will be Pascal http://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43962-new-geforce-will-be-incremental

I'm sorry but I don't regard Fudzilla as a credible source. It's tabloid style click bait. Against better judgment I read their article and there's no source, just their own speculation passed off as truth.

TheF34RChannel
02-07-17, 08:19 AM
Intel Hyperthreading Bug in KabyLake and Skylake Processors Was Addressed By BIOS Fix In April 2017

The following is what Intel had to say about the affair:

The issue has been addressed with a fix that started rolling out in April 2017. As always, we recommend checking to make sure your BIOS is up to date, but the chance of encountering this issue is low, as it requires a complex number of concurrent micro-architectural conditions to reproduce.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/hyperthreading-kaby-lake-skylake-skylake-x,34876.html

Dicehunter
02-07-17, 08:57 AM
Here is the story that Nvidia's next Gpu will be Pascal http://fudzilla.com/news/graphics/43962-new-geforce-will-be-incremental

It would have to be around the same performance jump as going from a 980 Ti to 1080 Ti to get me to say "Wow I want it", I'm still holding my money ready for Vega anyway ^_^

In other news, Nvidia quietly enabled DX12 support for GTX 400/500 series cards and upgraded the DX12 Resource Binding from Tier 2 to Tier 3 on Pascal cards as well as Netflix 4K support in the latest 384.76 driver.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6kib27/updates_to_fermi_maxwell_and_pascal_dx12/

AlienALX
04-07-17, 12:14 PM
It would have to be around the same performance jump as going from a 980 Ti to 1080 Ti to get me to say "Wow I want it", I'm still holding my money ready for Vega anyway ^_^

In other news, Nvidia quietly enabled DX12 support for GTX 400/500 series cards and upgraded the DX12 Resource Binding from Tier 2 to Tier 3 on Pascal cards as well as Netflix 4K support in the latest 384.76 driver.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nvidia/comments/6kib27/updates_to_fermi_maxwell_and_pascal_dx12/

You can expect Nvidia to put on the brakes now that they have seen Vega. And they will, and they are. Welcome to the land of Intel, where it's 5% every year or so.

AngryGoldfish
04-07-17, 01:39 PM
You can expect Nvidia to put on the brakes now that they have seen Vega. And they will, and they are. Welcome to the land of Intel, where it's 5% every year or so.

As soon as Nvidia does that, AMD will take over. And it won't take them five years like it did with Ryzen. So your point is moot. I can't see Nvidia introducing 5% incremental improvements. That's completely illogical. I feel like your habit of doom-bringing is getting in the way of logic and economics.

AlienALX
04-07-17, 02:53 PM
As soon as Nvidia does that, AMD will take over. And it won't take them five years like it did with Ryzen. So your point is moot. I can't see Nvidia introducing 5% incremental improvements. That's completely illogical. I feel like your habit of doom-bringing is getting in the way of logic and economics.

AMD aren't doing crap for the foreseeable. Their next tech is Navi, and that is scale-able so they need to basically get multi GPU working. And that means it needs to happen to a console first, and that is way off. The whole idea of Navi is to use IF to connect more than one small core (like Polaris). They don't have anything else in the pipes.

I'm not doom bringing. Vega is what it is and if the price is right it will slot into the mid range nicely. However, if Nvidia dominate the high end like they've done for years now Vega will not change much.

I'm annoyed at AMD AGF. Very, very annoyed at AMD. They've had their chance to drop the kitchen sink for years yet still they have persisted with this GCN. Nvidia remarked that the 7970 was AMD's "Fermi" and AMD have just continued doing the same thing since.

They used HBM which drove up the price of the Fury X. Hardly any were sold (look around you at how many of us have them). It didn't have enough VRAM and within 6 months it was showing issues. Now they've basically gone and done the exact same thing with Vega. IE - made it expensive. That means that taking on the 1070 (which is what they are going to be looking to do) is going to be really hard because of the cost of that HBM2. Nvidia can simply drop the prices of the 1070 etc.

This is all deserved criticism. I absolutely love their CPU dept atm, but the GPU dept is almost like it's a completely different entity akin to the old AMD.

looz
04-07-17, 03:15 PM
Would be lovely if Intel got involved with the discrete GPU market, at lest power efficiency wise their iGPUs arent half bad. But obviously you can't just scale those up.I see Intel as the only company which has the resources to challenge Nvidia. But Intel has shown absolutely no interest in that, so it's not like it would realistically happen.

AngryGoldfish
04-07-17, 03:33 PM
AMD aren't doing crap for the foreseeable. Their next tech is Navi, and that is scale-able so they need to basically get multi GPU working. And that means it needs to happen to a console first, and that is way off. The whole idea of Navi is to use IF to connect more than one small core (like Polaris). They don't have anything else in the pipes.

I'm not doom bringing. Vega is what it is and if the price is right it will slot into the mid range nicely. However, if Nvidia dominate the high end like they've done for years now Vega will not change much.

I'm annoyed at AMD AGF. Very, very annoyed at AMD. They've had their chance to drop the kitchen sink for years yet still they have persisted with this GCN. Nvidia remarked that the 7970 was AMD's "Fermi" and AMD have just continued doing the same thing since.

They used HBM which drove up the price of the Fury X. Hardly any were sold (look around you at how many of us have them). It didn't have enough VRAM and within 6 months it was showing issues. Now they've basically gone and done the exact same thing with Vega. IE - made it expensive. That means that taking on the 1070 (which is what they are going to be looking to do) is going to be really hard because of the cost of that HBM2. Nvidia can simply drop the prices of the 1070 etc.

This is all deserved criticism. I absolutely love their CPU dept atm, but the GPU dept is almost like it's a completely different entity akin to the old AMD.

Vega is not released yet so how can you confidently say that "Vega is Vega"? If it beats a 1080 at the same price point, that's the largest market share in the high-end sector covered and will keep at least a few customers contented (like myself). For how long they'll be competitive in that sector we do not know. If you say you know then that's called speculation. Doom-bringing is speculation with a focus on the negative possibilities. Vega 10 is not a midrange product as far as we can tell. It's a 484mm2 chip. That's not 'midrange'.

And neither do we know for sure that Navi's only call to arms is its 'scaleability', ie using smaller chips connected via the Infinity Fabric. Navi could offer more than that. We don't know.

I'm annoyed at AMD too.

I'm disappointed they have taken so long to get the GPU out. The longer it takes the more people will think it's going to be totally amazeballs when it was only ever supposed to offer 1070 and 1080 level performance (in my eyes); the more people will give up waiting and buy Nvidia; and the closer it gets to Volta or whatever Nvidia has coming next.

I'm frustrated they let the words "poor VOLTA" creep into their promotional video. That was an arrogant and foolish move to make. Unless they know what Volta has to offer, that's speculation, or arrogance.

I'm annoyed they chose to focus on fiddly technology like HBM2 instead of getting solid GPU's out at the right time. However I was not one of the idiots who saw fit to hype Vega to be a Titan XP beater like AdoredTV. Well, he's not an idiot but that was a clear misstep, something that folks here and on other forums have mimicked. If Vega beats the Titan XP and subsequently the 1080Ti, AMD will have more than doubled the performance of Fiji AMD have never done that with any of their previous GPU architectures after only two years. The die shrink may help get them closer to that, but Vega was in my eyes never supposed to beat Nvidia's flagship. The biggest market is the 1070 and 1080 sector. If they can sneak their way into that market, good. They'll also hopefully make some money in the prosumer and professional market. That's not what I consider "doing crap for the foreseeable future".

And I disagree about the Fury X. I have had no issues with my Fury. It has largely gotten better with time with only a couple of notable exceptions to that fact. I would have preferred a cheaper GPU with 8GB of GDDR5, but it's done me well for the last two years. I wouldn't buy one now and if I could go back to when I was upgrading my monitor and GPU I'd strongly consider 980Ti/Gsync, but the Fury/Freesync setup was better value than the 980/Gsync setup and I would have really struggled to afford the 980Ti/Gsync setup. The 980 is now considered a midrange GPU because the 1060 often beats it, but rarely does a 1060 beat a Fury. And a Fury X regularly matches or beats a 980Ti.

AlienALX
04-07-17, 03:39 PM
If you really, honestly think that the desktop Vega is going to be that much better than the Vega already out there then good luck to you.

I just don't see how it is ever going to beat a 1080 with air cooling. If the reference pro card is already throttling by nearly 200mhz then it obviously needs a better cooler.

Who knows? maybe this time around they will allow AIBPs to make proper coolers for it, instead of putting a boat anchor on it.

Quickly, because I don't want to burn my dinner.. The Fury X runs out of VRAM a lot. Sure, they've bodged the drivers but the performance tanks.

And on that note I am off to shove gammon steaks and chips into my fat gob :D

AngryGoldfish
04-07-17, 04:11 PM
If you really, honestly think that the desktop Vega is going to be that much better than the Vega already out there then good luck to you.

I just don't see how it is ever going to beat a 1080 with air cooling. If the reference pro card is already throttling by nearly 200mhz then it obviously needs a better cooler.

Who knows? maybe this time around they will allow AIBPs to make proper coolers for it, instead of putting a boat anchor on it.

Quickly, because I don't want to burn my dinner.. The Fury X runs out of VRAM a lot. Sure, they've bodged the drivers but the performance tanks.

And on that note I am off to shove gammon steaks and chips into my fat gob :D

I don't know. That's my point. I'm only guesstimating. We've seen Vega beat the 1080 before, we've seen Fiji and Polaris gain huge strides with driver updates, so it's within the realm of possibility in my opinion. Also we have the fact that it in some games the Fury X actually matches a GTX 1070. If AMD can't at least beat the 1080 then the jump from Fiji to Vega has only been a 10-20% increase. I find that very hard to believe. In fact, with the clock speed increase I find it borderline impossible. But I don't know that for sure.

Enjoy your steak. :)

Korreborg
04-07-17, 04:13 PM
Could you explain how 1080 performance at the same price will be good?
The 1080 is a year old. There are TONS of different 1080's for sale, lets se how many cards AMD can produce. And the 1080 does not use HBM2, so if they offer it at the same price, it will probably hit AMD on the profit margin.

It is ONLY for people who ONLY want AMD. (But as i mentioned earlier, mining will probably save AMD)

AngryGoldfish
04-07-17, 04:21 PM
Could you explain how 1080 performance at the same price will be good?
The 1080 is a year old. There are TONS of different 1080's for sale, lets se how many cards AMD can produce. And the 1080 does not use HBM2, so if they offer it at the same price, it will probably hit AMD on the profit margin.

It is ONLY for people who ONLY want AMD. (But as i mentioned earlier, mining will probably save AMD)

I don't remember saying 1080 performance at the same price is good, but if I did that's not exactly what I mean. I said, "The biggest market is the 1070 and 1080 sector. If they can sneak their way into that market, good." That means that if a Vega GPU comes in it at $450-500 and handily beats a non-reference 1080 in DX12 and matches it in DX11, that's good. That's more performance for the same price. That would be better than the Fury was against the 980. The Fury at launch was more expensive than the 980 and was only beating it in a few titles because DX12 was not as integrated as it is now. If AMD can get the card out for $500 at the performance I just suggested, that would be an improvement. That's good, at least to me. Is it great? No. It's six months too late for that, amongst other things.

You appear awfully confident about only AMD fans buying Vega. It might be true, but it might not be.

AlienALX
04-07-17, 04:53 PM
Well right now it doesn't perform anywhere near the 1080. It's a bit of a 50/50 catfight with the 1070. Even with the fan at 3000 RPM the card maxed out at 1524, and mostly floated in the 1300-1400mhz range. I still do not see how AMD are going to get an air cooled card to boost higher than that, given the limitations of the cooling. It also chews down more power than a 1080Ti. Over 100W more than a 1080.

I am a huge AMD fan. I have been since 2000, when they started making Slot Athlons. However as I have said, their GPU department leaves a lot to be desired. Fact is the last truly epic range topping GPU they made was the 5870 and that wasn't even them it was ATI. The 6000 series left a lot to be desired, the 7000 series were good at launch but soon caught and matched by Kepler and anything since has been hot and guzzled down power.

So that means if I was loyal enough to buy a Vega (which I'm not) then I would need to put it under water, adding at least £100 to the price. Fury X blocks were £120, due to the HBM needing a much bigger die area of copper.

If every game became a well optimised DX12 game as of tomorrow (ain't gonna happen) then AMD might sort of be onto something. It's obviously never going to be a 4k card unless all of a sudden everything tomorrow was coded in Vulkan, so the HBM2 is another big fat expensive waste of time.

I saw Polaris as a complete success. Maybe AMD just need to stick to stuff like that.

Korreborg
04-07-17, 04:56 PM
You appear awfully confident about only AMD fans buying Vega. It might be true, but it might not be.

I base that on it being late. Same performance 1 year later is by my account really not good. If they could do a Ryzen move, same/more performance but 100$ less, that would be truly awesome, but the HBM2 makes me confident that's not possible.

AMD GPUs is lost to me for the next many years. I have gone down the G-sync road, and i think more and more people are.

AngryGoldfish
04-07-17, 05:08 PM
Well right now it doesn't perform anywhere near the 1080. It's a bit of a 50/50 catfight with the 1070. Even with the fan at 3000 RPM the card maxed out at 1524, and mostly floated in the 1300-1400mhz range. I still do not see how AMD are going to get an air cooled card to boost higher than that, given the limitations of the cooling. It also chews down more power than a 1080Ti. Over 100W more than a 1080.

I am a huge AMD fan. I have been since 2000, when they started making Slot Athlons. However as I have said, their GPU department leaves a lot to be desired. Fact is the last truly epic range topping GPU they made was the 5870 and that wasn't even them it was ATI. The 6000 series left a lot to be desired, the 7000 series were good at launch but soon caught and matched by Kepler and anything since has been hot and guzzled down power.

So that means if I was loyal enough to buy a Vega (which I'm not) then I would need to put it under water, adding at least £100 to the price. Fury X blocks were £120, due to the HBM needing a much bigger die area of copper.

If every game became a well optimised DX12 game as of tomorrow (ain't gonna happen) then AMD might sort of be onto something. It's obviously never going to be a 4k card unless all of a sudden everything tomorrow was coded in Vulkan, so the HBM2 is another big fat expensive waste of time.

I saw Polaris as a complete success. Maybe AMD just need to stick to stuff like that.

We'll have to see. I really don't know what's going to happen. I'm speculating and hoping, but Vega could be an even bigger disappointment than Fiji. We'll have to see.

I also think that maybe AMD should stick to low-midrange GPU's and CPU's. It's clear that they are really struggling in the high-end. Even if Vega does come in at what I hope and think it will, it'll be six months late. That's a long time to pass with a lot of sales going to the competitor. That's the biggest issue; not that Vega will underperform but that it will be too late and possibly too expensive.

I base that on it being late. Same performance 1 year later is by my account really not good. If they could do a Ryzen move, same/more performance but 100$ less, that would be truly awesome, but the HBM2 makes me confident that's not possible.

AMD GPUs is lost to me for the next many years. I have gone down the G-sync road, and i think more and more people are.

You can't expect AMD to pull a Ryzen in the GPU sector when Nvidia haven't been pulling an Intel. Do you not see how impossible that would be? HBM2 or GDDR5X, it doesn't matter, that's virtually impossible.

NeverBackDown
04-07-17, 05:52 PM
I base that on it being late. Same performance 1 year later is by my account really not good. If they could do a Ryzen move, same/more performance but 100$ less, that would be truly awesome, but the HBM2 makes me confident that's not possible.

AMD GPUs is lost to me for the next many years. I have gone down the G-sync road, and i think more and more people are.

HBM Technology has nothing to do with it's performance being a hindrance. It's more than fast enough.

I think you should base your opinion off RX Vega instead of being a downer about the FE. Ya'know, the actual gaming card?

AlienALX
04-07-17, 06:13 PM
My biggest concern with Vega (well, concerns) are heat and power use. If we cast our minds back to this...

http://i.imgur.com/lGpkUSR.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/sESjHhR.jpg

Then we can now see that those pics were absolutely genuine, as the FE is identical. Let's look past the power use for now and stick with heat/clocks. If that silver card there with the red lights and letters is the stock card then it is exactly the same as the FE. Which means that basically it will not get anywhere even resembling close to 1600mhz or more. Not without the fan on 100%, and even then you only get about 1500mhz.

So that means that in order to get the limits out of the card you *must* put it under water. The thing is, water guys (don't count me as one, mine is all old s**t cobbled together) do not want to put a mid range card in their PC and spend all of that money to get it going. They want the top end card, which Vega isn't.

So we're back to air, but the air cooler stinks (we already know this).

Unless that silver card in that pic there was an early "non-anodised" sample of the FE then AMD are set to use the same cooling on the retail card. In fact, I really can't see how they can really change it *that much* between the FE and retail. Meaning we have a huge problem.

NBD - we have what we can all but imagine is a full fat Vega core with 16GB HBM2. I don't know what more you were expecting?

As for drivers, BTW, why would AMD want the FE to stink and save it for the desktop arena when they are asking a cool grand for this card? yeah, can't see it.

NeverBackDown
04-07-17, 06:18 PM
If you cannot see the point about drivers then there is no point in trying to discuss it.

If you also believe they won't have anything more than a reference cooler then there is even less of a point.

Korreborg
04-07-17, 06:20 PM
HBM Technology has nothing to do with it's performance being a hindrance. It's more than fast enough.

I think you should base your opinion off RX Vega instead of being a downer about the FE. Ya'know, the actual gaming card?
The HBM2 hinders the price and availability of the card. Not performance.

And I have written it multiple times. I just don't see the possibility of the gaming card being A LOT better than the FE. Maybe 1080 level. But IMO you are dreaming if you still expect the gaming card to be awesome.
If a Vega with a awesome cooler can hit 1600-1700mhz, it also stops competing with the 1080 FE. And then it is up against 1080 card that can maintain 2000+ mhz because of an awesome cooler.

Korreborg
04-07-17, 06:23 PM
If you cannot see the point about drivers then there is no point in trying to discuss it.

If you also believe they won't have anything more than a reference cooler then there is even less of a point.

Drivers can't give the card more power. It can optimize the use of the power. I don't see this raising the performance by 20%

AlienALX
04-07-17, 06:40 PM
The HBM2 hinders the price and availability of the card. Not performance.

And I have written it multiple times. I just don't see the possibility of the gaming card being A LOT better than the FE. Maybe 1080 level. But IMO you are dreaming if you still expect the gaming card to be awesome.
If a Vega with a awesome cooler can hit 1600-1700mhz, it also stops competing with the 1080 FE. And then it is up against 1080 card that can maintain 2000+ mhz because of an awesome cooler.

It's not just the awesome cooler on the 1080 that allows it to clock that high. It's mainly because it is a tiny little die that cost little to make, but due to it not being overloaded with stuff can clock to hell. Big cards like Vega will never clock that high.

Drivers can't give the card more power. It can optimize the use of the power. I don't see this raising the performance by 20%

I think the drivers (like all AMD cards) will improve the performance over time, but yeah, not 20%. I don't think the drivers are the problem any way in all honesty, more the clock speeds and thermal throttling. If AMD can't get past that and clock it higher then it will be what we already see with the FE.

Funny how every one expects the Vega gaming card to perform better really. If this card is not for gaming on then why does it have a gaming mode? :headscratch:

THE most critical part of Vega is allowing vendors to add their own cooling/PCB design. Then, and only then, can this Fermi turn into a GTX 480 Lightning (IMO of course). That is the only way I can see that they could prove me wrong. And if they get all precious like they did with Fury X it will be an absolute disaster.

That, IMO, is the only remaining question I have. How much wood would a... Wait, no no, how high could it clock with proper cooling?

Korreborg
04-07-17, 06:45 PM
My point with 2000+ MHz was that if the Vega FE is behind by 15%, then gets a better cooler and a overclock. The the comparison is not towards the 1080 FE, it also needs to be against a 1080 with a better cooler and an overclock.

AlienALX
04-07-17, 06:53 PM
My point with 2000+ MHz was that if the Vega FE is behind by 15%, then gets a better cooler and a overclock. The the comparison is not towards the 1080 FE, it also needs to be against a 1080 with a better cooler and an overclock.

The differences with the 1080 will be smaller. Reason being, they already boost like crazy. The boost on the Vega we have seen is far smaller. In fact, for the most part it can only boost 100mhz or so due to the poor cooler.

That is where AMD could gain back ground.

Korreborg
04-07-17, 07:06 PM
The differences with the 1080 will be smaller. Reason being, they already boost like crazy. The boost on the Vega we have seen is far smaller. In fact, for the most part it can only boost 100mhz or so due to the poor cooler.

That is where AMD could gain back ground.
Arr you are right. I'm thinking of 1080ti. My FE quickly drops to around 1750-1800mhz, and they can do 2000+ with a good cooler so the gain can be 10%+

NeverBackDown
04-07-17, 07:15 PM
Drivers can't give the card more power. It can optimize the use of the power. I don't see this raising the performance by 20%

You must not have been around computers long then. You'd know how wrong you are otherwise. I'll point you to AMDs driver from October 2011 for your research reference.

Either way I am out of this Vega talk, it's not going to change anyone's opinion and besides this is a quick news thread.

Warchild
05-07-17, 11:14 AM
Guys this is quick news. Make a thread if you want to discuss it.

AlienALX
05-07-17, 03:22 PM
Ram prices going up again.


http://hexus.net/business/news/components/107617-micron-dram-factory-mishap-taiwan-results-fab-suspension/

WYP
05-07-17, 03:44 PM
Ram prices going up again.


http://hexus.net/business/news/components/107617-micron-dram-factory-mishap-taiwan-results-fab-suspension/

Reports from Micron themselves refute this story.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/memory/micron_denies_reports_that_their_fab-2_has_closed_down_after_a_major_malfunction/1

The sad thing is that Microns statement was released before the Hexus article was.

AlienALX
05-07-17, 03:50 PM
Reports from Micron themselves refute this story.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/memory/micron_denies_reports_that_their_fab-2_has_closed_down_after_a_major_malfunction/1

The sad thing is that Microns statement was released before this article was.

Shame no one told OCUK who have stuffed up all of their ram prices today :rolleyes:

WYP
05-07-17, 04:05 PM
Shame no one told OCUK who have stuffed up all of their ram prices today :rolleyes:

That is the sad thing about commodities, rumours can cause the same pricing changes even if they are false. The market will react regardless, even if temporarily.

TheF34RChannel
05-07-17, 05:24 PM
That is the sad thing about commodities, rumours can cause the same pricing changes even if they are false. The market will react regardless, even if temporarily.

And for what, a few clicks on Hexus :(

Additionally, we need RAM prices to come down again, not up.

WYP
05-07-17, 05:44 PM
And for what, a few clicks on Hexus :(

Additionally, we need RAM prices to come down again, not up.

Yeah, it would be nice to see RAM become more affordable.

The rumours didn't originate with Hexus, so they are not to blame. They did propagate false information, but I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and say it was unintentional. Even so the article is still unchanged.

TheF34RChannel
05-07-17, 05:47 PM
Yeah, it would be nice to see RAM become more affordable.

The rumours didn't originate with Hexus, so they are not to blame. They did propagate false information, but I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and say it was unintentional. Even so the article is still unchanged.

Ah I thought they were the source, my mistake.

RAM prices, and for that matter GPU prices (which may remain high forever now that they've tasted the miner money) -- but I digress.

TheF34RChannel
06-07-17, 02:46 PM
Answering Assassin's Creed Origin' lingering questions

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Dicehunter
06-07-17, 04:02 PM
Yeah, it would be nice to see RAM become more affordable.

The rumours didn't originate with Hexus, so they are not to blame. They did propagate false information, but I will give the writer the benefit of the doubt and say it was unintentional. Even so the article is still unchanged.

I'd love to get some Corsair Vengeance Red LED memory 3200MHz - 2 x 8GB sticks but it costs £160, Stupidly over the top expensive for what it is, I could afford it but on principle I will not pay that price.

NeverBackDown
06-07-17, 05:27 PM
I'd love to get some Corsair Vengeance Red LED memory 3200MHz - 2 x 8GB sticks but it costs £160, Stupidly over the top expensive for what it is, I could afford it but on principle I will not pay that price.

Cost almost as much as entire new phone i need to buy...

Dicehunter
06-07-17, 05:38 PM
Cost almost as much as entire new phone i need to buy...

I couldn't justify paying over £20 for a phone, I have never seen the attraction of having a smartphone, I use my phone to contact clients and as an alarm, Nothing else.

This is my phone ^_^

http://images.samsung.com/is/image/samsung/in_SM-B110EZKDINS_000000001_Front_black_thumb?$M-Thumbnail$

On nights out I've noticed 3/4 of the pub or cafe is just people with their faces in their phones, I think it's become a serious social disorder now.

AlienALX
06-07-17, 05:39 PM
My phone is kinda big. 5.5". I want a 6" though because I do not have a tablet. Having said that my little Macbook kinda kicks any tablet's ass, so I don't really need anything.

I might switch back to my Blackberry Passport soon though. Really miss the key pad !

AlienALX
06-07-17, 07:57 PM
OMG. So let's say I am glad I dodged Vega.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l6Uc5kBrxY

Vega VS Fury X IPC (instructions per clock, so same MHZ tests)

Wow. Now tests like that are awesome. So Vega is basically Fury X with higher clocks.

TheF34RChannel
06-07-17, 08:03 PM
Yep, and now they can restart the hyping up by saying "Navi is going to be the real card that will beat blah blah" - just like they did with Polaris and Vega. (falling asleep) :p

All joking aside, it's a sad reality, wish Vega was much better.

AlienALX
06-07-17, 08:04 PM
Yep, and now they can restart the hyping up by saying "Navi is going to be the real card that will beat blah blah" - just like they did with Polaris and Vega. (falling asleep) :p

All joking aside, it's a sad reality, wish Vega was much better.

Aye, it's crazy and a little poo at the same time.

TheF34RChannel
06-07-17, 08:05 PM
Aye, it's crazy and a little poo at the same time.

History keeps repeating itself and we're all paying the price for it.

AlienALX
06-07-17, 08:13 PM
History keeps repeating itself and we're all paying the price for it.

AMD need to go back to the metal like they did with Ryzen. Yes it takes time, and yes it costs money, but at least you can compete *waves fist*.

So Vega is basically Honey I Shrunk The Fury X. With added HBM2 for extra costs.

I really hope it was cheap tbh.

Vipermk2
06-07-17, 08:14 PM
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AlienALX
06-07-17, 08:18 PM
That thing is a monster !

NeverBackDown
06-07-17, 08:20 PM
OMG. So let's say I am glad I dodged Vega.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0l6Uc5kBrxY

Vega VS Fury X IPC (instructions per clock, so same MHZ tests)

Wow. Now tests like that are awesome. So Vega is basically Fury X with higher clocks.

You are getting pretty annoying with all the Vega hate.
You literally are bagging on them for a Pro card. That whole thing was clickbait. They are not even using official Vega drivers. No review has used them, so why do you keep bringing it up?

AlienALX
06-07-17, 08:57 PM
You are getting pretty annoying with all the Vega hate.
You literally are bagging on them for a Pro card. That whole thing was clickbait. They are not even using official Vega drivers. No review has used them, so why do you keep bringing it up?

The Nvidia Titan X (Pascal, non Geforce model) is a pro card too. However, when you bench it against the Vega it rips the Vega to bits. IMO a Vega core running games is not clickbait. I keep bringing it up because it's recent news/information. If you don't think it's relevant then why are you getting annoyed?

It's not Vega hate. It's just the facts. Facts AMD have kept from us for ages (have you wondered why?).

As for the drivers? so what drivers are they using then? last time I checked if you didn't install the correct driver then the card simply wouldn't show up as it should in Device Manager.

I explained before that there *must* be wrappers/drivers/OGL drivers etc in the drivers Vega is using. There absolutely must, because if there was not when you tried to load a game that used (for example) DX11 you would get an error.

My last card was a Fury X. Even though it was nowhere near as good as the 980Ti at the time (at launch it was poop) because I wanted to support AMD and stick the finger up at Nvidia. I'm not doing it this time, however. Fool me once etc.

BTW as for the politics? AMD shouldn't have hidden the performance and come out with classics such as "Compared to the 1080Ti the performance is very nice !". They've deliberately and purposely hidden the performance. Why? because it's going to be ZOMFG FANNYTASTIC? nah dude, they've hidden it because it's pants.

Spade a spade, and all that. If they didn't want people to buy Nvidia cards and Vega was that good I assure you they would have let it out. They dropped savage hints about Ryzen performance before it was even out.

TheF34RChannel
06-07-17, 09:48 PM
They used the one and only driver that exists - confirmed by PCPER who have two Vega cards. I recommend watching today's stream by them, they discuss Vega for a good halve hour at least. They are also unbiased in my opinion.

Damien c
07-07-17, 06:43 AM
You are getting pretty annoying with all the Vega hate.
You literally are bagging on them for a Pro card. That whole thing was clickbait. They are not even using official Vega drivers. No review has used them, so why do you keep bringing it up?


How about the card being tested in "Game Mode" which the drivers have a option for.


www.youtube.com/watch?v=yudueaG5_rE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yudueaG5_rE)


To me the card is not going to compete with nVidia's top end GPU's but I never expected it to compete against them.


AMD when it comes to graphics now are pretty much great for mid range but not worth looking at for high end/enthusiast unless, you only play games in DX12 and only in the games where they have a lead.


I really wish AMD had card's to compete against the 1080Ti but currently they don't and I cannot, see how the more "Gaming" orientated card's are going to offer such a massive increase in performance over the FE card, that they are going to easily compete with the 1080 or 1080Ti.


I mean honestly nVidia are probably already sat ready to release either 1180 or 2080 which ever they end up calling it, which will offer probably a 5% improvement over a 1080Ti and cost just as much.

Korreborg
07-07-17, 08:19 AM
I mean honestly nVidia are probably already sat ready to release either 1180 or 2080 which ever they end up calling it, which will offer probably a 5% improvement over a 1080Ti and cost just as much.
I'm annoyed with Intel for their 5% performance jump. But IMO Nvidia is not like that. Look at 780ti vs 980ti vs 1080ti.
That's huge jumps. I bought a 4670k and a 780ti now I have bought a used 4790k and a 1080ti. It simply doesn't make sense to upgrade the hole computer. Even ryzen does not make sense to a gamer.

AlienALX
07-07-17, 09:07 AM
I'm annoyed with Intel for their 5% performance jump. But IMO Nvidia is not like that. Look at 780ti vs 980ti vs 1080ti.
That's huge jumps. I bought a 4670k and a 780ti now I have bought a used 4790k and a 1080ti. It simply doesn't make sense to upgrade the hole computer. Even ryzen does not make sense to a gamer.

Going back a little..

The Titan came out for £799. Why? because AMD had nothing. Then the 290 comes along for £450 or whatever it was and Nvidia released the 780. Then, because the 290x is faster than the 780 Nvidia released the 780Ti.

With the 980Ti they had no expectation of the performance of the Fury X. It was good on paper though. So yeah, Nvidia panic launched the 980Ti about two weeks before the Fury X with a decent price and decent performance. However, since then they have started to milk things.

They now know that Vega will not compete with the 1080Ti and their Titan card so they have jacked up the prices and they are remaining constantly high. The 1080 has been out for around a year now and costs more now than it did (or was supposed to cost) at launch. They've also come out last week and said that they will not be moving onto Volta for the time being. IE - "Look, Vega doesn't worry us at all so let's keep charging up to £600 for a tiny little 1080 die".

So yeah, things have changed since the 980Ti.

TheF34RChannel
07-07-17, 09:22 AM
When and where did they say they won't move onto Volta any time soon for that particular reason? I missed that or my memory fails me. I think they didn't quite say that and Volta is still on its original schedule.

HJ1mech
07-07-17, 11:32 AM
Looks like AGESA 1.0.0.6 has been released for the MSI B350 motherboards. I saw it on the US support page this morning before heading to work.

AlienALX
07-07-17, 01:21 PM
When and where did they say they won't move onto Volta any time soon for that particular reason? I missed that or my memory fails me. I think they didn't quite say that and Volta is still on its original schedule.

I can't find it. Sure I saw it somewhere though.

AngryGoldfish
07-07-17, 02:03 PM
I think I was the one that posted the rumour, IIRC. I don't think it's true though.

AlienALX
07-07-17, 02:08 PM
I think I was the one that posted the rumour, IIRC. I don't think it's true though.

In a way it already is. Volta was supposed to be with us in 2017. I would imagine probably a year after the 1080. However that has now changed to 2018.

Not that it matters too much. 1080s are still selling for more than they were at launch lol.

TheF34RChannel
07-07-17, 02:39 PM
In a way it already is. Volta was supposed to be with us in 2017. I would imagine probably a year after the 1080. However that has now changed to 2018.

Not that it matters too much. 1080s are still selling for more than they were at launch lol.

Prices better come down before Volta hits the consumer market...

AlienALX
07-07-17, 07:57 PM
Prices better come down before Volta hits the consumer market...

Well the 1080Ti FE officially hit £698 on OCUK today. Funny that.. A week after Vega launched and prices go up. I'm so glad I bought my Titan XP now. I can only see it getting worse..

Korreborg
07-07-17, 08:39 PM
But as I remember it, the launch price was even higher? I payed 740£ for my FE I think.

AlienALX
07-07-17, 08:48 PM
But as I remember it, the launch price was even higher? I payed 740£ for my FE I think.

You could get a reasonable card for £650 for a while. All going up now though :S

TheF34RChannel
07-07-17, 08:59 PM
Well the 1080Ti FE officially hit £698 on OCUK today. Funny that.. A week after Vega launched and prices go up. I'm so glad I bought my Titan XP now. I can only see it getting worse..

I simply will refuse to buy a Volta GPU at such inflated prices. I don't care how good it is.

AngryGoldfish
07-07-17, 09:31 PM
Isn't the price hike to do with the currency exchange?

AlienALX
07-07-17, 09:43 PM
I simply will refuse to buy a Volta GPU at such inflated prices. I don't care how good it is.

If you want value then buy Volta Titan as soon as it lands. I know, it sounds crazy right but I bought my Titan Blacks for £699 each and when Titan X launched I got around £450 each for them.

I bought my Titan X (M) for £500 all in. I had it 16 months and just sold it for £325 and if I had been greedy I could have actually gotten back every penny putting it on Ebay and separating the parts (back plate, EVGA Hybrid, stock card). I just wanted it gone quick though.

But yeah, basically I have paid £350 for a Titan XP with the sale of that card. That's not much money man, Titans hold their value strong like Apples and Alienwares !

It's also the longest lasting card in terms of performance. If you buy it on day one you get around 18 months being at the top of the ladder.

My philosophy with PCs has always been spend as much as you can afford to. Save up and dodge all of the light weight stuff that's like McDonalds. IE - you eat it all, burp and you are hungry again.

TheF34RChannel
07-07-17, 09:57 PM
Angry: nah it seems prices shot up due to them miners. Hence every vendor rushed out dedicated mining cards; moar money in new market segment with halve the warranty.

Alien: you've done well! The thing is, I don't want a Titan nor a blower style card (or fiddling with replacing the cooler). I'd like a regular Volta but preferably a putative Volta Ti (and losing much value for my current 1080 but alas). - - I'm not sure what to make of your analogy sorry, must be my being Dutch?

Dicehunter
08-07-17, 12:13 AM
AMD need to go back to the metal like they did with Ryzen. Yes it takes time, and yes it costs money, but at least you can compete *waves fist*.

So Vega is basically Honey I Shrunk The Fury X. With added HBM2 for extra costs.

I really hope it was cheap tbh.

Yep, The odd thing is many people expect the RX version which will be the same core, Core count, Exact same architecture etc.... with probably slightly less memory, To be magically 50% faster due to drivers ^_^

NeverBackDown
08-07-17, 12:43 AM
Yep, The odd thing is many people expect the RX version which will be the same core, Core count, Exact same architecture etc.... with probably slightly less memory, To be magically 50% faster due to drivers ^_^

It's been done before.

Dicehunter
08-07-17, 12:44 AM
It's been done before.

Would be an instant buy for me if it turns out that way but I just can't see it.

NeverBackDown
08-07-17, 12:47 AM
Would be an instant buy for me if it turns out that way but I just can't see it.

Nobody expected it to be done before but it is possible. Do I expect 50%? No. But I suspect top Vega will be between a 1080 and 1080ti. There will always be those specific situations that Vega may top the Ti, but I do not expect it to be as fast/faster as a general rule

Dicehunter
08-07-17, 12:55 AM
Nobody expected it to be done before but it is possible. Do I expect 50%? No. But I suspect top Vega will be between a 1080 and 1080ti. There will always be those specific situations that Vega may top the Ti, but I do not expect it to be as fast/faster as a general rule

In DudeRandoms video he tested the FE with Crysis 3 at 1440P max settings and 2 x MSAA, It got around 40-60FPS with the majority of the time living in the 40's, The same settings and res and you are looking at around 90-100FPS with a 1080 Ti with the majority of the time living in the 90's, Even with drivers that raise the performance by 50% you are still looking at a good 40FPS slower than a 1080 Ti, That's quite disappointing.

I know it's only 1 x game but I'm a little worried for AMD, If Vega tanks they will lose a bucket load of cash :(

Korreborg
08-07-17, 04:54 AM
It's been done before.
As a Danish politician said the other day. "only fools argues from exceptions" ;)
Just because something happened once in history, don't argue from that fact. Look at the 99 other times.
Beeing on par with a 1080 is still a fail, it's over a year to late.

Dicehunter
08-07-17, 06:31 AM
As a Danish politician said the other day. "only fools argues from exceptions" ;)
Just because something happened once in history, don't argue from that fact. Look at the 99 other times.
Being on par with a 1080 is still a fail, it's over a year to late.

Looking at the "leaked" benchmark that shows it is roughly on par with the 1080 had me interested so I looked at other 1080 OC results on 3DMark11 and they overtake the results shown with some 1080's getting 34K and seeing as AMD cards as of late tend not to be too good at overclocking it looks like the RX-Vega will be behind a 1080.

AlienALX
08-07-17, 10:03 AM
As a Danish politician said the other day. "only fools argues from exceptions" ;)
Just because something happened once in history, don't argue from that fact. Look at the 99 other times.
Beeing on par with a 1080 is still a fail, it's over a year to late.

Being on par with a 1080 is not a fail. Charging £499 for it is a fail, which is what the rumoured price is supposed to be. That's only about £30 less than the 1080 and it eats 100w more.

NeverBackDown
08-07-17, 06:56 PM
As a Danish politician said the other day. "only fools argues from exceptions" ;)
Just because something happened once in history, don't argue from that fact. Look at the 99 other times.
Beeing on par with a 1080 is still a fail, it's over a year to late.

It is not an exception. I am not making any excuses. It's the same situation right now.

Dicehunter
08-07-17, 07:05 PM
It is not an exception. I am not making any excuses. It's the same situation right now.

It's gonna suck dude, It's gonna suck hard !

AngryGoldfish
08-07-17, 07:12 PM
Here's a thought:

If the 1080Ti didn't exist, or even the Titan XP/Xp, in their current forms. As in, the 1080Ti was only slightly faster than the 1080 and the Titan was slightly faster again. Would Vega suck? A 1080Ti that is 15% faster than a 1080 that costs $700 and a Titan that is 20% faster that costs $1200. Would Vega suck? If Vega is $600 (very possible) and is 5-10% faster than a 1080, would that be considered a failure?

I personally don't think so. I think Vega is going to fail because of Nvidia, not because of AMD, though they are to blame as well. Alien and others (I'm including myself here) are criticising AMD's decisions, but I think it has more to do with the competition being so much better at the game.

So here's a thought:

Vega doesn't suck. Pascal is just too good.

TheF34RChannel
08-07-17, 08:06 PM
So here's a thought:

Vega doesn't suck. Pascal is just too good.

The end result is the same, and it's the end result that matters, not the way one looks at the whole.

AngryGoldfish
08-07-17, 08:13 PM
The end result is the same, and it's the end result that matters, not the way one looks at the whole.

But it does matter. If you stop comparing Vega against Pascal, AMD is seen in a different light. If AMD is seen in a different light, hype subsides, as it should, and people stop hoping for a miracle. Other people read this forum; newcomers and newbies. We're the ones that have hyped Vega to be something it might never have been. Why? Because of Nvidia. Also because of AMD but mostly because of Nvidia. The end product might be the same, but the popularity of it changes and thus the popularity of AMD changes. It comes back to the Mind Share thing. The more times we moan about Vega the less likely people are to buy it and thus the situation worsens until AMD's Zen for the GPU is released. Will that be Navi? We don't know.

Excalabur50
09-07-17, 12:00 AM
But it does matter. If you stop comparing Vega against Pascal, AMD is seen in a different light. If AMD is seen in a different light, hype subsides, as it should, and people stop hoping for a miracle. Other people read this forum; newcomers and newbies. We're the ones that have hyped Vega to be something it might never have been. Why? Because of Nvidia. Also because of AMD but mostly because of Nvidia. The end product might be the same, but the popularity of it changes and thus the popularity of AMD changes. It comes back to the Mind Share thing. The more times we moan about Vega the less likely people are to buy it and thus the situation worsens until AMD's Zen for the GPU is released. Will that be Navi? We don't know.

Comparing AMD to AMD isn't real world dude, there is competition, sure it's better than their older stuff but the same can be said for all companies relatively speaking of course, and they are getting spanked

mb67
09-07-17, 04:33 AM
As a Danish politician said the other day. "only fools argues from exceptions" ;)
Just because something happened once in history, don't argue from that fact. Look at the 99 other times.
Beeing on par with a 1080 is still a fail, it's over a year to late.

By that logic, then nobody should release anything because it isn't the absolute top of the heap.

Korreborg
09-07-17, 08:33 AM
By that logic, then nobody should release anything because it isn't the absolute top of the heap.

The logic here is they have hinted top of the heap performance. Nvidia have sold tons of 1070 and 1080 in the last year, and ALOT of 1080 because of the constant waiting for Vega. = Fail for AMD. Even if the card is good enough. The people that needs to buy the card, have already bought something else. And only the core AMD buyer is left.

And in all these talks, nobody talks about Nvidia's next move. Lets say RX Vega hits marked. It's 5-10% better than 1080. It costs 600$.
But it still have HBM2, so Nvidia drops the 1070 - 1080 price = win for consumer but BAD for AMD

AngryGoldfish
09-07-17, 11:35 AM
Comparing AMD to AMD isn't real world dude, there is competition, sure it's better than their older stuff but the same can be said for all companies relatively speaking of course, and they are getting spanked

It's true that this is all tied to relativity. No matter how you spin it Vega will be more powerful than Fiji, and just because that is so it does not mean Vega will be a success. However the idea of comparing Vega against Nvidia's flagship isn't doing AMD or consumers any favours. They are not getting spanked, not in the way you are suggesting. The card is not released yet. We don't know its pricing or its final performance levels. We know that Polaris and Fiji favours DX12 well, but as we've seen recently Vega favours it even more so, meaning the gap between Nvidia and AMD in those fields could widen once again. As Jim from AdoredTV pointed out in his most recent upload, Vega is already matching a GTX 1080 in an ancient benchmark that has always favoured high clock speeds (Nvidia) and DX11 (Nvidia). I think it's wrong to suggest that within a year Vega 10 will beat a 1080Ti, but I think beating a 1080 is all that Vega was supposed to do. That is the bigger market.

I'll say this again: Back in late 2016 when Vega was properly announced, I wanted a card that matched a 1080 in DX11 games but easily beat it in DX12 games for $600. That is likely what we're going to get, and it's what I asked for. However that has changed since then. Why? Because of Nvidia. Yet somehow everyone is blaming AMD. The attitude is the issue. The attitude is what I'm talking about, not economics or business. People are blaming AMD for a poor card when all it is is late. Our attitude partially helps shape the market and the value of Vega. If we go back to what we originally wanted and were more conservative with our estimations, suddenly AMD is seen in a different light. Perspective is what I'm talking about. The issue then goes back to availability, AMD's biggest failing. Vega has taken too long.

Now of course, that then goes back to relativity. If AMD released Vega two years from now would I be saying the same thing? No. That's unreasonable. But six months too late is not unreasonable to say what I'm saying. It's reasonable for consumers to buy the competition, but not to accuse AMD of failing.

AlienALX
09-07-17, 11:38 AM
So here's a thought:

Vega doesn't suck. Pascal is just too good.

That is a warming thought. Sadly it's also a warming tech, and uses ridonkulous amounts of power.

Do you know what I see as the biggest problem for Vega? Over the past couple of years CPUs have used so little power (and GPUs too) that a lot of people have built rigs with 450/500W PSUs. Not only that but PSUs have shot up in price. You are now looking at over £50 for a decent 500W unit. In fact, no, more than that. About £80 for something truly decent.

Then you have a GPU coming out that uses over 300W and 100w more than a 1080. So that means for many that they would need to weigh up their power reqs and maybe buy a new PSU.

Which is a bit daft.. AMD have rumoured $499 which is £499 or worse with the current climate. Just checked and you can get a 1080 for £518 right now (Jetstream).

Why would you save £19 and then have to put up with the thermals and power use of the Vega?

Power has always been a massive call of debate on any hardware

People only started getting really interested in it since the I7 920 came out. And those things (and chips thereafter) used a ton of power. The 950 IIRC was 140w stock. They also got really hot too.

So yeah, since Sandy (and the enormous drop in power reqs since) people are hot on that (pardon the awful pun lol) and 100w is a country mile more power than the 1080.

AngryGoldfish
09-07-17, 12:36 PM
That is a warming thought. Sadly it's also a warming tech, and uses ridonkulous amounts of power.

Do you know what I see as the biggest problem for Vega? Over the past couple of years CPUs have used so little power (and GPUs too) that a lot of people have built rigs with 450/500W PSUs. Not only that but PSUs have shot up in price. You are now looking at over £50 for a decent 500W unit. In fact, no, more than that. About £80 for something truly decent.

Then you have a GPU coming out that uses over 300W and 100w more than a 1080. So that means for many that they would need to weigh up their power reqs and maybe buy a new PSU.

Which is a bit daft.. AMD have rumoured $499 which is £499 or worse with the current climate. Just checked and you can get a 1080 for £518 right now (Jetstream).

Why would you save £19 and then have to put up with the thermals and power use of the Vega?

Power has always been a massive call of debate on any hardware

People only started getting really interested in it since the I7 920 came out. And those things (and chips thereafter) used a ton of power. The 950 IIRC was 140w stock. They also got really hot too.

So yeah, since Sandy (and the enormous drop in power reqs since) people are hot on that (pardon the awful pun lol) and 100w is a country mile more power than the 1080.

We don't know final power consumption details or temperatures. While the Frontier Edition is the best place to start, it is just that, a start. As we've seen with Polaris, temperatures and power consumption can dramatically be decreased by undervolting and with improvements to the silicon. Polaris was always an efficient architecture, but maybe AMD rushed it out with high clock speeds and 'better to be safe than sorry' voltages. Using Radeon Chill and WattMan you could reach 1060 levels of efficiency. While this is not an excuse per say, it does detail the potential of Polaris and in turn the potential... potential of Vega. If AMD are rushing it out at 1600Mhz and want it to be stable they might be cranking voltages and power delivery to the max, but with the right silicon you might be able to drop it right down without dramatically decreasing performance. This is just optimistic stipulation of course because we don't know, and also it would suck to have to manually do that if you want an ITX AMD system. Either way, I don't see it being a huge issue. Most consumers have at least 550W PSU's and I can't see them being incapable of running Vega. It can run an overclocked 1080Ti and that draws more power than a stock Fury X and about as much as Vega FE. Besides who is paying $600 for a graphics card and £50 a PSU? There are definitely people out there doing that, but I don't think it's a huge demographic and could be an issue with Nvidia hardware as well.

Edit: Actually, I take that back. FE is drawing too much power for a 550W according to Gamers Nexus tests.

Tolemac
09-07-17, 01:23 PM
Just checked and you can get a 1080 for £518 right now (Jetstream).


Yup the same place Bonkers and myself got ours for £425 in May lol :D

AlienALX
09-07-17, 01:31 PM
Yup the same place Bonkers and myself got ours for £425 in May lol :D

Mining has pushed the prices back up. Which sucks, because the only place you can get reasonable £ per performance is the 1070 and above.

TheF34RChannel
09-07-17, 05:17 PM
Mining has pushed the prices back up. Which sucks, because the only place you can get reasonable £ per performance is the 1070 and above.

It's agreed then; we don't like miners. :D

Tolemac
09-07-17, 05:38 PM
It's agreed then; we don't like miners. :D

Especially the small Dwarfs :p

mb67
09-07-17, 05:49 PM
The logic here is they have hinted top of the heap performance. Nvidia have sold tons of 1070 and 1080 in the last year, and ALOT of 1080 because of the constant waiting for Vega. = Fail for AMD. Even if the card is good enough. The people that needs to buy the card, have already bought something else. And only the core AMD buyer is left.

And in all these talks, nobody talks about Nvidia's next move. Lets say RX Vega hits marked. It's 5-10% better than 1080. It costs 600$.
But it still have HBM2, so Nvidia drops the 1070 - 1080 price = win for consumer but BAD for AMD

Have they, or is it media/fan expectation?

AngryGoldfish
09-07-17, 05:55 PM
http://i.imgur.com/nNAI0bD.jpg

WYP
10-07-17, 08:38 AM
Remember guys, this is a quick news thread. If you want to create a proper discussion you should make a full thread on it.

TheF34RChannel
11-07-17, 03:50 AM
Xeon Scalable Processor “Skylake-SP” detailed

NDA ends today at 9:15 AM PDT. No comments, just slides.

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/07/Xeon-Scaleable-Processor-8.jpg

More: https://videocardz.com/70874/intels-epyc-response-xeon-scalable-processor-skylake-sp

NeverBackDown
11-07-17, 05:53 AM
I wouldn't call it truly scalable. All they did was add a revised interconnect and redesign the paths each core communicates with each other. It's still essentially the same thing they have now, if you want a more/less powerful cpu, you need to disable cores. It's not like Ryzen where they can quite literally remove a whole CCX and the CPU still functions properly or in the EPYC case, they just add more CCX's on a die. Intel is still in a 2 Dimensional phase per say compared to AMD, and no don't take that literally. It was the best comparison I could think of to describe it atm...
Not saying it's not impressive, but them saying it is entirely scalable is purely a marketing thing. It's a step in the right direction, modular micro architecture's seem to be the best way forward to keep up with Moore's Law until we are able to use a different material composition since Silicon is at it's limits.

TheF34RChannel
11-07-17, 09:46 PM
AMD Radeon RX VEGA XTX, VEGA XT and VEGA XL revealed

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/05/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-Liquid-Cooled.jpg

This is how RX Vega XTX may actually look like

https://videocardz.com/70890/amd-radeon-rx-vega-xtx-vega-xt-and-vega-xl

NeverBackDown
11-07-17, 09:59 PM
I find it interesting that an AIO consumes 90watts...

AngryGoldfish
11-07-17, 10:05 PM
Probably higher clock speeds. If a water cooled Vega is the performance we've seen so far that's beating a 1080, and that's the only way to do it, I'd be annoyed.

Korreborg
11-07-17, 10:32 PM
Probably higher clock speeds. If a water cooled Vega is the performance we've seen so far that's beating a 1080, and that's the only way to do it, I'd be annoyed.
But maybe its possible to custom air/watercool the XT, and then flash it to XTX
It would be annoying to have to buy a AIO watercooled card at an added cost, to just not use the cooler.

AlienALX
12-07-17, 05:14 AM
Probably higher clock speeds. If a water cooled Vega is the performance we've seen so far that's beating a 1080, and that's the only way to do it, I'd be annoyed.

It's Fury X all over again, hey hey, it's Fury X all over again. Sing it with me !

And from the look of it they are not allowing third party cards either. It's only clocked at 1630 too, which is probably the limit.

Bum Barp !

I like the way they hid the hoses in their sneak peak video a while back lmao. So the air cooled card will do 1430 in an air cooled office with an open test bench. In a regular case?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1U0qvtQnE8

I find it interesting that an AIO consumes 90watts...

It doesn't. That is how much power the card makes at those clocks.

TDP = Thermal design power.

The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by a computer chip or component (often the CPU or GPU) that the cooling system in a computer is designed to dissipate in typical operation.

So basically that is how much power and heat the chip makes at those clocks.

Which makes sense, if it chewed through 300w on a binned card @ 1434mhz.

NeverBackDown
12-07-17, 05:57 AM
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It doesn't. That is how much power the card makes at those clocks.

TDP = Thermal design power.

The thermal design power (TDP), sometimes called thermal design point, is the maximum amount of heat generated by a computer chip or component (often the CPU or GPU) that the cooling system in a computer is designed to dissipate in typical operation.

So basically that is how much power and heat the chip makes at those clocks.

Which makes sense, if it chewed through 300w on a binned card @ 1434mhz.

Good thing I already know all this.
You however seem to have missed what TBP means. That is what I was referring too as was the linked article.

AlienALX
12-07-17, 07:27 AM
I did miss that yes. However, the card is obviously what is using most of that not the cooler. Well, unless AIOs use that much power.

It's pretty obvious that as soon as you push the clocks on the card that power use goes batty. Which is understandable given how many cores/shaders/whatever you want to call them it has.

I tried clocking my Fury X a little while back. I got to 1150. However, anything above the stock clocks stuttered badly in gaming which was odd, because it benched fine.

I really hope this is not a repeat of that and the card actually has a tiny bit of headroom left in it (doubt it).

Mind you I guess that is one of the problems when you are behind. You have to do all of the overclocking yourself to stop your product looking gash.

Korreborg
12-07-17, 08:40 AM
Mind you I guess that is one of the problems when you are behind. You have to do all of the overclocking yourself to stop your product looking gash.
Agreed they need to be as close to/better than 1080, so they have probably given it everything. If they are on par/a bit better in a AMD happy games, they need to do everything they can to not fall to much behind in Nvidia games.

TheF34RChannel
12-07-17, 08:42 PM
New Coffee Lake-S ES with 6C/12T @ 3.2-3.6 GHz + SuperMicro C7Z370-CG-L motherboard show up at SiSoftware database

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_system.php?q=cea598ab9fa79fab9cbadde0cdfcdaa8 95a482ebd6e6c0a895a583fbc6f6d0b5d0edddfb88b58d&l=en

- thanks Sweepr!

Warchild
13-07-17, 09:32 AM
Remember guys, this is a quick news thread. If you want to create a proper discussion you should make a full thread on it.

Do we need to keep posting this over and over? Seems the same people are forgetting time and again that this thread is called quick news for a reason

AlienALX
13-07-17, 12:03 PM
Do we need to keep posting this over and over? Seems the same people are forgetting time and again that this thread is called quick news for a reason

I don't see the problem with it personally. There's not exactly loads of discussion going on in the forum any way.

Mind you if it bothers people we could open a "Quick news discussion" post. Sticky it and sorted. We can argue, I mean discuss things with each other, there :D

Vipermk2
13-07-17, 12:08 PM
Far Cry 5: Game causes online outcry


Popular first-person shooter Far Cry returns for a fifth outing in 2018.
Normally set in "exotic" and fictional locations, the latest instalment of the game has caused an online controversy as this time the game is set in rural Montana and the bad guys are Americans.


}}}BBC News{{{ (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/technology-40508191/far-cry-5-game-causes-online-outcry)

Korreborg
13-07-17, 12:09 PM
Well my first quick news :)

Fell over this:
Colorful iGame GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Neptune W 240mm AIO
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/11637/201706061713054320_678x452.jpg
http://images.anandtech.com/doci/11637/neptune_w_cooling.jpg

This is AIO done right. With full card cooling. The radiator on my 1070 hybrid could get quite toasty, so a 240mm would be ideal for the 1080ti

Found at:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/11637/colorful-announces-igame-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-neptune-w-240mm-radiator

NeverBackDown
13-07-17, 06:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6FaGBz0Lo

Dark Elves reveal trailer.

AlienALX
14-07-17, 10:38 AM
Inside a Chinese hydro powered bitcoin mine.

https://qz.com/1026605/photos-chinas-bitcoin-mines-and-miners/?utm_source=YPL&yptr=yahoo

AlienALX
17-07-17, 12:52 PM
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Liquid-Cooled-Review

WYP
17-07-17, 03:12 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6FaGBz0Lo

Dark Elves reveal trailer.

I cannot wait for this, love Total War, though the Epic Campaign map has me most excited. Effectively the Continents from TWW and TWW2 combined, though obviously, the region count will be lower to make it playable.

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphics-Cards/AMD-Radeon-Vega-Frontier-Edition-16GB-Liquid-Cooled-Review

Interesting, nice to see results from this and that there actually is an improvement.

AMD cannot release the RX Vega fast enough. Will AMD's Gaming drivers help much, was AMD's new rasterizer disabled. Is the RX Vega bandwidth limited without the Rasteriser? So many questions!!!

NeverBackDown
17-07-17, 05:43 PM
I cannot wait for this, love Total War, though the Epic Campaign map has me most excited. Effectively the Continents from TWW and TWW2 combined, though obviously, the region count will be lower to make it playable.



Interesting, nice to see results from this and that there actually is an improvement.

AMD cannot release the RX Vega fast enough. Will AMD's Gaming drivers help much, was AMD's new rasterizer disabled. Is the RX Vega bandwidth limited without the Rasteriser? So many questions!!!

Region count should be the same. They said something about it.. they are waiting to release more information. They aren't being clear about it that's for sure.
The combined campaign is even getting updates to the old world exclusive to W2. Should be fun!

AlienALX
17-07-17, 07:13 PM
Yeah, still many unanswered questions Mark. Gotta say, the 400w+ thing actually scares me though.

WYP
17-07-17, 09:59 PM
Yeah, still many unanswered questions Mark. Gotta say, the 400w+ thing actually scares me though.

New video from Gamers Nexus showing undervolting the GPU improves performance. The Frontier Edition is getting strange by the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkfYDWwo7s

NeverBackDown
17-07-17, 10:09 PM
New video from Gamers Nexus showing undervolting the GPU improves performance. The Frontier Edition is getting strange by the day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZkfYDWwo7s

It's not a gaming card. So I would expect it to be strange for gaming:p
On the other hand, it's not even using good drivers yet, so for professional usage it's not all that impressive either.

TheF34RChannel
17-07-17, 10:13 PM
Undervolting helps... Brilliant lol

@NeverBackDown it's got a gaming mode switch. If they wanted it to be a pure professional card they wouldn't have put that on. Besides, you can game on a Titan and Quadro just fine...

NeverBackDown
17-07-17, 10:18 PM
Undervolting helps... Brilliant lol

@NeverBackDown it's got a gaming mode switch. If they wanted it to be a pure professional card they wouldn't have put that on. Besides, you can game on a Titan and Quadro just fine...

It could have uber gaming super fast mode. It's still a software switch. Which let's face it.. it's software. It will not be doing much of anything. Besides that fact, the drivers aren't even ready yet. It was a rushed launch because they couldn't deliver the consumer cards fast enough to meet the "1H of 2017" mark they mentioned about a dozen times.

You can game on a Titan because it's a gaming card.
You can game on a Quadro sure but it won't be a great experience. They aren't that fast. It's older tech until you get to the super expensive stuff that is out of reach for 99.99999999% of consumers. And since Nvidia has more presence, they got software to optimize for their cards. Not the other way around, which is AMD. So it's easier for Nvidia.

TheF34RChannel
17-07-17, 10:38 PM
It is easier for Nvidia, and 99% cannot afford a Quadro - certainly not for gaming (that'd be insane anyway). Fact remains that what I said is factual. And drivers will improve Vega, they won't, however, prove magical. If only RX Vega was a solid competitor I would pay less for my Nvidia card.

AlienALX
17-07-17, 10:39 PM
IIRC gaming mode is more than a software switch. Apparently it allows the ECC ram to disable the slow ECC mode and run the HBM2 faster for gaming. This has not been confirmed, but yes, that is what I have heard going around the rumour mill.

NeverBackDown
17-07-17, 10:49 PM
It is easier for Nvidia, and 99% cannot afford a Quadro - certainly not for gaming (that'd be insane anyway). Fact remains that what I said is factual. And drivers will improve Vega, they won't, however, prove magical. If only RX Vega was a solid competitor I would pay less for my Nvidia card.

You said nothing factual at all. You merely brought up Nvidia's own products.
Drivers will improve. It's naive to not think so. I never claimed it would be magical, however to expect more efficient drivers to not improve performance is like saying better track tires won't improve your lap times. You don't even know how RX Vega performs yet, why get so far ahead of yourself like everybody else?
People also forget to realize this is a non gaming card running on another crappy reference cooler. Why did you expect so much? I mean on top of the bad drivers and buggy ones to boot, it's no wonder it's not running great.
Aftermarket cards cannot come soon enough for RX Vega. I just hope AMD have allowed them enough time to actually make them. Hopes are not high though. They've screwed that up with every product(even ryzen) since the R9 290 series launched.

TheF34RChannel
17-07-17, 10:58 PM
I didn't expect much at all; in fact I precisely expected what it is and it left me unimpressed.

Ehm yes what I said is factual:

It's got a gaming switch.
You can game on its direct competitors: Titan / Quadro.

Not factual would have been: its got a pink cooler.

So you tell me what the gaming switch is for ;)

Sorry if it seemed I put words in your mouth, not intended mate.

Dicehunter
18-07-17, 02:19 AM
Undervolting helps... Brilliant lol

@NeverBackDown it's got a gaming mode switch. If they wanted it to be a pure professional card they wouldn't have put that on. Besides, you can game on a Titan and Quadro just fine...

That's quite true, Linus did a video showing a Quadro M6000 against a Titan X Maxwell, Both running Crysis 3 at the exact same settings and res, Both scored within 1FPS of eachother, Literally, 1FPS.

LC_sx6A5Wko

Korreborg
18-07-17, 07:58 AM
Well i'm at another forum where the admins sometime move posts to a new thread if it makes sense. I have made a Vega dissusion tread to try and move it from the quick news :D
https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?p=953142#post953142

AlienALX
18-07-17, 09:16 AM
New video from Gamers Nexus showing undervolting the GPU improves performance. The Frontier Edition is getting strange by the day.


See there is one difference, mechanically, that you will see in a server/workstation card that you won't see on the desktop. Sometimes things are over volted for maximum stability. I mean yeah, he is using stuff like Firestrike and games to check stability but trust me, if that card is folding or mining it's a different story. IE - when 100% of that GPU is being drawn upon then it would likely flop with lower volts. Noise and heat in server land is not an issue. Firstly you are not in the room with it and secondly most are AC. So ambient temps are a lot lower.

They should have tried some of the stuff this card was actually made for tbh. Though having said that if AMD can reduce the current draw (because let's face it ATM it's insane !) then maybe the desktop card will hold 1600mhz solid.

Korreborg.

The problem with the Quick News thread is not that we need a Vega discussion thread. The problem is we need a thread to either discuss quick news, or, we just stick to this one. It's not always Vega we argue, I mean talk about. It's the news coming in.

As I said recently, forums in general these days are not exactly on fire. Most have taken to Facebook or just plain can't even be bothered. So it's not like this thread has become overwhelmed by it.

WYP
18-07-17, 10:47 AM
I'm excited

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFAtg7fXkAEfk2Z.jpg

AlienALX
18-07-17, 10:56 AM
I wish I liked those games :(

AngryGoldfish
18-07-17, 11:22 AM
It is easier for Nvidia, and 99% cannot afford a Quadro - certainly not for gaming (that'd be insane anyway). Fact remains that what I said is factual. And drivers will improve Vega, they won't, however, prove magical. If only RX Vega was a solid competitor I would pay less for my Nvidia card.

I've seen this posted so many times from all over the world and it makes no sense to me.

"I want AMD to make better cards so I can buy Nvidia cards for cheaper."

Is it not clear how self-defeating that is? If everyone were to say that, and many are, no one would buy AMD GPU's. AMD would then not be able to remain competitive because they would either have no revenue or no market. In turn Nvidia cards would become less consumer-driven. You have to directly support AMD's Radeon sector if you want competition in the market. You can't just want AMD to succeed, you have to help them succeed. If all you can do is patiently wait for the actual RX Vega GPU to be released and fairly judging it then—instead of preemptively saying, "I didn't expect much at all; in fact I precisely expected what it is and it left me unimpressed"—then that's great. Many are tied to GSync so I'm not expecting them to buy Vega. But at least being patient and waiting for final assessment would help AMD remain competitive as it would encourage positive reinforcement and anticipation.

Dicehunter
19-07-17, 06:46 PM
Corsair may be being sold :( if it is true then RIP Corsair, It will be milked dry and die a horrible death.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Rumor-Corsair-Could-Be-Purchased-500-Million-USD?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

NeverBackDown
19-07-17, 06:49 PM
Corsair may be being sold :( if it is true then RIP Corsair, It will be milked dry and die a horrible death.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Rumor-Corsair-Could-Be-Purchased-500-Million-USD?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Not sure if I am happy about that... I don't like em much anyway, but they have done a lot for the industry.

Dicehunter
19-07-17, 07:54 PM
Not sure if I am happy about that... I don't like em much anyway, but they have done a lot for the industry.

If a company like Corsair can be bought out, Inevitably milked to death and then die a horrible death, It can and will happen to any company.

NeverBackDown
19-07-17, 07:57 PM
If a company like Corsair can be bought out, Inevitably milked to death and then die a horrible death, It can and will happen to any company.

That is the case with any company in the world excluding a select few. It's nothing new tbh.

They will sell if the price is right. The guys selling the company get nearly all the money anyway, that's all people care about.

WYP
19-07-17, 09:25 PM
Corsair may be being sold :( if it is true then RIP Corsair, It will be milked dry and die a horrible death.

https://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Rumor-Corsair-Could-Be-Purchased-500-Million-USD?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Corsair has been partially owned by a different investment firm since 2013, after the company ditched its IPO attempt (to enter the stock market)

Back then Francisco Partners Management LLC made a $75 million investment.

https://www.franciscopartners.com/news/corsair-components-a-global-provider-of-high-performance-pc-components-turns-to-francisco-partners-for-strategic-investment

We also have a thread on this matter, so a full discussion is better placed there.

https://forum.overclock3d.net/showthread.php?t=81288

AlienALX
20-07-17, 09:07 AM
That answers my question Mark and yes, lines up 100% when I first bought my Corsair junk mice. I got one for me and one for my lady. Mine broke after a week (scroll wheel went) and hers died after about a month (wires came out of the USB plug and snapped through).

Dicehunter
20-07-17, 07:27 PM
Get Shadow Warrior for free from Humble Bundle -

https://www.humblebundle.com/store/shadow-warrior-special-edition?hmb_campaign=shadowwarrior_freegame_2017&hmb_source=bundle_page&hmb_medium=banner_cross

NeverBackDown
20-07-17, 09:01 PM
WHERE IS KRELL?!

https://www.facebook.com/TotalWar/videos/1550661891675672/

FOUND HIM!:)
https://forums.totalwar.com/discussion/196850/skulls-for-the-skull-throne-krell/p1

The game just updated over steam. 191MB. Krell is in the game and can only be summouned during battles. Expect a skill tree for campaign uses alongside the Norsca DLC launch later this year, amongst other things:)

TheF34RChannel
21-07-17, 07:20 PM
Intel Coffee Lake 6-core CPU-Z screenshot

The data reveals LGA1151 socket support and TDP of 80W. The engineering sample has a base clock of 3.5GHz with a maximum multiplier of 43. It may all just be a wrong reading by CPU-Z utility or early engineering sample which may not necessarily represent the final product. Howeverit’s yet another proof that Intel’s 8th generation series will feature 6-core processor.

Earlier rumors from CPC Hardware suggested that Core i7-8700K would feature 3.7GHz base frequency, while i5-8600 a clock of 3.6 GHz. This sample is likely a different SKU.

The original source was already taken down.

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-coffee-lake-core-6-core-cpu-z-screenshot-leaks-out

http://i65.tinypic.com/n6fk0m.png

My guess is that this is the 8700 (non-K) (which would make sense with the 80W TDP, unless CPU-Z read it wrong, which is also a possibility). I call a 4.6GHz boost on the 8700K (although I expect a 4.5GHz boost actually, but I think -Sweepr_ said it clocked higher(?) so I can see a +100MHz token).

Dicehunter
21-07-17, 07:23 PM
If it really is socket 1151 then current 1151 boards will probably only need a bios update which would make a nice change from the usual changing of sockets for Intel customers.

AlienALX
21-07-17, 07:36 PM
T'will sell like hot cakes ��

TheF34RChannel
21-07-17, 07:42 PM
If it really is socket 1151 then current 1151 boards will probably only need a bios update which would make a nice change from the usual changing of sockets for Intel customers.

Nope, probably CPU-Z reading it wrong/data thingy in the CPU needing updating; all indications still point to 1151 v2. :mellow:

I want to be wrong so bad though!!

Korreborg
21-07-17, 08:16 PM
I SOOOO much hope Ryzen have done something to the price. This thing at Ryzen 1700 price = Love :D

TheF34RChannel
21-07-17, 08:18 PM
I SOOOO much hope Ryzen have done something to the price. This thing at Ryzen 1700 price = Love :D

I wouldn't get this specific thing, though - wait until you see the K part ;)

You're grabbing one then?

Korreborg
21-07-17, 08:26 PM
I wouldn't get this specific thing, though - wait until you see the K part ;)

You're grabbing one then?
If i get one it will be the K-part. And it depends. My watercooling is going WAY over budget :D But if its Q1 2018 then i might.

TheF34RChannel
21-07-17, 08:27 PM
If i get one it will be the K-part. And it depends. My watercooling is going WAY over budget :D But if its Q1 2018 then i might.

Budgets are meant to be stretched :p But yeah, I hear you. You could always wait until Q1? I'll likely snatch on up on release day (if they don't pull a 6700K price hike from day 1 for 9 months here).

AlienALX
21-07-17, 08:47 PM
Bah my cake emoticon didn't work :(

Korreborg
21-07-17, 09:01 PM
Budgets are meant to be stretched :p But yeah, I hear you. You could always wait until Q1? I'll likely snatch on up on release day (if they don't pull a 6700K price hike from day 1 for 9 months here).
I have lost track, but i'm more than 50% over budget :D Or it depends on from witch point i count. I think my first look was around 550€ And i'm closer to 1000€ :eek:

The 7800X is 390€. If they can make it at 350 or below, it think they have a winner.
But it will more likely be 390€ as the bigbrother. :(

TheF34RChannel
21-07-17, 09:14 PM
I have lost track, but i'm more than 50% over budget :D Or it depends on from witch point i count. I think my first look was around 550€ And i'm closer to 1000€ :eek:

The 7800X is 390€. If they can make it at 350 or below, it think they have a winner.
But it will more likely be 390€ as the bigbrother. :(

Ouch that is fairly over budget! No regrets?

Well personally I don't think they'll price it above the 7800X. I think a bit below it but at this point in time I can only guess and that's irrelevant.

Korreborg
21-07-17, 09:25 PM
Ouch that is fairly over budget! No regrets?

Well personally I don't think they'll price it above the 7800X. I think a bit below it but at this point in time I can only guess and that's irrelevant.
I'm the type that will regret not doing it right form the beginning :D

I don't think it will go above 7800X, but close to it. But then again, 350€ or 390€, not that big a deal. Hopefully the MB will be cheaper, and ITX :D

TheF34RChannel
22-07-17, 03:16 PM
http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Intel-Coffee-Lake-Core-i7-8700K-6-Core-CPU.jpg

Coffee Lake Core i7-8700K Flagship 6 Core Specifications Leaked – 4.3 GHz Single Core Boost, 4.0 GHz Six Core Boost, 95W TDP

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-core-i7-8700k-6-core-cpu-specifications-details-leak/

CAUTION: the article contains a few mistakes. For example; the Z390 board won't launch until next year, it's Z370 that launches alongside the first CFL batches this year.

Update: like I said, WCCFTech is incorrect once again.

While the document looks legit (I know where WCCFTech got it from) it most likely refers to earlier engineer samples. The info I have is from qualification samples (closer to retail) and clocks are higher than that.

Qualification samples are generally the "final" parts being tested for qualification for sale. So if you have QS info, those are the final clocks.

Mark, please don't make an article out of the WCCFTech rubbish, would be bad to have erroneous info online.

TheF34RChannel
23-07-17, 10:19 PM
Intel Core i9-7960X 16 Core / 32 Threads (EN Sample) Geekbench 4.0 Score

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Intel-Core-i9-7960X-Geekbench-4.0-Benchmark-410x380.jpg

Take with salt: http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i9-7960x-skylake-x-processor-geekbench-4-0-score-leaked/

Avet
24-07-17, 03:35 AM
Interesting stuff...

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-coffee-lake-6-core-cpu-z-screenshot-surfaces.html

TheF34RChannel
24-07-17, 06:22 AM
Interesting stuff...

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/intel-coffee-lake-6-core-cpu-z-screenshot-surfaces.html

Too late, somebody already posted that two days ago. Besides, the article is incorrect. Guru3D, as of late, copies everything without a single thought, regrettably.

TheF34RChannel
24-07-17, 05:25 PM
Intel Core i9-7920X 12 Core CPU Full Specifications Detailed – 2.9 GHz Base Clock, 4.0 GHz Boost Clocks

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Intel-Core-i9-7920X-CPU.jpg

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/intel_core_i97920x_12rdzeniowy_przedstawiciel_seri i_x

WYP
24-07-17, 06:20 PM
Intel Core i9-7920X 12 Core CPU Full Specifications Detailed – 2.9 GHz Base Clock, 4.0 GHz Boost Clocks

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Intel-Core-i9-7920X-CPU.jpg

https://www.purepc.pl/procesory/intel_core_i97920x_12rdzeniowy_przedstawiciel_seri i_x

Not sure where you got the 4GHz boost clock from, though the screenshot does suggest a Turbo boost 3.0 (on two cores) of 4.4GHz.

Will look further into this info, as they do not reference the screenshot etc.

TheF34RChannel
24-07-17, 07:03 PM
Not sure where you got the 4GHz boost clock from, though the screenshot does suggest a Turbo boost 3.0 (on two cores) of 4.4GHz.

Will look further into this info, as they do not reference the screenshot etc.

Yeah they look to have taken the max multiplier.

TheF34RChannel
26-07-17, 03:51 AM
It's looking good for the part:

Exclusive: Intel® Core™ i7-8700K Specifications (Coffee Lake)

6C/12T
12MB L3
3.7 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.4 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Disclaimer: The source this info comes from has provided accurate Intel leaks in the past. For now, treat it like a rumor, but rest assured I will let you know about any changes. No pricing (MSRP) information yet. Next in line, Core i5-8600K specifications.

ander01se
26-07-17, 11:27 AM
https://www.cnet.com/news/irobot-wants-to-sell-roomba-generated-maps-of-your-home/

iRobot, creator of the Roomba, hopes to sell the data its house-cleaning robots collect when they map your house.

Potential buyers include smart-home device manufacturers such as Amazon, Apple and Google, iRobot CEO Colin Angle told Reuters.

AngryGoldfish
26-07-17, 04:53 PM
It's looking good for the part:

What's the supposed date on these being released again?

TheF34RChannel
26-07-17, 07:41 PM
What's the supposed date on these being released again?

Word on the street is October.

Dicehunter
27-07-17, 06:30 AM
EA just updated Origin with Wishlists and Gifting, Better late than never ^_^

TheF34RChannel
27-07-17, 07:34 AM
EA just updated Origin with Wishlists and Gifting, Better late than never ^_^

Finally!!!!

Korreborg
27-07-17, 02:29 PM
Swedish link: https://www.nordichardware.se/nyheter/radeon-rx-vega-prislapp-sverige.html?utm_source=Skarp+Lista+som+ska+anv%C3 %A4ndas&utm_campaign=9cdbaf4e42-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2017_07_27&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_02450ce44b-9cdbaf4e42-48812305

Main point in english.
The consumer model of Radeon RX Vega seems to be a really expensive story. Swedish dealers testify to price tags in class with the GTX 1080 Ti.
Around 9000SEK inkl VAT = 835£
The source say that prices look genuine and final. But that it feels wrong :)

AngryGoldfish
27-07-17, 03:20 PM
If those prices are true, I can't see anyone buying them. I know I wouldn't buy one. They are in direct conflict to others saying that Vega is 'fast and cheap like Ryzen'.

AlienALX
27-07-17, 03:35 PM
I didn't say it would be cheap ;) lots of shaders big die + HBM2 = £

AlienALX
27-07-17, 07:35 PM
Vega "leaked" prices are BS. Just placeholders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pxdy8/amd_german_facebook_page_commented_on_vega_pricing/?st=j5mr2vtc&sh=c2eaa031

AngryGoldfish
27-07-17, 09:00 PM
Vega "leaked" prices are BS. Just placeholders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pxdy8/amd_german_facebook_page_commented_on_vega_pricing/?st=j5mr2vtc&sh=c2eaa031

While you may be right about Vega being expensive, you, I, and everyone else never actually believed those rumours to be true.

At this stage I'm really hoping for a $500-550 air cooled fully unlocked variant—which is less than what I originally hoped of around $600—and $600 for the fully unlocked water cooled version.

Warchild
28-07-17, 09:37 AM
Vega "leaked" prices are BS. Just placeholders.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6pxdy8/amd_german_facebook_page_commented_on_vega_pricing/?st=j5mr2vtc&sh=c2eaa031

It makes sense to use placeholder prices. Get the sites setup ready for immediate sale, slap in an overrated price to prevent shooting yourself in the foot and let days count down.

When you put the actual price up, the hype of "omg guys its 500sek cheaper than before" it can sometimes sell itself without effort.

Korreborg
28-07-17, 09:46 AM
It makes sense to use placeholder prices. Get the sites setup ready for immediate sale, slap in an overrated price to prevent shooting yourself in the foot and let days count down.

When you put the actual price up, the hype of "omg guys its 500sek cheaper than before" it can sometimes sell itself without effort.

My Swedish isn't perfect, but the source is a retailer = The price comes from AMD as i understand it. But setting the price 200£ above the intended price just seem wired :eek:
But yes if the price shows 850£ and then when et launches shows 600£ might make it look better :D

AlienALX
28-07-17, 10:44 AM
But yes if the price shows 850£ and then when et launches shows 600£ might make it look better :D

It won't IMO. Just noticed this morning that you can now get a blower 1080 for £449.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-geforce-gtx-1080-reference-blower-8192mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-21c-ok.html

Founders £488

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/ocuk-geforce-gtx-1080-founders-edition-8192mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-21d-ok.html

Heck, even a full blocked WC card for just over £500

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-geforce-gtx-1080-sea-hawk-ek-x-8192mb-gddr5x-watercooled-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-32f-ms.html

If AMD are thinking of charging £600 for a GPU that uses 100w more, is hot, loud, cheap looking, ugly and slower then they are high. Really, really high.

It will probably throttle too.

IMO? the big Vega needs to be £400 but I just can't see it happening. In that case nobody is going to buy it (because they too would have to be high) and it's just going to be a shelf filler until it dies a slow death.

Dicehunter
28-07-17, 10:51 AM
If the prices are indeed incorrect then I'll be getting the top end watercooled version when it hits but no way am I paying 1080 Ti money for a 1080 class GPU.

AlienALX
28-07-17, 10:57 AM
Yeah it's mad. I just wish they would have designed it to use GDDR as well as HBM, then made models letting you pick. If you don't need HBM it really is a complete waste of cash.

AngryGoldfish
28-07-17, 11:52 AM
Yeah it's mad. I just wish they would have designed it to use GDDR as well as HBM, then made models letting you pick. If you don't need HBM it really is a complete waste of cash.

We don't know the price of 4GB HBM2 stacks. We know that 8GB HBM2 stacks are reported to cost $160, but we don't know the price of 4GB stacks. They might not be that much more than GDDR5X. I can't find a price for GDDR5X. According to this image I found on reddit—which I can't corroborate right now—the Fury X's 4GB of HBM did not cost much more than the 290X's 4GB of GDDR5.

http://electroiq.com/insights-from-leading-edge/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2016/03/Sys-plus-1.jpg

AngryGoldfish
28-07-17, 03:42 PM
In a blind test performed with HardOCP, 6/10 were shown to be unable to tell the difference between a 1080Ti/Gysnc system and a Vega/Freesync system at 100Hz 3440x1440p, 1/10 favoured the Nvidia system, and the remaining 3/10 preferred the AMD system stating smoother response time, possibly due to the VA panel on the Freesync monitor.

https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/07/26/blind_test_rx_vega_freesync_vs_gtx_1080_ti_gsync

Dicehunter
28-07-17, 03:48 PM
That doesn't really say much though, They could have limited both the systems to 100FPS.

A rig equipped with a RX-580 and a different equipped with a 1080 Ti can both do 100FPS in Doom no problem at 1440P, The real difference is going to come down to the games with very shiny FX that are taxing and the FPS difference there.

AngryGoldfish
28-07-17, 04:01 PM
That doesn't really say much though, They could have limited both the systems to 100FPS.

A rig equipped with a RX-580 and a different equipped with a 1080 Ti can both do 100FPS in Doom no problem at 1440P, The real difference is going to come down to the games with very shiny FX that are taxing and the FPS difference there.

I'm not sure how much it's supposed to say, to be honest. It is what it is. They had planned other games but ran out of time, so I hear. Take from that what you will.

And an RX 580 will not hit 100 FPS at 3440x1440p at max settings. I can't find what settings they used in the test, but it makes sense to use the maximum, for parity sake. That's why benchmarkers use max settings; so people don't get confused. Anyway, an RX 580 would struggle to hit 60 FPS at 3440x1440p. It'll be closer to 50 FPS. An overclocked 1080Ti will hit around 100 FPS at 3440x1440p. So if folks feel there is no difference between Vega and the 1080Ti, that suggests to me that whatever performance difference there is, people can't spot it. Again, take what you want from it.

I like the concept AMD are focusing on here. They're getting away from the 'numbers don't lie' principle and are instead giving gamers smooth gameplay, which is the most important thing. That's partially flawed logic obviously because numbers don't lie, but it's contentious in the right way. The principle has some merit. They're basically saying it's about how it feels, not that the 1080Ti hits 102 FPS while Vega hits 90 FPS.

NeverBackDown
28-07-17, 05:24 PM
That doesn't really say much though, They could have limited both the systems to 100FPS.

A rig equipped with a RX-580 and a different equipped with a 1080 Ti can both do 100FPS in Doom no problem at 1440P, The real difference is going to come down to the games with very shiny FX that are taxing and the FPS difference there.

If it was limited at 100FPS and the Vega system felt smoother, it's still a telling experience and worth noting.
Besides it's a blind test. I bet you 8/10 of those people were Nvidia fans and choose the Nvidia rig which turns out to be AMD.

They can limit it all they want, but in a blind test you don't know that. You have to control some variables to get accurate statistics.

AlienALX
28-07-17, 06:28 PM
It's a cherry picked load of old crap is what it is.

AlienALX
28-07-17, 07:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1j3S6MKB_E

TheF34RChannel
29-07-17, 03:37 AM
All I'm a neatly row.

Intel® Core™ i7-8700K and Core™ i7-8700 Specifications - The Empire Strikes Back



Core i7-8700K
6C/12T
12MB L3
3.7 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.4 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.7 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Core i7-8700
6C/12T
12MB L3
3.2 GHz Base
4.3 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.3 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.5 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.6 GHz 1-core Turbo
65W TDP

Intel® Core™ i5-8600K and Core™ i5-8400 Specifications - Intel's Mainstream King



Core i5-8600K
6C/6T
9MB L3
3.6 GHz Base
4.1 GHz 6-core Turbo
4.2 GHz 4-core Turbo
4.2 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.3 GHz 1-core Turbo
95W TDP

Core i5-8400
6C/6T
9MB L3
2.8 GHz Base
3.8 GHz 6-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 4-core Turbo
3.9 GHz 2-core Turbo
4.0 GHz 1-core Turbo
65W TDP

AlienALX
29-07-17, 09:57 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6TCh6Vir9l8

3000 points in CB. I believe they call that mental lol.

TheF34RChannel
30-07-17, 07:02 AM
AMD Radeon RX Vega 64 Liquid Cooled and Radeon RX Vega 64 Limited Edition Pictured In Full Glory

AMD Giving Away A Radeon RX Vega Signed By Raja Koduri

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

http://wccftech.com/radeon-rx-vega-signed-raja-koduri/

Dicehunter
30-07-17, 12:23 PM
Linus does a Vega unboxing -

twkZz5WyVJs

AngryGoldfish
30-07-17, 01:11 PM
Fully unlocked RX Vega reference edition is $500 while the others go up to $650 for the limited edition AIO version. I was hoping for $450 for the fully unlocked reference edition, so it's down to how well it performs now. As long as the non-reference designs don't shoot up in price, I think it could be OK. Maybe an Aorus Xtreme Vega 10 GPU at $550 with similar clocks to the AIO version is in order. That'll be about €600. Not terrible, but not good either.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

AlienALX
30-07-17, 01:22 PM
So £500 then basically. That would explain why Nvidia dropped the price of the 1080 to £449. Well, that or OCUK knew the inbound RRP of the Vega cards. I would guess it would be the latter. Funny, the 1080 was supposed to drop ages ago but never did.

What it needs now are awesome third party coolers to stop it throttling. Problem is that adds price.. I dunno man, will see I guess.

Avet
30-07-17, 01:31 PM
Finally, after so long...

Dicehunter
30-07-17, 01:47 PM
Fully unlocked RX Vega reference edition is $500 while the others go up to $650 for the limited edition AIO version. I was hoping for $450 for the fully unlocked reference edition, so it's down to how well it performs now. As long as the non-reference designs don't shoot up in price, I think it could be OK. Maybe an Aorus Xtreme Vega 10 GPU at $550 with similar clocks to the AIO version is in order. That'll be about €600. Not terrible, but not good either.

http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-limited-edition-liquid-cooled-pictured/

If Vega is as fast as a 1080, As the leaks so far suggest, Then it needs to come in cheaper than a 1080, Nvidia has a LOT of the markets mindshare so needs to come in at a price that will tempt potential Nvidia customers.

AngryGoldfish
30-07-17, 01:51 PM
Cut down Vega 10 XL is $400. The 1070 is surely going to be dropped in price.

If Vega is as fast as a 1080, As the leaks so far suggest, Then it needs to come in cheaper than a 1080, Nvidia has a LOT of the markets mindshare so needs to come in at a price that will tempt potential Nvidia customers.

I agree. I just don't think it's going to be that way.

AlienALX
30-07-17, 03:39 PM
Yeah Nvidia are going to be quite aggressive IMO. They've had nearly a year of top prices for small dies, now they can just have a field day on price. Good for the consumer !

I like the silver Vega. Problem is, it wouldn't really go in many builds. Would look nice with a MSI Tit and Corsair Doms, though.

I hope that this time there is an all out price war. With the Fury X AMD just never really did anything. They never fought to sell it, never became aggressive with prices etc it just sorta pittered out. Very strange ! I hope this time they mean it and they will now keep producing Vega GPUs properly for the long term.

Really can't wait to see the AIBP cards. Shame the overclocking is limited though (as we saw with AIO FE).

HJ1mech
30-07-17, 03:48 PM
Prices have supposedly leaked for Vega.
http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pricing-clocks-leaked-air-cooled-499-liquid-599/

AlienALX
30-07-17, 03:49 PM
$50 gets you a lot for the ltd ed IMO. Shame they don't all look like that.

Ah, a trick by AMD. You don't get the holocube. Tossers.

AngryGoldfish
30-07-17, 08:19 PM
Yeah Nvidia are going to be quite aggressive IMO. They've had nearly a year of top prices for small dies, now they can just have a field day on price. Good for the consumer !

I like the silver Vega. Problem is, it wouldn't really go in many builds. Would look nice with a MSI Tit and Corsair Doms, though.

I hope that this time there is an all out price war. With the Fury X AMD just never really did anything. They never fought to sell it, never became aggressive with prices etc it just sorta pittered out. Very strange ! I hope this time they mean it and they will now keep producing Vega GPUs properly for the long term.

Really can't wait to see the AIBP cards. Shame the overclocking is limited though (as we saw with AIO FE).

Yeah, my biggest worry is Nvidia's response. I'm confident AMD have offered a solid product that will age well, but Nvidia have earned so much money and likely refined the process that they could easily drop prices dramatically and completely devalue what little legs AMD have to stand on.

On a more positive (but not fully) note, the new cards look sexy. While it won't necessarily fit really well in my proposed colour scheme—and I wouldn't go blower style anyway—the silver is really sexy. And it's bold, too. It's not so different that it's not going to work with anyone's system, but it's not just an RX480, which is a little boring. But it's a shame it's just the LE model.

AlienALX
30-07-17, 08:34 PM
Yeah brushed metal is the in thing now. Carbon fibre has gone thankfully :D

If AMD want Vega to be a success then they must have left some room in the price part. Even a two year old would know that Nvidia are going to drop prices. As I said before, I just hope they continue to make this one, not phase it out after something stupid like six months. Long haul with any luck ! hopefully this time they can get the HBM without massive pauses and there won't be any shortages.

Been reading OCUK forums (where you will find out an awful lot if you can bare all the poo) and they reckon the cooler is actually fantastic. The card is just so hot it doesn't stand a chance, but it's a lot bigger than the Nvidia cooling (gotta say it does look pretty beefy).

If it can match the 3Dmark scores I have seen (and be faster than the 1080) it should sell OK.

WYP
30-07-17, 10:22 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DGBBJIhXcAQgk1w.jpg:large

Nothing that is worth a full article, but listings are starting to appear on the websites of certain GPU manufacturers. No new info, but it should be coming soon.

AngryGoldfish
31-07-17, 12:51 PM
Yeah brushed metal is the in thing now. Carbon fibre has gone thankfully :D

If AMD want Vega to be a success then they must have left some room in the price part. Even a two year old would know that Nvidia are going to drop prices. As I said before, I just hope they continue to make this one, not phase it out after something stupid like six months. Long haul with any luck ! hopefully this time they can get the HBM without massive pauses and there won't be any shortages.

Been reading OCUK forums (where you will find out an awful lot if you can bare all the poo) and they reckon the cooler is actually fantastic. The card is just so hot it doesn't stand a chance, but it's a lot bigger than the Nvidia cooling (gotta say it does look pretty beefy).

If it can match the 3Dmark scores I have seen (and be faster than the 1080) it should sell OK.

The article posted by Mark about the Frontier Edition not including AMD's Draw Stream Binning Rasterizers might help with the power consumption issues we saw with the FE. Maybe RX Vega will actually draw less power and output less heat as well as perform better. Maybe.

AlienALX
31-07-17, 02:32 PM
The article posted by Mark about the Frontier Edition not including AMD's Draw Stream Binning Rasterizers might help with the power consumption issues we saw with the FE. Maybe RX Vega will actually draw less power and output less heat as well as perform better. Maybe.

I hope so. Because if not then 1530 odd is a pipe dream.

looz
31-07-17, 02:53 PM
MSI® HOW-TO Install AMD X399 CPU (https://youtu.be/Z1j3S6MKB_E)For once their old tube of lube (https://youtu.be/kSCVahyh3Dk?t=38) could have been justified but they decided against it. :lol:

AlienALX
31-07-17, 02:54 PM
Holy crap *laughs* he looks like a Painter And Decorator by trade :D

WYP
31-07-17, 02:56 PM
For once their old tube of lube (https://youtu.be/kSCVahyh3Dk?t=38) could have been justified but they decided against it. :lol:

That video is so wrong, drowning the poor CPU. On Kabini no less, the smallest of recent AMD CPUs.

AlienALX
31-07-17, 03:03 PM
That video is so wrong, drowning the poor CPU. On Kabini no less, the smallest of recent AMD CPUs.

lmao I like the bit where he lets go and it starts floating around in all of that goo :D

hilarious, as are some of the comments lol. No wonder MSI disabled comments now :D

looz
31-07-17, 03:31 PM
But wait, there's more!

Lga 1150, with pre-pasted Intel cooler (https://youtu.be/lE5MpxToTtA?t=62)

Ditto for Lga2011-v3 (https://youtu.be/jWF3Z5rubuI?t=56)

But these are old news so I'll stop for now. :P

Excalabur50
31-07-17, 11:48 PM
Tha TR4 ROG Zenith pricing for Aus are ready and the damn thing is ridiculously expensive $1049
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/628844/ASUS-ROG-Zenith-Extreme-TR4-eATX-Desktop-Motherboard

NeverBackDown
31-07-17, 11:58 PM
Tha TR4 ROG Zenith pricing for Aus are ready and the damn thing is ridiculously expensive $1049
https://www.ple.com.au/Products/628844/ASUS-ROG-Zenith-Extreme-TR4-eATX-Desktop-Motherboard

Better be made of gold!

Excalabur50
01-08-17, 12:05 AM
Here's the Gigabyte https://www.ple.com.au/Products/628890/Gigabyte-X399-AORUS-Gaming-7-TR4-ATX-Gaming-Motherboard- $619
And the Asrock Taichi https://www.pccasegear.com/products/39919/asrock-x399-taichi-motherboard $599

TheF34RChannel
01-08-17, 04:46 AM
Star Citizen's big alpha 3.0 release slips again

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-07-31-star-citizens-big-alpha-3-0-release-slips-again