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Dicehunter
16-01-19, 06:03 PM
So a ROG RGB chair is coming, Even for me this is just too much, It has the same exact hinge, Arm and base as the Corsair chair but because of ROG branding and some cheap LED's the price will be day light robbery.

https://rog.asus.com/articles/accessories/the-rog-chariot-gaming-chair-is-decked-out-in-rgb-lighting/

https://rog.asus.com/media/1547199653222.jpg
https://i2.wp.com/gamingph.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/asus-rog-chariot-actual-photo.jpg?fit=950%2C634&ssl=1

NeverBackDown
16-01-19, 06:18 PM
Only chair I want is a Secret Labs chair. Although for my friends over the pond shipping might be quite pricey.. but worth it. Best chairs on the market imo

Dicehunter
16-01-19, 06:25 PM
Only chair I want is a Secret Labs chair. Although for my friends over the pond shipping might be quite pricey.. but worth it. Best chairs on the market imo


The base, Arms and hinge for secret labs chairs is identical to the Corsair and upcoming Asus chair, They all come from the same factory and use the same tooling, Minus small design changes for aesthetic reasons.

NeverBackDown
16-01-19, 07:05 PM
The base, Arms and hinge for secret labs chairs is identical to the Corsair and upcoming Asus chair, They all come from the same factory and use the same tooling, Minus small design changes for aesthetic reasons.

Don't believe so. I've seen them making there own chairs in house.

Dicehunter
16-01-19, 07:11 PM
Don't believe so. I've seen them making there own chairs in house.


Go look at side by sides, The only difference is the moulded plastic, All from the same factory.

WillSK
16-01-19, 08:19 PM
I liked the Edge chairs that got posted a while back. Too expensive but at least they focused on ergonomics over the obsession with racing seast

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/misc_hardware/edge_unveils_their_gx1_ergonomic_gaming_chair/1

NeverBackDown
16-01-19, 11:07 PM
Go look at side by sides, The only difference is the moulded plastic, All from the same factory.

It's a chair. They'll always be similar lol

Warchild
17-01-19, 10:23 AM
Only chair I want is a Secret Labs chair. Although for my friends over the pond shipping might be quite pricey.. but worth it. Best chairs on the market imo

Secret lab chairs are almost the same as corsair.

As for the ROG... the lumbar support looks way too thin. Can't see it being useful at all. Nothing will beat my Noble chair though. Best £600 I ever spent for furniture. .D

edit* Saw Dice comment now. He is correct.

HJ1mech
23-01-19, 05:09 AM
Fractal Design has some new case they are releasing at 9am CST today. Looks to be in the meshify family from the teases Fractal Josh has released.

NeverBackDown
23-01-19, 08:00 AM
Secret lab chairs are almost the same as corsair.

As for the ROG... the lumbar support looks way too thin. Can't see it being useful at all. Nothing will beat my Noble chair though. Best £600 I ever spent for furniture. .D

edit* Saw Dice comment now. He is correct.


Again most chairs look the same because it's a chair

Looking at the Titan and either Corsair chair, they are different. Because SL make there own chairs. You have integrated lumbar support on the SL Titan, Corsair, dxracer, etc do not. Not sure about Noble however. Never heard of em.
Also based off marketing materials the fabric used for either company is different.
I don't consider being the same chair because they both tilt, have 4d arm handles, swivel, and metal construction. My $80 office chair has that as well. I know of a $40 chair that has that too.

g0ggles1994
25-01-19, 09:19 PM
AsRock releases two new B450 boards, kinda nice if I'm honest.

https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450M%20Steel%20Legend/index.asp


https://www.asrock.com/mb/AMD/B450%20Steel%20Legend/index.asp


Also, remember the A300 and X300 SFF Chipsets AMD unveiled? Well, the A300 has finally appeared; Mini-STX.

https://www.asrock.com/news/index.asp?iD=4115

AlienALX
25-01-19, 09:26 PM
they should bring out their elite logo.. P.R.O.G. Poorman's ROG :D

I've had several Asrock boards and they've all been great.

tgrech
26-01-19, 09:19 AM
A300 and X300 aren't actual chipsets in a physical sense. AM4 CPU/APUs are a complete SoC with a built in chipsets with all necessary functionality on them, the external chipsets are more for wider expansion, the A300 boards, if they're still the same as stated at launch, use this on board chipset exclusively & all external IO goes direct through the socket. X300 is the same but without overclocking locked out.

NeverBackDown
28-01-19, 07:29 PM
TSMC has stopped production at Fab 14b due to chemical contamination which has resulted in 10,000 wafers being defective. Wafers of 12nm and 16nm are affected. Which is Turing, Pascal, Xbox1x, and Playstation. Not including various Mobile customers.

TSMC has confirmed this on a Taiwan site.
Source:
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/tsmc-semiconductor-fab-contamination-wafers-impact,38513.html
Taiwan source:
https://translate.google.com/translate?u=https://www.ettoday.net/news/20190128/1367970.htm&sl=zh&tl=en


This will have massive effects on everything if not resolved quickly. TSMC are massive and this could lead to even more expensive phones and/or Turing. So Nvidia and maybe AMD may have to lower their first Q1 guideances if this is not resolved soon as they will have less to sell to consumers and data center markets.

AngryGoldfish
28-01-19, 07:33 PM
Ooh, that doesn't sound.

I wonder whether this was anyone's fault. I'd feel very sorry for that person.

TheF34RChannel
28-01-19, 09:41 PM
Ooh, that doesn't sound.

I wonder whether this was anyone's fault. I'd feel very sorry for that person.

Never eat cookies at work...

AlienALX
28-01-19, 10:13 PM
What is it with fabs ffs? More disasters than Hollywood movies.

tgrech
29-01-19, 04:59 PM
Not sure if its quite news but Digital Foundry have a new piece on an RTX enabled remake of Quake 2 using Path Tracing rather than raytracing, technically the first path traced game available. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRCAfdBMe2Y

g0ggles1994
30-01-19, 11:10 AM
AsRock, Sapphire and MSI list the Radeon VII on their websites; all of them are the same card by the looks of it. XFX have a Radeon VII section but nothing listed yet, Asus and Gigabyte have nothing listed at all.

https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Phantom%20Gaming%20X%20Radeon%20VII%2016G/

http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=653DD044-C784-46AC-AFF4-84881431E725&lang=eng

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-VII-16G

WYP
30-01-19, 12:48 PM
AsRock, Sapphire and MSI list the Radeon VII on their websites; all of them are the same card by the looks of it. XFX have a Radeon VII section but nothing listed yet, Asus and Gigabyte have nothing listed at all.

https://www.asrock.com/Graphics-Card/AMD/Phantom%20Gaming%20X%20Radeon%20VII%2016G/

http://www.sapphiretech.com/productdetial.asp?pid=653DD044-C784-46AC-AFF4-84881431E725&lang=eng

https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/Radeon-VII-16G

XFX did have a web page, but it had the wrong specs. I pointed it out to them on Twitter and it was corrected and then deleted (who knows why). Strange.

Warchild
31-01-19, 09:29 AM
Microsoft blaming intel for dips in Windows/office sales

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/31/microsoft_q2_2019_chips/

g0ggles1994
31-01-19, 10:06 AM
XFX did have a web page, but it had the wrong specs. I pointed it out to them on Twitter and it was corrected and then deleted (who knows why). Strange.
Weird, probably jumped out the gate too early.
Microsoft blaming intel for dips in Windows/office sales

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/01/31/microsoft_q2_2019_chips/

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/003/194/001.jpg

Dicehunter
11-02-19, 05:43 PM
AMD are going to unlock "pro" features on the Radeon 7 in an update soon.

https://www.techpowerup.com/252475/amd-to-unlock-professional-features-for-radeon-vii-to-blunt-rtx-2080s-ray-tracing-edge


To add value and give it a feature-set edge over the GeForce RTX 2080, AMD is reportedly preparing to unlock several professional graphics features for the Radeon VII that are otherwise exclusive to Radeon Pro series graphics cards. These features will be released by simply adding Radeon VII support to the upcoming Radeon Pro 19.Q1 software suite. You uninstall your Radeon Adrenalin 2019 Edition drivers and replace them with the Radeon Pro 19.Q1 drivers to access pro features.

These include access to ProRender, certifications for various 3D, CAD, and CGI suites, SecureMI security, enterprise virtualization, and more. Over 320 professional applications are certified for the Radeon Pro 19.Q1 drivers, all of which will seamlessly run on the Radeon VII. AMD will also introduce a feature that lets you switch between the Radeon Pro and Radeon Adrenalin drivers on-the-fly (without needing reboots), so you don't lose your ability to play the latest games with day-one optimizations from AMD. These drivers will make the Radeon VII an incredible value in the enterprise space, as the GPU offers performance rivaling professional graphics cards priced well north of $3,000. It also blunts the feature-set edge the RTX 2080 holds over the Radeon VII.

Dicehunter
12-02-19, 01:27 PM
AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

https://www.techpowerup.com/252476/amd-radeon-vii-has-no-uefi-support

Probably what's been causing issues.

EDIT

AMD have stated they will release a 1 click bios update shortly.


https://www.techpowerup.com/252493/amd-outs-uefi-ready-video-bios-for-radeon-vii-company-promises-one-click-updater

WYP
12-02-19, 02:35 PM
AMD Radeon VII Has No UEFI Support

https://www.techpowerup.com/252476/amd-radeon-vii-has-no-uefi-support

Probably what's been causing issues.

EDIT

AMD have stated they will release a 1 click bios update shortly.


https://www.techpowerup.com/252493/amd-outs-uefi-ready-video-bios-for-radeon-vii-company-promises-one-click-updater

Interesting. I'd be curious exactly how many people had issues because AMD's BIOS lacked UEFI support. Strange that AMD would even release the graphics card without it. Very odd.

Dicehunter
12-02-19, 02:36 PM
Interesting. I'd be curious exactly how many people had issues because AMD's BIOS lacked UEFI support. Strange that AMD would even release the graphics card without it. Very odd.


My card actually wouldn't initially boot with UEFI settings so the mobo switched to compatibility settings automatically.

WYP
12-02-19, 02:40 PM
My card actually wouldn't initially boot with UEFI settings so the mobo switched to compatibility settings automatically.

Interesting. Very strange issue. At least it doesn't seem to be taking long for AMD to address this issue.

Dicehunter
13-02-19, 04:44 PM
AMD have issued a bios update for Radeon 7, X64 and X86 depending on your OS to enable UEFI support.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/radeonvii-vbios-eula

Flashed using the X64 for my X64 OS, Simply double clicked the executable, Took maybe 20 seconds, Closed itself out and then manually rebooted, Jobs a good'n.

NeverBackDown
16-02-19, 05:53 PM
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-dlss-your-questions-answered/

WYP
16-02-19, 05:59 PM
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/nvidia-dlss-your-questions-answered/

Cheers. This is a good read. Nice to see that they are working on things.

Dicehunter
17-02-19, 03:12 PM
So with a few registry mods within windows and a bios update plus AIO to cool it, You can get a pretty impressive graphics score with the Radeon 7.

3DMark Firestrike Link (https://www.3dmark.com/fs/18358630)

https://i.imgur.com/lvulKY5.png


Source 1 - https://www.overclock.net/forum/67-amd/1633446-preliminary-view-amd-vega-bios-125.html#post27847568

Source 2 - https://imgur.com/a/ecbuxwY

AlienALX
17-02-19, 04:09 PM
Modern high end GPUs need water to really shine. Been saying it for ages and have proof after having to live with my Devil 64 on air. It's a nightmare tbh.

g0ggles1994
17-02-19, 04:39 PM
I've been wanting to put my GPU under water for years but I can never justify the sheer cost of doing it custom.
I have eyed up the NZXT G12 but that doesn't support Vega64 at all and I don't have the materials or tools to do a mod job.

AlienALX
17-02-19, 04:54 PM
I've been wanting to put my GPU under water for years but I can never justify the sheer cost of doing it custom.
I have eyed up the NZXT G12 but that doesn't support Vega64 at all and I don't have the materials or tools to do a mod job.

For a long time some dude was making and selling the plates. But he vanished, along with a lot of other people's cash. Shame really.

TheF34RChannel
18-02-19, 03:06 PM
Intel rolls out discrete GPU patches preparing Linux for Intel Xe graphics cards

https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/intel-xe-linux-local-memory-support-patches

tgrech
22-02-19, 04:16 PM
https://www.vg247.com/2019/02/22/xbox-lockheart-anaconda-e3-2019-release-date/

Rumors of Xbox Two's working (Though not claimed to be final) specs apparently confirmed by a French language sites source(Though of course that's not really actually any kind of confirmation to any of us) but they seem reasonable enough (for not final or devkit specs, they don't seem amazingly well balanced though so I expect they'd have changed somewhat)

WYP
22-02-19, 05:59 PM
https://www.vg247.com/2019/02/22/xbox-lockheart-anaconda-e3-2019-release-date/

Rumors of Xbox Two's working (Though not claimed to be final) specs apparently confirmed by a French language sites source(Though of course that's not really actually any kind of confirmation to any of us) but they seem reasonable enough (for not final or devkit specs, they don't seem amazingly well balanced though so I expect they'd have changed somewhat)

I did see these specs floating around a while ago. Not so sure about 1TB of NVME storage, though I could see devs doing great things if they could assume their storage was faster.

I could see consoles using an Optane game Cache before moving full SSD. That would be cool.

tgrech
22-02-19, 08:44 PM
I'd assume the 1TB NVMe drives are for the devkits only, like how the Scorpio devkits had 1TB SSHDs, I guess SSHDs are quite common in consoles now and those would move to the consumer standard (Or similarly NVMe+2.5" HDD).

WYP
22-02-19, 09:00 PM
I'd assume the 1TB NVMe drives are for the devkits only, like how the Scorpio devkits had 1TB SSHDs, I guess SSHDs are quite common in consoles now and those would move to the consumer standard (Or similarly NVMe+2.5" HDD).

SSHDs are only really common to people who are tech savvy enough to upgrade their consoles to offer more storage. I don't know of any console that offers that by default.

The only way I see a console moving to an SSD is if they can use it to improve gameplay, which is definitely possible. Which would mean that all consoles would need to have them. Moving from an HDD to an SSD as main storage would be a huge add-on to a console's bill of materials.

I don't know, I can't see the next-gen consoles using SSDs unless the price of NAND decreases by a lot within the next year. Part of what makes consoles good is that they are as cheap as possible.

I can definitely see dev hardware having an SSD, just to speed things up and make development a little faster, but the final consoles. I'm not sure about that.

tgrech
22-02-19, 09:05 PM
I've seen a few Xbox One SKU's with SSHD's since the original:

https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/08/31/the-new-xbox-one-elite-comes-with-sshd-and-elite-controller/

Though they are still uncommon, later Xbox360 models also had a few GB of integrated flash memory and such, you only need 8GB of flash to properly cache 1TB of data and get near SSD like boot speed ups so I don't see why not, you can get 120GB SSDs new for like £20 nowadays can't you, or I think the SSHD versions of laptop drives are a few pounds difference sometimes now.

WYP
22-02-19, 09:16 PM
I've seen a few Xbox One SKU's with SSHD's since the original:

https://thenextweb.com/microsoft/2015/08/31/the-new-xbox-one-elite-comes-with-sshd-and-elite-controller/

Though they are still uncommon, later Xbox360 models also had a few GB of integrated flash memory and such, you only need 8GB of flash to properly cache 1TB of data and get near SSD like boot speed ups so I don't see why not, you can get 120GB SSDs new for like £20 nowadays can't you, or I think the SSHD versions of laptop drives are a few pounds difference sometimes now.

Oh wow. I have never seen that SKU. OG Xbox One + Elite controller. Cool.

It's more that while on drive caching is good, to improve things like asset streaming in games it would need to be reliable and have the right stuff in cache, even when you start playing a new game or one that hasn't been played in a while. That could be a tonne of writes on the NAND.

Just putting an SSHD will just improve load times, as devs have no way of knowing what is in the cache and will build for what they know, which is the speeds of the HDD.

If this topic is to continue I'd advise making a "Next Gen Console" speculation thread". Quick news isn't for long-form discussions.

tgrech
22-02-19, 09:20 PM
Nah yeah I think that's reasonable, I just expect them to leave the option open (Have an M.2 slot or a bit of soldered flash), and occasionally maybe use it, but certainly aren't guaranteed to with such a volatile-y priced non essential part, especially on lower SKUs.

Dicehunter
23-02-19, 03:57 AM
So the cooling block of the Radeon 7 isn't really flat and has some peaks that don't make proper contact with the GPU hence the high junction temps at stock settings which in turn causes high fan speeds and noise

A guy took the card apart, Took off the carbon TIM sheet, Lapped the cooling plate, First with 400, Then 800 and finally 2000 to get a mirror like finish, Added extra washers to the screw down points of the bracket and voila, 40'c temp drop at stock volts/clocks, That is 1 major booboo on AMD's part.

How much extra would it actually cost AMD to give each block an actual flat surface for better contact ?

Source - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/arrxt2/radeon_vii_how_to_drop_40c_on_your_stock_cooler/

Pics - https://imgur.com/a/51C9V8V


https://i.imgur.com/YSLvZk3.png

NeverBackDown
23-02-19, 05:56 AM
I would really like to know the power draw differences. Stock vs Stock. BUt holy f* that graphics score O.o

Dicehunter
23-02-19, 05:58 AM
I would really like to know the power draw differences. Stock vs Stock. BUt holy f* that graphics score O.o

Yeah that's better than some 1080 Ti's and with some OS registry mods to allow higher power limit, And with an AIO, I have seen scores reaching 34k.

NeverBackDown
23-02-19, 07:31 AM
It is pretty close to 2080ti's stock score I believe. Don't think it'll be even close still in games though.

tgrech
23-02-19, 09:50 AM
Do they know what benefit comes from just swapping the carbon pad for TIM? We know carbon pads are generally thicker and aren't expected to perform as well on average, but is this a particularly thick pad that was necessitated to make up for the shape too?

Dicehunter
23-02-19, 10:28 AM
Do they know what benefit comes from just swapping the carbon pad for TIM? We know carbon pads are generally thicker and aren't expected to perform as well on average, but is this a particularly thick pad that was necessitated to make up for the shape too?


From the bits of info I've read it was a time saving thing, Would have taken a bit longer to get the correct TIM AND have a flat machined surface.

AlienALX
23-02-19, 12:38 PM
Vega, in the new Dirt game.

https://i.imgur.com/dsYqtQj.png?1

Amazing. You can see now why Nvidia changed from Pascal to Turing.

Dicehunter
23-02-19, 01:06 PM
Vega, in the new Dirt game.

https://i.imgur.com/dsYqtQj.png?1

Amazing. You can see now why Nvidia changed from Pascal to Turing.


That's what happens when devs actually code for AMD and not just Nvidia.

AlienALX
23-02-19, 01:10 PM
It's a similar story in the other Dirt games tbh. I wouldn't outright say they favour AMD, yet AMD cards seem to do better. Mind you it's the same in BFV and numerous other titles too. The Vega seems to be total crap or miles better than comparatively priced Nvidia products.

g0ggles1994
25-02-19, 09:26 PM
As Mark previously reported, AMD Radeon Adrenalin 2019 19.2.3 is live, supports the Ryzen with Vega Desktop and Mobile APUs now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/auqzrc/available_now_radeon_software_for_ryzen/

The way they've worded it seems like they will be supporting them with each update from now on. Although, I feel like we've been here before...

WYP
25-02-19, 09:46 PM
As Mark previously reported, AMD Radeon Adrenalin 2019 19.2.3 is live, supports the Ryzen with Vega Desktop and Mobile APUs now.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/auqzrc/available_now_radeon_software_for_ryzen/

The way they've worded it seems like they will be supporting them with each update from now on. Although, I feel like we've been here before...

Very happy to see this. Yes, this should mean that all future drivers will support AMD's APUs and Ryzen mobile. Great news.

tgrech
26-02-19, 12:29 PM
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/02/microsoft-takes-a-big-step-towards-putting-xbox-games-on-windows/

More use of Xbox infrastructure on PC including file format support with 2020 Windows 10 Preview Builds laying groundwork for more unified APIs between PC & Xbox.

WYP
26-02-19, 12:51 PM
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2019/02/microsoft-takes-a-big-step-towards-putting-xbox-games-on-windows/

More use of Xbox infrastructure on PC including file format support with 2020 Windows 10 Preview Builds laying groundwork for more unified APIs between PC & Xbox.

Microsoft has definitely become the company to watch in the gaming market. I am legitimately excited to see what they are working on.

NeverBackDown
26-02-19, 05:48 PM
Microsoft has definitely become the company to watch in the gaming market. I am legitimately excited to see what they are working on.

I am exactly in line with your thinking. Being second rate in the console business has probably been better for them. This has forced them to think of different ways of being better than the competition. Better HDR support, media support, backwards compatibilty, etc than PlayStation.

PlayStation doesn't even support most HDR formats despite having a PS4 pro designed to play on 4k. Not even 1440p resolution.

Eddie long
02-03-19, 06:45 AM
Spotted last night that corsair have a new case , a bigger version of 280x the 680x but the review was taken down , due to maybe a mess up in embargo timing

Dicehunter
02-03-19, 06:48 AM
Spotted last night that corsair have a new case , a bigger version of 280x the 680x but the review was taken down , due to maybe a mess up in embargo timing


Just gone up for sale so reviews should soon follow, To me it looks like a proper successor to the Air 540 -

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA6ZP8U47058



https://c1.neweggimages.com/ProductImage/11-139-138-V08.jpg

Damien c
02-03-19, 10:02 AM
Spotted last night that corsair have a new case , a bigger version of 280x the 680x but the review was taken down , due to maybe a mess up in embargo timing

Watched part way through a video last night about it but not all the way through.

It has some interesting aspects but then it get's a hard no from me because it's another tempered glass case with what looks like very little air flow, thank's to the tempered glass.

I'm still happy with my Air 570 at the moment so will be sticking with that.

Warchild
03-03-19, 06:45 PM
looks extremely cheap to me. Far worse than Corsair usual cheapness.

The air flow looks like low cost re-enforced plastic.

Dicehunter
03-03-19, 09:42 PM
looks extremely cheap to me. Far worse than Corsair usual cheapness.

The air flow looks like low cost re-enforced plastic.

Ever since Corsair was taken over their quality has gone down hill, Should tell you something that I have not bought anything lately from them and have zero plans to in the future.

NeverBackDown
04-03-19, 06:49 AM
Ever since Corsair was taken over their quality has gone down hill, Should tell you something that I have not bought anything lately from them and have zero plans to in the future.

They were taken over?

WillSK
04-03-19, 08:41 AM
They were taken over?

Yeah I didn't know this either, is this true?

I do have to say though as someone who was a big big corsair fan, I have bought far less of their gear recently. Even my latest RAM modules are TeamGroup after having always bought Corsair for every previous PC.

I feel like the cases in particular are where they seem to be falling short. They don't seem to have the construction and clean lines they used to. I remember my 600T What a case that was!

Dicehunter
04-03-19, 12:58 PM
They were taken over?


Well not completely taken over but a company called eagle tree bought the majority shares so has a big say in what's happening and since then it seems the quality has gone downhill.

WYP
04-03-19, 12:59 PM
Yeah, it happened back in 2017.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/misc_hardware/eagletree_capital_has_acquired_a_majority_stake_in _corsair_for_525_million/1

NeverBackDown
04-03-19, 07:20 PM
Ah yes I remember that article. Forgive me for forgetting. I don't much care for Corsair and never really have. Easy to forget:p

WYP
04-03-19, 07:23 PM
Ah yes I remember that article. Forgive me for forgetting. I don't much care for Corsair and never really have. Easy to forget:p

It's not a crime to forget, no forgiveness required. As you said, it is easy to forget.

tgrech
12-03-19, 09:13 PM
Halo Reach coming to PC(Inc Steam & gamepass) as the first part of the MCC collection rolling release I don't think I could have asked for anything better.

looz
13-03-19, 05:44 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VH7EL1vJ28


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Xwhi1KKp5QD9R4-euZ0JqRB0vHdNPqdBJXjIgp-yYHA/edit


https://store.steampowered.com/app/975370/Dwarf_Fortress/


Dwarf Fortress coming to Steam with a new tile pack and Workshop support.

NeverBackDown
14-03-19, 04:53 PM
PC requirements for Total War 3 Kingdoms alongside some additional information and tech details
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/three-kingdoms-tech-effects-and-system-specs

WYP
14-03-19, 05:12 PM
PC requirements for Total War 3 Kingdoms alongside some additional information and tech details
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/three-kingdoms-tech-effects-and-system-specs

YES!!!!! HYPPPPPPE!!! Thanks for this!

NeverBackDown
14-03-19, 07:24 PM
YES!!!!! HYPPPPPPE!!! Thanks for this!

Welcome bud. I'll be honest really wasn't interested in the game but I'm kinda looking forward to it now.

WYP
14-03-19, 07:41 PM
Welcome bud. I'll be honest really wasn't interested in the game but I'm kinda looking forward to it now.

I love the Total War series. Not very interested in this historical period, but TBH Total War games have gotten me on a history binge before.

I always get a good number of hours out of a new Total War. The only one, since they went to Steam, that I have less than 10 hours in is Attila. The rest have 30+.

Should be interesting to play, especially with the Romance and History modes to change things up.

AlienALX
14-03-19, 08:53 PM
https://www.polygon.com/2019/3/14/18265430/back-4-blood-turtle-rock-left-4-dead

New Left 4 Dead style game called Back 4 Blood. Made by Turtle Rock, the same team who did L4D.

tgrech
16-03-19, 05:29 PM
Not news but I accidentally just came across Lisa Su confirming Vega 7nm for gamers as far back as mid 2018, certainly doesn't fit with the narrative of a rushed launch and brings up questions of how the cooler ended up so out of place.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/07/amd-radeon-graphics-chief-we-lost-gaming-momentum-chasing-ai/#2499c51529fd

AMD CEO Dr. Lisa Su promised that a 7nm Vega GPU will eventually reach the hands of gamers.

It's an interesting old article though with regards to how AMD has refocussed GPU development on media/gaming rather than AI since Raja Koduri left.

Dicehunter
16-03-19, 05:33 PM
Not news but I accidentally just came across Lisa Su confirming Vega 7nm for gamers as far back as mid 2018, certainly doesn't fit with the narrative of a rushed launch and brings up questions of how the cooler ended up so out of place.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/07/amd-radeon-graphics-chief-we-lost-gaming-momentum-chasing-ai/#2499c51529fd


The cooler itself is extremely well built but the cold plate is very concave that over half of it doesn't even make contact with the GPU die resulting in 110'c junction temps, Personally I think the manufacturer tried to cut corners on levelling it out, Not necessarily AMD themselves.

WYP
16-03-19, 05:49 PM
Not news but I accidentally just came across Lisa Su confirming Vega 7nm for gamers as far back as mid 2018, certainly doesn't fit with the narrative of a rushed launch and brings up questions of how the cooler ended up so out of place.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/06/07/amd-radeon-graphics-chief-we-lost-gaming-momentum-chasing-ai/#2499c51529fd



It's an interesting old article though with regards to how AMD has refocussed GPU development on media/gaming rather than AI since Raja Koduri left.

I could be wrong, but I distinctly remember her saying that 7nm GPUs would get into the hands of gamers. Not 7nm Vega.

IE, the way some questions were phrased to Lisa was if 7nm Vega was coming to gamers and the answer was along the lines of "7nm GPUs will come to gamers", not mentioning Vega specifically.

As I said above, I could be wrong, but that is how a remember things going down back then.

tgrech
16-03-19, 06:12 PM
From what I can tell from articles at the time she first said the above and then clarified later that "no 7nm gaming GPU would be released by AMD this year" which from what I can see was the source of all articles claiming Vega20 was not going to be in a consumer Radeon GPU ever around the time as it was pegged for (And had) a November launch.

Wraith
18-03-19, 04:09 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtmRsen9yh4

Oh lord let this be a real thing that Disney don't shut down..

If anyone manages to download the demo please can you drop box it! I've been trying for over an hour.

Dark NighT
18-03-19, 04:16 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtmRsen9yh4

Oh lord let this be a real thing that Disney don't shut down..


They will sadly, if its news worthy and video on youtube, it will get canned by disney.

Dicehunter
21-03-19, 06:14 PM
Official specs have been released for the AC3 remaster, Pretty good requirements for 4K.


https://i.imgur.com/OB7yz2h.jpg

WYP
21-03-19, 06:46 PM
Official specs have been released for the AC3 remaster, Pretty good requirements for 4K.


https://i.imgur.com/OB7yz2h.jpg

Ooooooooooo. Nice! Thanks Dice!

Warchild
21-03-19, 07:46 PM
Official specs have been released for the AC3 remaster, Pretty good requirements for 4K.


https://i.imgur.com/OB7yz2h.jpg

I love the focus on AMD here with Intel and Nvidia in lower case normal font. I love the fact I see more and more AMD focussed games. Nvidia seem to be losing their bullyish dominance slowly.

WYP
21-03-19, 08:11 PM
I love the focus on AMD here with Intel and Nvidia in lower case normal font. I love the fact I see more and more AMD focussed games. Nvidia seem to be losing their bullyish dominance slowly.

TBH AMD seems to be a good hardware partner, focusing more on getting better performance than merely adding extra graphical fluff on top of games.

As cool as Ray Tracing and DLSS is, what most people want is to get more out of what they have, and in the case of AMD they can also use their expertise to help the console versions too.

Think of AMD's last three promoted games, Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5 and The Division 2. All of them perform very well on PC.

Warchild
21-03-19, 09:41 PM
TBH AMD seems to be a good hardware partner, focusing more on getting better performance than merely adding extra graphical fluff on top of games.

As cool as Ray Tracing and DLSS is, what most people want is to get more out of what they have, and in the case of AMD they can also use their expertise to help the console versions too.

Think of AMD's last three promoted games, Resident Evil 2, Devil May Cry 5 and The Division 2. All of them perform very well on PC.

I know its quick news here, but you couldn't have phrased that any better.

Dicehunter
22-03-19, 11:27 AM
Been waiting years for this, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines 2 is finally happening :D

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2019/03/22/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-preview/

tgrech
22-03-19, 12:51 PM
At long last, Valve does some much needed software development

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-03-22-steam-library-is-getting-a-much-needed-makeover

Warchild
22-03-19, 05:23 PM
At long last, Valve does some much needed software development

https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-03-22-steam-library-is-getting-a-much-needed-makeover

And I bet had Epic not been a contender, that overhaul would never have happened.

Dicehunter
23-03-19, 06:15 PM
Just from looking around on the various store fronts it looks like Detroit Become Human, Beyond Two Souls and Heavy Rain may be exclusive to the Epic store front, This is not a good practise that Epic have going on.

https://www.epicgames.com/store/en-US/news/epic-games-at-gdc?utm_campaign=Oktopost-EGS+-+GDC+Titles&utm_content=Oktopost-facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook

tgrech
23-03-19, 06:46 PM
Those titles are self-published by the developers, they're working directly with Epic to get them on PC I think, the higher cut and more curated store probably makes the move from console after so long a lot more enticing given the risks usually associated with a PC launch, especially with no publisher behind them.

After Metro Exodus it's mostly been developers choosing exclusivity (at least during the period of highest sales) for the ensured higher margins and stuff rather than Epic asking for it in a deal I think from how they've been talking about it, UE4 games have almost three times the licensing fees(12% vs 35%) when sold through Steam rather than Epic which isn't really a trivial amount.

NeverBackDown
23-03-19, 06:49 PM
Who honestly cares where the games are. Just buy it if you like it. MS has exclusive titles through its store. Nobody gives a damn about that.

AngryGoldfish
23-03-19, 06:59 PM
Yeah, I really don't get why people are so bothered by this. I know that it's awesome having everything in one place. You can look at your game list and it's a nice feeling. And it's convenient too. I don't like buying my comics from comixology even though it's often cheaper than buying from Amazong (even though Amazon owns comixology) because I began collecting and reading digital comics using Kindle and that's where all my comics are now. If I buy from comixology, for some reason they don't come up on Kindle. Comixology says this is normal. The point is, I'd rather pay the extra 50c and buy it from Amazon because then it'll be added to my Kindle app and it'll all be neat and tidy. But if I HAD to buy a certain comic and use a certain app for it, it wouldn't bother me that much as long as the app was perfectly functional. I'm there at the end of the day to read the comic so what does it matter? You're there to play the game. A computer can have hundreds of apps and still function the same as if you had ten. If the Epic Store app is functional then it doesn't bother me. As long as the game works and the app works, that's what matters.

AlienALX
23-03-19, 07:01 PM
Eggs and baskets. At least if one company folds you won't lose all your games. Glass half full and all that crap.

Warchild
24-03-19, 11:44 AM
Who honestly cares where the games are. Just buy it if you like it. MS has exclusive titles through its store. Nobody gives a damn about that.

Sadly people are too stupid to think like this. I honestly don't understand how stubborn and naive people are now.

I guess we live in a generation where so many gamers are spoon fed their daily dose of whatever, that the moment the spoon is changed they start to cry even though what they are feeding on never changes.

tgrech
24-03-19, 11:51 AM
Personally I just think it's the increased accessibility of PC gaming, while it is a great thing, it does mean many people coming to PC are coming as an upgrade in some way from console gaming particularly to play some games competitively and want higher framerates and M+K and stuff, rather than for the wider possibilities and library of the platform or whatever, and particularly younger ones (17 or under) would have grown up with generation 7 as their first home consoles and will have come to expect a closed all online unified platform as standard I guess and just want a Console+ kind of experience.

But I do see many old men calling for thee kinds of boycotts as some kind of moral calling or something too, it seems to be common for this kind of pitchforking to happen in gaming communities.

Dicehunter
24-03-19, 11:53 AM
Who honestly cares where the games are. Just buy it if you like it. MS has exclusive titles through its store. Nobody gives a damn about that.


I don't care if I have to install another launcher as I already have Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Battle.Net, Bethesda and now Epic, I just think going the exclusives route is a bit slimy the way Epic are doing it especially with Metro and now Outer worlds especially as both were advertised as also being available on Steam prior to the Epic announcement, Don't get me wrong I do not want Steam as a monopoly but buying 1 year rights to sell a game is slimy business.

tgrech
24-03-19, 12:26 PM
Outer Worlds isn't Epic exclusive, it's still going to be on MS Store as well and Epic keys will be sold via Humble Store without any cut going to Epic.

Obviously, these several companies are still working together to try and ring fence games from Steam to remove its dominance and Valves subsequent power over all PC gaming atm, but it's not really about money directly or any single company attempting to gain influence, more a portion of the industry attempting to take influence away from one single company.

NeverBackDown
24-03-19, 06:00 PM
I don't care if I have to install another launcher as I already have Steam, Uplay, Origin, GOG, Battle.Net, Bethesda and now Epic, I just think going the exclusives route is a bit slimy the way Epic are doing it especially with Metro and now Outer worlds especially as both were advertised as also being available on Steam prior to the Epic announcement, Don't get me wrong I do not want Steam as a monopoly but buying 1 year rights to sell a game is slimy business.

So what about MS store and it's exclusive rights for forever? Nobody gives a damn about that. Never see it mentioned. Halo is only MS Store. Nobody cares. Yet Epic is only holding it for a year for some titles. then it goes everywhere. It's literally a better option people complain about.

FTLN
25-03-19, 06:05 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtmRsen9yh4

Oh lord let this be a real thing that Disney don't shut down..

If anyone manages to download the demo please can you drop box it! I've been trying for over an hour.

You can dl on from my NAS : here (https://synology.lear.ovh:5001/sharing/rZbwtEz1D) pw = oc3d

tgrech
25-03-19, 04:28 PM
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288237-google-stadia-is-powered-by-intel-cpus-not-amd
Not too surprising but it seems Google have confirmed that their initial hardware for Stadia is Intel CPU based but people expect the ambiguity there implies that decision could change in the future.

WYP
25-03-19, 04:36 PM
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288237-google-stadia-is-powered-by-intel-cpus-not-amd
Not too surprising but it seems Google have confirmed that their initial hardware for Stadia is Intel CPU based but people expect the ambiguity there implies that decision could change in the future.

All I will say here is that AMD's official line on this is that they have only announced that they are Google's GPU partner. This is being misconstrued as "we are not their CPU partner".

As with AMD's other console/gaming ventures, it is not up to them to announce the specs of the part. That said, the specs do appear to be an Intel-based product.

Given how vague Google is being regarding the CPU, it is possible that their final CPU is subject to change. Google has not listed Intel as a hardware partner and their listing of cache leaves space for a "we upgraded it to this" announcements later down the line.

What I am getting at here is that AMD cannot say anything that Google doesn't want to be revealed, and Google has not 100% confirmed that they are using an Intel CPU.

Based on the specs they announced, it looks like they are using an Intel CPU.

Warchild
25-03-19, 06:20 PM
https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/288237-google-stadia-is-powered-by-intel-cpus-not-amd
Not too surprising but it seems Google have confirmed that their initial hardware for Stadia is Intel CPU based but people expect the ambiguity there implies that decision could change in the future.

Depending on its release, it could be a primer for Intel new Xe GPU too.

tgrech
26-03-19, 11:06 AM
To be honest if Epyc2 has notably better power efficiency than Intels best parts as shown at CES then I think we all know why they're not saying much yet.

I think Xe is too far off for anyone to be making decisions on rollouts yet, feasibly any next gen card will likely replace the current models within 12 months I guess. Maybe NVidia's lack of functional open source Linux drivers rule them out idk.

WYP
26-03-19, 12:46 PM
To be honest if Epyc2 has notably better power efficiency than Intels best parts as shown at CES then I think we all know why they're not saying much yet.

I think Xe is too far off for anyone to be making decisions on rollouts yet, feasibly any next gen card will likely replace the current models within 12 months I guess. Maybe NVidia's lack of functional open source Linux drivers rule them out idk.

With Amazon launching the platform this year we can pretty much guarantee that the service will not be using Intel Xe GPUs. Those won't be ready anytime soon.

tgrech
26-03-19, 12:54 PM
Yeah I think Warchild was more proposing an eventual switch to them since edge-datacentre hardware usually stops being economical and gets swapped out as soon as something notably more power efficient becomes viable, depending on where its located/power costs it can be pretty economical for these places to have 12 month hardware cycles at most.

Nowadays the energy spent on cooling these places can start to dwarf the hardware consumption itself in many climates.

A lot of rollouts like tthe Google Fibre initiative is so cheap because they just use recycled datacentre hardware that's no longer economical in high density environments so those parts still get life.

WYP
26-03-19, 01:03 PM
Yeah I think Warchild was more proposing an eventual switch to them since edge-datacentre hardware usually stops being economical and gets swapped out as soon as something notably more power efficient becomes viable, depending on where its located/power costs it can be pretty economical for these places to have 12 month hardware cycles at most.

You are right, but Google could also switch to Navi when it releases. They have committed to using AMD's Radeon GPU profiler and other developer tools, so it makes sense for them to stick to AMD unless the Intel option is vastly superior.

Constantly changing hardware for this kind of platform would also be hugely annoying for developers, as it would prevent them from accessing the console-like levels of hardware optimisation that should be expected from fixed specification platforms.

With Google being the new kid on the block, they need to make sure they keep developers happy. Stadia will live and die with developer support.

AlienALX
26-03-19, 01:06 PM
You can dl on from my NAS : here (https://synology.lear.ovh:5001/sharing/rZbwtEz1D) pw = oc3d

I don't want it but thanks for doing that.

tgrech
26-03-19, 01:20 PM
Personally I don't think Xe will be a particularly great gaming chip(And I agree Navi would be by far the logical choice, console commonality and stuff) in any way since Raja Koduri was basically forced to leave as a result of his heavy focus on AI dogging the multimedia side of their chips, and a good gaming pipeline takes many years to mature, and by the time the chip launches AI will be a progressively even more profitable enterprise market than multimedia.

But to be fair the dev tools so far all leave a lot of room for hardware agnosticism, they don't seem to support close-to-the-metal programming for most devs and instead build the platform on existing game engines with lots of abstraction like Unity & Unreal with just profilers & debugging tools for the hardware specific side (https://www.stadia.dev/about/#developer-tools__details).

I guess the exception is those very few developers that work directly with Vulkan without translation layers but so far commercially that is only id isn't it?

Warchild
26-03-19, 01:50 PM
Yeah I think Warchild was more proposing an eventual switch to them since edge-datacentre hardware usually stops being economical and gets swapped out as soon as something notably more power efficient becomes viable, depending on where its located/power costs it can be pretty economical for these places to have 12 month hardware cycles at most.

Nowadays the energy spent on cooling these places can start to dwarf the hardware consumption itself in many climates.

A lot of rollouts like tthe Google Fibre initiative is so cheap because they just use recycled datacentre hardware that's no longer economical in high density environments so those parts still get life.

Correctamundo

Warchild
26-03-19, 02:02 PM
Personally I don't think Xe will be a particularly great gaming chip(And I agree Navi would be by far the logical choice, console commonality and stuff) in any way since Raja Koduri was basically forced to leave as a result of his heavy focus on AI dogging the multimedia side of their chips, and a good gaming pipeline takes many years to mature, and by the time the chip launches AI will be a progressively even more profitable enterprise market than multimedia.

But to be fair the dev tools so far all leave a lot of room for hardware agnosticism, they don't seem to support close-to-the-metal programming for most devs and instead build the platform on existing game engines with lots of abstraction like Unity & Unreal with just profilers & debugging tools for the hardware specific side (https://www.stadia.dev/about/#developer-tools__details).

I guess the exception is those very few developers that work directly with Vulkan without translation layers but so far commercially that is only id isn't it?

I honestly dont see Intel entering the Gaming market with a new GPU that is not competitive at the high end. Afterall, they strive to be the top dog in the CPU market. It could be that they will go for broke, release something, and if its not on par with the high end of that segment, release a statement "we aimed for mainstream not enthusiast".

tgrech
26-03-19, 02:27 PM
Well, most of the money and marketshare is sub-£250, high end to most non-enthusiast people is a £300 GPU, Raja knows this better than anyone since this is where GCN was always targeted, Tahiti and Polaris were arguably GCN at its best.

Intel would already have their work cut out for them scaling Gen11 up that far, and we already know the dGPU parts are a kind of jack-of-all-trades arch like Vega, I think it will be positioned as a kind of prosumer card personally.

Even NVidia are taking the approach of big not-so-gaming optimised compute heavy dies now with Turing. Pascal's approach was great for (price or die size)/perf but only for what we currently/used to consider traditional graphics pipelines, leaving more of the optimisation to the software side of things like with GCN/Turing is exactly what Intel tried to do with Larrabee(And Itanium) and it's been their approach with CPUs for decades but is only really viable recently with more diverse and optimised and increasingly complex and organic software stacks.

This is why Larrabee was technically the first DX12 card.

AngryGoldfish
26-03-19, 06:05 PM
I don't think Intel will aim for the high-end. I would say they need to build a foundation of costumers before jumping aboard the enthusiast-train, and that will mean laptops, midrange semi-custom builds, and budget pre-built systems. AMD already have a hard time converting convincing enthusiasts to buy their products and they've been at it for years. Even if Intel were competitive, I think people will still favour Nvidia or even AMD. But if they start small and work their way up over the period of a decade, I'd say that they could easily be ready to take on the high-end market later in the 2020's.

Warchild
26-03-19, 06:24 PM
I don't think Intel will aim for the high-end. I would say they need to build a foundation of costumers before jumping aboard the enthusiast-train, and that will mean laptops, midrange semi-custom builds, and budget pre-built systems. AMD already have a hard time converting convincing enthusiasts to buy their products and they've been at it for years. Even if Intel were competitive, I think people will still favour Nvidia or even AMD. But if they start small and work their way up over the period of a decade, I'd say that they could easily be ready to take on the high-end market later in the 2020's.

Not a dig at you. But it is amusing how many english speaking people on this forum are mixing up customers with costumers. :D

However you could be right. Build the clientele, get their support and confidence, and then push the R&D up a notch to expand the market segment capitalisation. It does make sense.

AngryGoldfish
26-03-19, 06:29 PM
Not a dig at you. But it is amusing how many english speaking people on this forum are mixing up customers with costumers. :D

However you could be right. Build the clientele, get their support and confidence, and then push the R&D up a notch to expand the market segment capitalisation. It does make sense.

Hah! I didn't even notice, but you're right. :D

Warchild
27-03-19, 09:58 AM
EA just laid off 350 people.

Wonder if the poor Anthem sales had an impact on this

https://www.thenerdmag.com/ea-fires-350-people-in-marketing-publishing-and-analytics/

tgrech
27-03-19, 10:28 AM
NVidia takes open source safety framework developed and released by Intel, changes some words, turns into proprietary solution, claims as their own industry first on stage. Intel then blasts both the marketing and the naivety of the implementation in a several page report.

Here's a "summary" article (1) since the report itself (2) or the 8 page comparison table that goes with it are kinda long.

1) https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/288367-intel-blasts-nvidia-for-inferior-self-driving-technology)
2) https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/innovation-requires-originality/#gs.339i3w

AngryGoldfish
27-03-19, 01:54 PM
EA just laid off 350 people.

Wonder if the poor Anthem sales had an impact on this

https://www.thenerdmag.com/ea-fires-350-people-in-marketing-publishing-and-analytics/

For the betterment of the consumer. Ignoring the fact that those 350 workers are also consumers. But hey, us consumers are more important!

NeverBackDown
27-03-19, 03:58 PM
EA just laid off 350 people.

Wonder if the poor Anthem sales had an impact on this

https://www.thenerdmag.com/ea-fires-350-people-in-marketing-publishing-and-analytics/

Nothing with Anthem. It's just EA in general is performing subpar. The people leaving are mostly marketing.

g0ggles1994
27-03-19, 04:00 PM
EA just laid off 350 people.

Wonder if the poor Anthem sales had an impact on this

https://www.thenerdmag.com/ea-fires-350-people-in-marketing-publishing-and-analytics/
It will be, shareholders aren't happy so the first thing to do? Layoffs and pull out of markets where they have no presence aka Russia and Japan.

NVidia takes open source safety framework developed and released by Intel, changes some words, turns into proprietary solution, claims as their own industry first on stage. Intel then blasts both the marketing and the naivety of the implementation in a several page report.

Here's a "summary" article (1) since the report itself (2) or the 8 page comparison table that goes with it are kinda long.

1) https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/288367-intel-blasts-nvidia-for-inferior-self-driving-technology)
2) https://newsroom.intel.com/editorials/innovation-requires-originality/#gs.339i3w
Now I don't support Intel at the best of times but damn I stand with them on this. I utterly despise Nvidia's unadulterated arrogance beyond anything else. Seriously, I hope they get crushed; whether by AMD or Intel, I don't care.

Read the article now, going to give that editorial a read later.

Warchild
27-03-19, 04:33 PM
Nothing with Anthem. It's just EA in general is performing subpar. The people leaving are mostly marketing.

Well that is why I considered putting it down to Anthem. To me, it was marketed very poorly. Firstly, demo hidden behind a preorder. For many of us on forums, we were aware of the poor performing demo, but mainstream users often rely on trailers, and marketting to win them over. Honestly I saw nothing here in Norway, yet Division had billboards everywhere.

NeverBackDown
27-03-19, 04:49 PM
Well that is why I considered putting it down to Anthem. To me, it was marketed very poorly. Firstly, demo hidden behind a preorder. For many of us on forums, we were aware of the poor performing demo, but mainstream users often rely on trailers, and marketting to win them over. Honestly I saw nothing here in Norway, yet Division had billboards everywhere.

Well marketing had a lot to do with it and they tell the Devs what players want(apparently they forgot about good performance, or marketing pushed them to release to soon), apparently they got it so very wrong that now marketing is gone^_^

Divsion 2 is a hit. Game is relaxing and fun. I don't have to try hard to do well like I would for Rainbow Six for example.

tgrech
27-03-19, 04:56 PM
The decision was made several months ago, according to employees, so I don't think Anthem could have anything to do with it.

By October employees expected at least major reshuffles to the department after they had stopped hiring and put a freeze on travel for some time before that so it was obvious to them what was going to happen to the department for a while.

Warchild
27-03-19, 05:02 PM
Well marketing had a lot to do with it and they tell the Devs what players want(apparently they forgot about good performance, or marketing pushed them to release to soon), apparently they got it so very wrong that now marketing is gone^_^

Divsion 2 is a hit. Game is relaxing and fun. I don't have to try hard to do well like I would for Rainbow Six for example.

Should join Thefearchannel and I for some strongholds. It has got fun yes. Noob me, hit 30 and thought there was nothing more to do until I realised strongholds held story missions.



Saw this over at our friends at Kitguru

https://www.kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/matthew-wilson/nvidia-rtx-20-series-price-cuts-swoop-in/

Price cuts for the 20xx series cards.

NeverBackDown
27-03-19, 08:41 PM
Should join Thefearchannel and I for some strongholds. It has got fun yes. Noob me, hit 30 and thought there was nothing more to do until I realised strongholds held story missions.



I unfortunately have it on PS4. I mean it's unfortunate because it's not PC but it's fortunate because I got it for free. Can't complain^_^
Otherwise I would definitely play with you two. My PC friends all went to PS4 because half the friend group can't afford a decent PC. So I no longer have anyone to play with lol
But tbf I haven't played on my PC consistently since probably last September. Probably only put on 20 hours since then

Warchild
28-03-19, 08:00 AM
I unfortunately have it on PS4. I mean it's unfortunate because it's not PC but it's fortunate because I got it for free. Can't complain^_^
Otherwise I would definitely play with you two. My PC friends all went to PS4 because half the friend group can't afford a decent PC. So I no longer have anyone to play with lol
But tbf I haven't played on my PC consistently since probably last September. Probably only put on 20 hours since then

It's probably the best optimised ubisoft release since.. hmm actually it is the best.
No graphical bugs, good fps, good gfx options etc etc. Everything cranked to full and im hitting 75-80fps.

There are stutters, but that seems to be down to hardware and Dx12. I rolled back to Dx 11 and saw no issues anymore.

looz
31-03-19, 05:43 PM
Introducing GeForce RTX R.O.N. – World’s First Holographic Gaming Assistant


https://youtu.be/3GZM5a07GgU

tgrech
31-03-19, 06:07 PM
I hate April fools day news lol

looz
31-03-19, 06:08 PM
It's not april fools yet so has to be legit, right?

demonking
31-03-19, 06:48 PM
Apparent big Intel gpu leak
https://wccftech.com/intel-xe-unleashed-gpu-lineup-leaked-xe-power-2-flagship-graphics-card-roadmap-and-more/

Hopefully true

tgrech
31-03-19, 07:06 PM
To be honest I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 vendors actually did have MCM GPUs out in 2021 given how much they've all published openly on the topic over the last 5 years, scaling silicon is increasingly coming at the cost of total die size and that would help break that cycle of low end products being exclusive to new nodes.

NVidia has been pretty open that it's just signalling technology in the way of them making the move, might explain some recent expensive purchases.

looz
31-03-19, 07:34 PM
"Direct3D 14_2 feature level"


umm

tgrech
31-03-19, 07:48 PM
The dates in that article don't exist it's very much fake but tbh coming from wccf it could turn out to be pretty accurate for their standards imo.

demonking
31-03-19, 07:51 PM
"Direct3D 14_2 feature level"


umm

LOL I tried. Won't beat the 100 fan h100 anytime soon

WYP
01-04-19, 08:08 AM
I was gonna try and think up a good piece of fake news for this morning but ended up being far too busy over the weekend.

Spent a lot of time with my new GF on Saturday and ended up travelling to my home town to surprise my mum for mother's day.

Nothing beats this though. Might be the most read thing I have ever put on the website.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/britain_has_been_officially_removed_from_euro_truc k_simulator/1

Warchild
01-04-19, 08:50 AM
I was gonna try and think up a good piece of fake news for this morning but ended up being far too busy over the weekend.

Spent a lot of time with my new GF on Saturday and ended up travelling to my home town to surprise my mum for mother's day.

Nothing beats this though. Might be the most read thing I have ever put on the website.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/gpu_displays/britain_has_been_officially_removed_from_euro_truc k_simulator/1

meh fake news is bad enough the other 364 days a year. Thought we were better than that to start posting them here.

WYP
01-04-19, 08:59 AM
meh fake news is bad enough the other 364 days a year. Thought we were better than that to start posting them here.

We all need a good joke every now and then. It has been a looong time since we have posted something like that.

This one was from the day after the Brexit vote in 2016. A once in a lifetime opportunity. The piece was always listed as satire and the quotes from J.Oaker should make things even clearer.

To be honest joke articles are fine IMHO, so long as it is clear that it's a joke. Like Tom's 100-fan H100 thing. We all need a little silly in our lives.

tgrech
02-04-19, 10:35 PM
Just realised the CPU cache numbers for Cascade Lake matches up directly with Stadia's CPU cache figures not sure if that's really news but yeah the 9.5MB L2 + L3 figure given for it works since it's upto 38.5MB L3 per die, upto 28 cores per die so you'd get 5.5MB per 4 core vCPU then there's 1MB L2 per core so 9.5MB total per 4 cores.

Warchild
09-04-19, 08:06 AM
Corsair issued a recall on their H100i Platinum RGB AIO

http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=186413

Dear CORSAIR Customers,

As a precautionary measure, CORSAIR regrets to recall a select lot code of the Hydro Series H100i RGB PLATINUM SE (CW-9060041-WW) Liquid CPU cooler. Here’s what this means to you.

1. We discovered that less than 1% of Hydro Series H100i RGB PLATINUM SE coolers sold to date are leaking small amounts of coolant into the hose sleeving. These leaks are easy to spot, as the sleeving is white, and coolant is bright green.

2. While this problem should be immediately visible when the box is opened, it can, in some cases, manifest over time.

3. Only a select lot code of affected units has been sold, lot code 1852. You can identify your cooler’s lot code by referring to its packaging, or the serial number sticker on the cooler’s radiator (see picture below & attached).

https://i.imgur.com/M11R3JT.png

4. If your cooler is in lot code 1852, please contact CORSAIR at https://support.corsair.com to arrange for an RMA and replacement of your cooler free of charge. Replacement units will be available from April 2nd 2019.

5. This issue only affects lot code 1852 of the White Hydro Series H100i RGB PLATINUM SE liquid CPU cooler. All other lot codes of the H100i RGB PLATINUM SE and versions of the H100i RGB PLATINUM are unaffected.

We realize that the replacement of a CPU cooler is a potentially disruptive process, but wish to avoid further issues, or serious damage, to any user's system. We sincerely apologize for the inconvenience this will cause to our affected customers, and our customer service team is ready to help make this right.

Many Thanks,

CORSAIR Customer Service Team

g0ggles1994
12-04-19, 09:51 AM
AMD -well, ATI- have won a patent appeal against LGE with all parties citing that the original PTAB ruling was done incorrectly

https://www.ipwatchdog.com/2019/04/11/federal-circuit-overrules-ptab-ati-technologies-ulc-v-iancu/id=108182/

Dicehunter
12-04-19, 08:46 PM
Superposition has been updated to 1.1


https://unigine.com/en/news/2019/superposition-benchmark-1-1-free-vr-to-everyone


In a few words, we made interactive VR mode available for the free Basic edition. Use Oculus Rift, HTC Vive / Vive Pro or other SteamVR-compatible HMDs and enjoy high-quality immersive VR graphics interacting with over 900 objects. We also improved hardware detection algorithms and increased maximum rendering resolution up to 16384 х 16384.

FTLN
12-04-19, 10:10 PM
Asus release bios for some Z370 boards adding microcode for upcoming Comet Lake : https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-MAXIMUS-X-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

Version 1901
2019/04/1110.35 MBytes
ROG MAXIMUS X HERO BIOS 1901
Updated uCode for the latest Intel processor.

Warchild
16-04-19, 10:44 AM
Fortnite and PUBG to be banned in Iraq citing links to violence and crime

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fortnite-ban-iraq-apex-legends-pubg-violence-games-a8870471.html


In November, a young male accidentally killed one of his friends with a shotgun in Erbil province, in what was said to be a “roleplay” of PUBG.

Dicehunter
16-04-19, 10:45 AM
Fortnite and PUBG to be banned in Iraq citing links to violence and crime

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/fortnite-ban-iraq-apex-legends-pubg-violence-games-a8870471.html


In a country that has been known to burn gay men alive and kill rape victims, Banning games is rich.

tgrech
18-04-19, 09:55 PM
https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2019-04-18-cult-cel-shaded-shooter-xiii-is-getting-the-remake-treatment-this-november

Classic 6th gen shooter XIII is getting a remake, have very fond memories of this game.

NeverBackDown
19-04-19, 05:32 AM
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.infoworld.com/article/3390197/microsoft-aims-for-simplicity-with-bosque-programming-language.amp.html

Microsoft released an academic programming language, Bosque, that is specifically designed to massively reduce complexity in programming. For example it has no loops! I personally don't know enough to understand the implications of that as I've just been learning how to use loops from day one.
It's based off Typescript, Node/JavaScript, and ML semantics.

Much more information, here's another link.
https://bit.ly/2Zk1sky

I personally think this is a very cool way of looking at programming and solving long known problems related to Object Oriented Programming concepts. Seems like the massively reduced complexity will also help younger kids understand functional programming better and provide an alternative to Python.

Edit: I'd be interested in anyone with good knowledge of Programming be able to provide more insight if possible:)

tgrech
19-04-19, 11:07 AM
Edit

Basically, this whole thing is about creating a language where you can look at a line and see what it does, without having to know whether a random variable 1000 lines down might affect it, while removing these unnecessary abstract concepts that are particularly error prone once thrust into the hands of humans is the key to these new wave programming languages.

I don't think they're necessary for teaching stuff to kids, I'm sure many can grasp Python or VB just fine, but the things you learn with traditional languages could easily be considered useless with the modern shift of paradigms towards unbreakable code, so personally I think this more academia routed approach is far better for pedagogic programming.

Warchild
19-04-19, 02:20 PM
The goals and some of the syntax here remind me of Haskell, a lovely little language I've not had a chance to use practically outside of academia, that is nearly impossible to make mistakes with. Personally my background is primarily in microprocessor design, semiconductor physics, and close-to-the metal programming so these extremely abstract languages are long way off my formal educational background(Besides the pure mathematics that underpins it all) but since I've been programming for around a decade now long before formal education and kinda nailed it qualification wise imo(Top percentile of grades in Britain woo, basically got me my position at uni given I was raised in poverty) before I went to uni I've always loved the abstract programming side of things as a way of getting my more pure mathematically minded friends to enjoy the same stuff as me as a kid(These friends are now physicists so far far smarter than me lol). Though nowadays I have to use a lot C#(Very similar and using the same framework as VB.net taught in most British high schools), far more abstract and simple than even C++ but amazingly useful for modern user application development and probably my third most used language after C (Since everyone wants to control their microcontrollers with their smartphones nowadays) so I still have to dabble in OOP despite of course having to customarily consider it heretical abstraction coming from my background, to p off all my lowly software """engineer""" friends ;).

For work atm I do more programming in close to the metal languages(Assembly languages & ANSI C are my bread and butter) than the more abstract OOP types since I do most of my work on hardware(Although they're easier to work with a language as abstract as C++ becomes abit useless with low resource realtime embedded systems, you lose the 1:1 correlation between its compiled assembly/machine code and have to trust the memory management system).

Traditional programmers often view loops as a fundamental part of programming(Almost true, recursion is truly fundamental), but anyone with more of a background in the mathematics side of things will often find they're essentially used to mimic vector operations most of the time, and many languages like this or Haskell has made strides by throwing out the old hardware derived programming paradigms and moving to more abstract mathematical ones which have of course been perfected by nature and thousands of years of academia(As I'm sure you can guess Al-gebra and Al-gorithms are concepts derived from Muslim academia).
If you've ever wondered what a loop looks like in Assembly, basically any type will translate to a branch statement like GOTO/JUMP, which without a good predictor that means you're likely to have to flush the processors pipeline, stack & cache which of course incurs significant performance penalties. This means basically, if you want to optimise code for simple low resource hardware, you have to start unrolling loops(Which has the adverse affect of increasing memory size) and get deep into the analysis of which ones do what on a hardware level to avoid pipeline bubbles(Modern compilers for abstract languages will often unroll loops automatically).
Loop invariants are a lovely little trick you can use for all sorts of tasks, but ultimately these kinds of tricks are a perfect example of something that's almost too abstract for humans to use reliably, these are exactly the kind of things we should avoid in future abstract languages(I'll leave mutable states and reference equality to someone more into the OOP side of things incase I leave out something important if you want someone to go into those since I've already ranted too much sry).

Basically, this whole thing is about creating a language where you can look at a line and see what it does, without having to know whether a random variable 1000 lines down might affect it, while removing these unnecessary abstract concepts that are particularly error prone once thrust into the hands of humans is the key to these new wave programming languages.

I don't think they're necessary for teaching stuff to kids, I'm sure many can grasp Python or VB just fine, but the things you learn with traditional languages could easily be considered useless with the modern shift of paradigms towards unbreakable code, so personally I think this more academia routed approach is far better for pedagogic programming.

Quick news is not the place for walls of text my friend... :)

tgrech
20-04-19, 04:47 PM
Yeaah that was a bit of a coffee rant there snipped it down

Looks like there's a history of Sony PS chips(And other console APUs) being tested via 3DMARK and there might be some indications "Gonzalo" is the "PS5" chip.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU0V5OcHE_4

With current "qualification spec" parts that seems to indicate 3.2Ghz CPU and 1.8Ghz possibly "Navi 10 lite" GPU(No indication of size or performance)

Dicehunter
21-04-19, 05:09 PM
A fantastic offer from Microsoft is going on, Get the Xbox Game Pass for 3 months for £1, Cancel anytime you want and within that 3 months play full games on PC like Crackdown 3, ReCore etc...

https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-game-pass?OCID=AID736704_OLA_22541435_244023167_1147620 31

List of games so far for PC -



ARK: Survival Evolved
Crackdown 3
Disneyland Adventures
Forza Horizon 4
Gears of War 4
Halo Wars 2
Halo Wars Definitive Edition
Hello Neighbor
ReCore
Ruiner
Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Sea of Thieves
Snake Pass
State of Decay 2
Super Lucky's Tale
Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection

Edited as apparently Microsoft can't be bothered to include an easily accessible section labelling all PC Game Pass titles.

NeverBackDown
21-04-19, 05:57 PM
A fantastic offer from Microsoft is going on, Get the Xbox Game Pass for 3 months for £1, Cancel anytime you want and within that 3 months play full games on PC like Crackdown 3, ReCore etc...

https://www.xbox.com/en-GB/xbox-game-pass?OCID=AID736704_OLA_22541435_244023167_1147620 31

List of games so far for PC -



ARK: Survival Evolved
Crackdown 3
Disneyland Adventures
Forza Horizon 4
Gears of War 4
Halo Wars 2
Halo Wars Definitive Edition
Hello Neighbor
ReCore
Ruiner
Rush: A Disney-Pixar Adventure
Sea of Thieves
Snake Pass
State of Decay 2
Super Lucky's Tale
Zoo Tycoon: Ultimate Animal Collection

Edited as apparently Microsoft can't be bothered to include an easily accessible section labelling all PC Game Pass titles.

I'm normally always gonna go for something like that. Such a shame for me since I start a new Programming course tomorrow. I would love to play Horizon 4 and Halo Wars 2 for next to nothing... Oh well priorities and all.

tgrech
22-04-19, 02:32 PM
GPD are switching to AMD in their popular handheld gaming console style(Clamshell/DS like) PC line(Win line, this is the Win Max model), using the same Ryzen V1605B SoC as the Smach Z, it's essentially the embedded version of the R5 2500U from what I can see(4C/8T, 3.6Ghz max boost with Vega8 graphics, 12-25W configurable TDP)

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-intel-gpd-win-max,39127.html

EDIT: Also Ryzen 3200G has reportedly been de-lidded and seems to confirm previous information that they are Zen+/12nm versions of the 2000G chips (https://www.techpowerup.com/254804/amd-ryzen-3-3200g-pictured-and-de-lidded)

tgrech
23-04-19, 11:04 AM
Did anyone see that Tesla has entered the chip market last night?(Jim Keller and Pete Bannon are behind this possible little masterpiece of a chip) A 230mm^2 piece of silicon manufactured by Samsung that Musk claims to be "The best chip ever built", Tesla famously dropped NVidia a year or so back because they didn't have any hardware in market that could provide Full Self Driving in Tesla's required timeframes. Not only does the new Tesla FSDC seem to significantly outperform the NVidia Xavier hardware originally intended for the job, but NVidia's rebuttal this morning that they *do* have hardware capable really proved Tesla's point, the only thing they have comparable to Tesla's chip(Which has been shipping for around a month) is a device that consumes 4 times the power with only x2 the theoretical max performance and isn't ready for mass market.

Not sure what's more surprising, the fact Musk stuck to the timeline outlined 6 months ago or the fact they've actually come out all guns blazing and put current CPU/GPU manufacturers to shame in terms of perf/watt & safety, really it's the stackk built on top of it that will decide this chips future, but that's looking quite favourable compared to the stack NVidia not long ago infamously "ripped" from an Intel open source project.

Warchild
23-04-19, 11:15 AM
Did anyone see that Tesla has entered the chip market last night? A 230mm^2 piece of silicon manufactured by Samsung that Musk claims to be "The best chip ever built", Tesla famously dropped NVidia a year or so back because they didn't have any hardware in market that could provide Full Self Driving in Tesla's required timeframes. Not only does the new Tesla FSDC seem to significantly outperform the NVidia Xavier hardware originally intended for the job, but NVidia's rebuttal this morning that they *do* have hardware capable really proved Tesla's point, the only thing they have comparable to Tesla's chip(Which has been shipping for around a month) is a device that consumes 4 times the power with only x2 the theoretical max performance and isn't ready for mass market.

Not sure what's more surprising, the fact Musk stuck to the timeline outlined 6 months ago or the fact they've actually come out all guns blazing and put current CPU/GPU manufacturers to shame in terms of perf/watt & safety.

That is why they hired Jim Keller. Tesla already dropped Nvidia from their MCS. But now they don't need them for the self driving chips either.

g0ggles1994
25-04-19, 08:56 AM
Grab a nice dose of salt because an alleged Intel roadmap has been leaked.
No 10nm until at least 2021, even then, it will only be on low power SKUs -<15W TDP- so higher end parts won't see it until 2022 at best.
https://wccftech.com/intel-desktop-mobile-cpu-roadmap-leak-14nm-comet-lake-10nm-ice-lake-tiger-lake/

looz
25-04-19, 09:06 AM
I found this in the salt cabinet already:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/136863/intel-core-i3-8121u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-20-ghz.html

WYP
25-04-19, 09:45 AM
I found this in the salt cabinet already:
https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/136863/intel-core-i3-8121u-processor-4m-cache-up-to-3-20-ghz.html

Haha. The "We are totally shipping 10nm in low volumes" chip. Oh Intel...

This makes 14nm's delay seem like nothing.

looz
25-04-19, 09:49 AM
Haha. The "We are totally shipping 10nm in low volumes" chip. Oh Intel...

This makes 14nm's delay seem like nothing.Design before etching: 8 core 16 thread 5.2GHz CPU with iGPU.


Chip after binning and etching: 2 core 4 thread 3.2GHz CPU without iGPU.

tgrech
25-04-19, 10:46 AM
To be fair, Charlie Demerjan over at Semiaccurate has been saying Intel's 10nm was a broken mess since about 2015 and he seems to have hit the nail on the head consistently over these years with its progress. Going from all of his leaks that wccftech article seems quite realistic. Sounds like they essentially had to go back to the drawing board in 2018 to fix the yield issues and more or less create a new less ambitious node entirely for performance parts.
https://semiaccurate.com/?s=10nm

Also of course, back when Intel announced 14nm+ or whatever they basically said in no uncertain terms that initial generations of 10nm would be much slower than mature 14nm. And the fact Coffee Lake was never meant to exist.

“We hear that internally Intel is quite worried about making the launch of Cannon even though it is still about a year away. This is no ordinary early silicon issue, it is a serious and unexpected problem. Coffee lake being added at the last minute between Kaby and Cannon should shed some light on the depths of Intel’s 10nm woes, things are a mess. More when we get it, but for now, not a merry Christmas for those singing from hymnals D1C and D1D.” -SemiAccurate Dec 22, 2016

WYP
25-04-19, 11:05 AM
To be fair, Charlie Demerjan over at Semiaccurate has been saying Intel's 10nm was a broken mess since about 2015 and he seems to have hit the nail on the head consistently over these years with its progress. Going from all of his leaks that wccftech article seems quite realistic. Sounds like they essentially had to go back to the drawing board in 2018 to fix the yield issues and more or less create a new less ambitious node entirely for performance parts.
https://semiaccurate.com/?s=10nm

Also of course, back when Intel announced 14nm+ or whatever they basically said in no uncertain terms that initial generations of 10nm would be much slower than mature 14nm. And the fact Coffee Lake was never meant to exist.

I'd go as far as saying that kaby Lake wasn't meant to exist. That was when they switched from Tick Tock to PAO (Process, Architecture, Optimisation).

tgrech
25-04-19, 11:09 AM
Yeah to be honest even if this leaked roadmap is accurate with Intel over the last few years that doesn't seem to mean much because to be frank they have had no idea what their roadmap will have to look like after the competition moves.

10nm was originally meant to roll out in 2015 going from their roadmaps before then.

tgrech
27-04-19, 11:10 AM
On the discussion of why loops are problematic in software the other day, if anyone watched Hulkenberg try to hard reset his F1 car at full speed in Shanghai before having to retire, turns out it was caused by a caused by someone forgetting to make sure a loop always reached an exit condition.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-software-fix-code-abiteboul/4376647/

“We have a very simple change in one line of code, and hopefully that will have sorted the problem we had in Shanghai,”

“Basically it’s a default mode that can be triggered. It’s an infinite loop, like sometimes on your laptop, when you see the task manager consuming 98% of the whole CPU. It’s exactly what happened, it’s an open loop and the system was trying to go through that open loop and go through a new process lap after lap, because of the default mode."

(These engines are ~$10 million pieces of hardware, about half the cost of the cars)

Warchild
27-04-19, 11:38 PM
On the discussion of why loops are problematic in software the other day, if anyone watched Hulkenberg try to hard reset his F1 car at full speed in Shanghai before having to retire, turns out it was caused by a caused by someone forgetting to make sure a loop always reached an exit condition.

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/renault-software-fix-code-abiteboul/4376647/



(These engines are ~$10 million pieces of hardware, about half the cost of the cars)

Actually these days or 2019 season, the cars are far more expensive. Even the gearboxes approach $6-7Million now. Tyre sets are now $5000 approx, and considering they go through about 15 sets minimum per weekend. I'm not shocked that even Ferrari considered quitting.

On that note. Bought the new codemaster F1 game. Sweet Jebus it is baYUTEeeful.

tgrech
28-04-19, 09:40 AM
My friend grew up with Alex Albon(same high school, Alex is 1 year older), was going from his estimations after that tank slapper the other day that destroyed his car, but yeah that was without tyres or anything and there's still a lot of secrecy even to them. He gets paid about £300k a year(Pretty much all of that goes back to team & costs) and we were trying to work out how much of a car his wages would get him(We worked out that's roughly the nose cone at most).

Very glad the next F1 game includes Formula 2 cars, great race here in Baku atm, ofc Alex got the triple here in Baku Formula 2 last year.

Avet
01-05-19, 06:24 PM
This is quite interesting.

https://hexus.net/tech/news/cooling/130121-asus-starts-use-liquid-metal-compound-laptop-cpus/

tgrech
01-05-19, 06:26 PM
Using Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut in my laptop did a world of good, meant it could hit its boost clocks constantly, with modern CPUs that could make a pretty big difference for the small cost.

Dicehunter
03-05-19, 01:26 AM
Valve Index sold out within 30 minutes in the US

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-valve-index-vr-kit-sold-out-in-under-30-minutes-in-the-us/?utm_content=bufferfc871&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb

Dicehunter
03-05-19, 02:02 PM
Possible listings of Ryzen 3000 -

https://www.techpowerup.com/255099/possible-listings-of-amd-ryzen-9-3800x-ryzen-7-3700x-ryzen-5-3600x-surface-in-online-stores

tgrech
08-05-19, 07:31 PM
Detailed specs leaks for PS5 seemingly from a meeting Sony held on it:

"8 core Zen 2, clocked at 3.2Ghz.

Custom Navi GPU, 56CU, 1.8Ghz, 12.9TF. RT is hardware based, co engineered by AMD and Sony. (They believe the RT hardware is the basis for the rumour that Navi was built for Sony)

24GB RAM (Type or bandwidth wasn't mentioned)

Custom embedded Solid State solution paired with HDD."

Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/PS5/comments/bhabap/well_here_we_go/

NeverBackDown
08-05-19, 07:56 PM
Saw this earlier. Don't believe the 24GB of ram, but everything else is believable as they are based off current parts or already rumoured specs for Navi.

I say we see 12-18GB of memory, with 2-3GB dedicated to the OS. PS4 pro has 1GB of DDR3 dedicated to the OS, I could see them extending that to the new platform.

tgrech
08-05-19, 08:41 PM
I'm not sure at this point, if it's targeting 4K then most current titles already target 8GB of VRAM and 16GB of system memory on PC, future titles could easily use around 12GB VRAM for 4K given they often now hit 4GB for 1080p, especially given how memory heavy raytracing gets, while the XboneX is already at 12GB while its devkit was 24GB of GDDR5. Could just be a devkit spec too but 16GB of shared memory wouldn't seem very future proof or like it matches up to the specs(IE could keep the hardware well fed into the future) to me, since we're looking at a bare minimum of x5 jump in CPU & GPU power each with those specs. I just don't see how they could have meaningful raytracing and sub-20GB total system RAM at the same time, and RAM is a lot cheaper than it was around X1/PS4 launch(I mean you get cheap chinese smartphones with 8GB+ of RAM nowadays, while the PS3->PS4 had a x32 jump in RAM size).

NeverBackDown
08-05-19, 11:05 PM
If you want to believe it'll be a $700+ console sure. I however think it'll be a $450 at most console. It won't be more than 20GB at that price.

tgrech
08-05-19, 11:24 PM
Why would a few GBs of GDDR6 increase the price by hundreds? It was about 10USD per 1GB chip for low quantity orders at the start of the year and that's usually about 30% more than the wholesale price, but consoles usually get particularly good deals on hardware because they're guaranteed long term sources of baseline income for the manufacturers, it'd probably increase the BOM cost by at most $50 to use 24GB rather than 16GB GDDR6 if it wasn't absolute top speed stuff, and that's not accounting for the fact they could just set 4GB as cheaper non-unified DDR4 for system/CPU only tasks building on the PS4pro if the extra memory controller logic was worth the cost reduction.

Goat of Duty(Goat deathmatch game) is having a closed beta this weekend https://www.pcgamer.com/goat-of-duty-is-call-of-duty-but-with-goats/

NeverBackDown
09-05-19, 03:31 AM
Sure it cost $10USD per chip for the slowest and cheapest solution
$10x24GB. $240 on memory alone. Not going to happen.

All that math is based off the 8Gb stacks. It's more for the full 16Gb stacks from Samsung. It will have to be 16Gb stacks for space concerns for a console. It would probably be around $200 for memory accounting for volume sales and whatever else they do.

One 16Gb is 2GB of memory if its $20 per stack and you want 24GB. Well $20x12 is $240. Take that discount and whatever else and it's probably around $180-200 depending on the deal struck. That's quite an investment. Add in all the custom R&D for the CPU, GPU, OS development, integrating a unified memory structure, Wifi/Ethernet, blu-ray player, casing, fans, custom cooling solution, motherboard designs, and whatever else they add it really doesn't give much room for a sub $500 price point. Nearly half the cost is for memory, which the console won't even be able to use to it's full extent with the power it has. It's more than needed. Devs would end up using it mostly as a cache as it would take forever before they can properly utilize such a vast amount of ram where it's actually needed. Even modern games using the latest and greatest tech won't consume more than 10GB. On a platform where you can efficiently use memory, 12-18GB is a vast amount.

tgrech
09-05-19, 09:10 AM
No one actually pays that though beyond 2000 chips(Ultra low volume). Those prices are about 30% over no deal wholesale price. They'll pay far closer to 5USD per GB and decreasing sharply over time like with their GDDR5 supply. Basically the BOM cost of the memory is probably about $125, which is in the same ballpark as the last consoles. Remember the PS4 sold only slightly in the black. ~$380 manufacturing cost and $399 rrp, around a quarter of which was spent on memory. If it's mixed, 18GB GDDR6 + 6GB DDR4 or similar, that could bring costs down even further.

Many modern games can use more than 10gb on the GPU alone at 4K, and that's without raytracing. If this was a 1080p console then sure I'd agree with you, but modern 4K games are already being strained under 8GB VRAM limits and RT can double memory use.

Current gen games have to absolutely abuse the HDD because of all the streaming to main memory that has to occur with modern world sizes and in some case it becomes a hard limiter on in game movement speed or similar.

AlienALX
09-05-19, 01:29 PM
I have a feeling this console is going to be $600+.

Given the hardware it packs if the rumours are true? I think that could be somewhat of a bargain.

tgrech
09-05-19, 02:20 PM
I think they could do $500, for the PS4 the estimated BOM cost on launch was about $188 for DRAM + APU, $37 for the HDD and $123 for everything else (PSU, motherboard, cooling, optical drive, ect), for about $340 without controller & accessories, if they spent 50% more on the APU + DRAM + HDD, so about $340 for those parts, then even if everything else was still $123(Which they won't be given all the hardware revisions the PS4 has had across botth shells to reduce costs) they'd still have room left over for accessories and make a similar margin on the early hardware and a guaranteed growing margin over time with room for price cuts, because the supply deals with AMD are usually front-loaded (AMD makes more profit on the console than Sony early in the sales cycle but this margin tapers off).

Damien c
09-05-19, 04:47 PM
I think the next consoles will be somewhere between the £500 to £650 range, any higher than that, I think will push a lot more people to the PC as for not much more you can get a PC that will match the performance of the consoles but offer so much more potential.

demonking
09-05-19, 05:05 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-48214293

U.S might be banning loot boxes and microtransactions. I hope they do and the rest of the world follows suit to destroy this blight

Dicehunter
09-05-19, 05:18 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-48214293

U.S might be banning loot boxes and microtransactions. I hope they do and the rest of the world follows suit to destroy this blight


The publishers who push all this toxic micro transaction and loot box poison will find another way to push their BS, They'll end up calling them "small downloadable content" or some such non sense.

Warchild
09-05-19, 05:29 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/technology-48214293

U.S might be banning loot boxes and microtransactions. I hope they do and the rest of the world follows suit to destroy this blight

Loot boxes maybe, but I dont they will win with microtransactions. Its not gambling after all.

Big publishers will probably lobby together and say that removing MT will result in mass scale layoffs.

tgrech
13-05-19, 12:49 PM
Anandtech have done a big piece on whether the famed 2600K still holds up, some results:
2600K OC vs 9700K

4K Gaming: 2% improvement
1440p gaming : 9% improvement
1080p gaming: 26% improvement (Worth noting this is generally already above 150fps)
Most general tasks average a ~50% improvement
Most productivity tasks are around 100% improvement.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14043/upgrading-from-an-intel-core-i7-2600k-testing-sandy-bridge-in-2019/21

WYP
13-05-19, 12:56 PM
Anandtech have done a big piece on whether the famed 2600K still holds up, some results:
2600K OC vs 9700K

4K Gaming: 2% improvement
1440p gaming : 9% improvement
1080p gaming: 26% improvement (Worth noting this is generally already above 150fps)
Most general tasks average a ~50% improvement
Most productivity tasks are around 100% improvement.

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14043/upgrading-from-an-intel-core-i7-2600k-testing-sandy-bridge-in-2019/21

It is worth noting that this is with a GTX 1080, so there is likely a larger gap when higher-end GPUs are used like the RTX 2080 Ti, Radeon VII and GTX 1080 Ti.

tgrech
13-05-19, 12:59 PM
Yeah I think the increased call rate & memory transfers with DXR/RTX enabled would also increase CPU load a fair bit, but then I'm not sure someone would still be holding onto their nearing 10 year old £150 CPU while buying a £700+ GPU(Who knows tho), think this is more for those looking at ~£100-£200 upgrade cycles

WYP
13-05-19, 01:28 PM
Yeah I think the increased call rate & memory transfers with DXR/RTX enabled would also increase CPU load a fair bit, but then I'm not sure someone would still be holding onto their nearing 10 year old £150 CPU while buying a £700+ GPU(Who knows tho), think this is more for those looking at ~£100-£200 upgrade cycles

You are right there, just clarifying things as your original post does not say what GPU was used.

Dicehunter
16-05-19, 03:44 PM
The really fun snowboarding, Skiing etc... game is free for a few days on Uplay, Add it and keep it forever, Usually £30.



https://store.ubi.com/us/steep-tm-/57597f6a0c8ee468458b4567.html?ncid=2265-1367---1-odvidch-28-36-steepgiveaway_web_productpage--17-2-7-0519-4-5--49-ID_76081-1-2---&maltcode=ubisoftstore_convst_odvidch_youtube_vg_ca t_STORE__pulpt_OTH_&addinfo=Youtube%C2%A0North+America+Channel+Steep+P roduct+page

WYP
16-05-19, 03:56 PM
The really fun snowboarding, Skiing etc... game is free for a few days on Uplay, Add it and keep it forever, Usually £30.



https://store.ubi.com/us/steep-tm-/57597f6a0c8ee468458b4567.html?ncid=2265-1367---1-odvidch-28-36-steepgiveaway_web_productpage--17-2-7-0519-4-5--49-ID_76081-1-2---&maltcode=ubisoftstore_convst_odvidch_youtube_vg_ca t_STORE__pulpt_OTH_&addinfo=Youtube%C2%A0North+America+Channel+Steep+P roduct+page

Nice find.

NeverBackDown
16-05-19, 04:23 PM
Thanks Dice:)

AlienALX
16-05-19, 05:20 PM
Nabbed that cheers dude.

tgrech
17-05-19, 11:48 AM
https://news.microsoft.com/2019/05/16/sony-and-microsoft-to-explore-strategic-partnership/

Sony and Microsoft announced on Thursday that the two companies will partner on new innovations to enhance customer experiences in their direct-to-consumer entertainment platforms and AI solutions.

From the sounds of it, essentially Sony will be leveraging Microsoft's Azure (Probably the best cloud platform for gaming with its distribution) for some of their/PlayStation services, while MS wants to get their AI technology in a range of Sony hardware, and the former probably helps a lot with integrating the latter.

“PlayStation® itself came about through the integration of creativity and technology. Our mission is to seamlessly evolve this platform as one that continues to deliver the best and most immersive entertainment experiences, together with a cloud environment that ensures the best possible experience, anytime, anywhere. For many years, Microsoft has been a key business partner for us, though of course the two companies have also been competing in some areas. I believe that our joint development of future cloud solutions will contribute greatly to the advancement of interactive content. Additionally, I hope that in the areas of semiconductors and AI, leveraging each company’s cutting-edge technology in a mutually complementary way will lead to the creation of new value for society.”

NeverBackDown
17-05-19, 08:40 PM
A very nice gesture by Creative Assembly
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/bpgkuo/my_brothers_last_dying_wish_to_play_3_kingdoms/

Granting a young dying mans last wish, to play their game. I hope he enjoys it and eases his passing.

Warchild
18-05-19, 05:05 PM
A very nice gesture by Creative Assembly
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/bpgkuo/my_brothers_last_dying_wish_to_play_3_kingdoms/

Granting a young dying mans last wish, to play their game. I hope he enjoys it and eases his passing.

Just... wow. Such a small gift to provide, but the impact - Outstanding.

AlienALX
18-05-19, 05:35 PM
Yeah that's a lovely gesture. Kinda like that kid who died of cancer and 2K made him a claptrap in BL2 as a tribute. Touching :)

NeverBackDown
18-05-19, 07:56 PM
Yes, it is nice to see companies do this. You have such a dedicated fan who loves the things you create, gives them joy. And their last want is to play your next creation, it's a beautiful thing the impact games have on one's soul. It's a simple thing to do to help pay back their loyalty and make their last moments easier.

This was one of the reasons I have always wanted to be a Game Developer, to give people something to enjoy and love. Sadly this kinda thing doesn't happen often and the toxicity of gamers has made me change my mind and pursue other software engineering professions. Maybe one day I'll join a project...

AlienALX
19-05-19, 09:17 PM
This was one of the reasons I have always wanted to be a Game Developer, to give people something to enjoy and love. Sadly this kinda thing doesn't happen often and the toxicity of gamers has made me change my mind and pursue other software engineering professions. Maybe one day I'll join a project...

That is how it always starts out (Valve, Bethesda come to mind) then the dollar bills start blinding people and before you know it they are just as greedy as the rest of the world.

A real shame.

NeverBackDown
20-05-19, 03:12 AM
That is how it always starts out (Valve, Bethesda come to mind) then the dollar bills start blinding people and before you know it they are just as greedy as the rest of the world.

A real shame.

Disagree entirely. Game developers are not the same as Corporate business men or woman.

Once they become big enough studios hire business management because it's not their expertise. It's all downhill from there.

Warchild
20-05-19, 09:36 AM
That is how it always starts out (Valve, Bethesda come to mind) then the dollar bills start blinding people and before you know it they are just as greedy as the rest of the world.

A real shame.

Nah not all are like that. Look at Hellblade Senuas sacrifice developers. Cheap game. Made with love.
And after raking in cash, they then setup a charity (or donated to one already existing) for those suffering with schizophrenia giving quite a fair amount of profits away.

Now also consider Valve greed and the cut that they always take. Its a hefty loss for the developers, yet they continue anyway.

g0ggles1994
21-05-19, 12:37 PM
AMD returns to the Fortune 500 list. Hopefully to stay.

https://www.techpowerup.com/255755/after-a-4-year-leave-amd-rejoins-the-fortune-500-list

tgrech
22-05-19, 04:30 PM
GOG just announced the Galaxy 2.0 beta, and they aim to unify games & some social/messaging aspects across multiple store fronts/launchers and apparently some consoles within the same application.

https://www.gogalaxy.com/en/

GOG GALAXY 2.0 is an application, thanks to which you’ll be able to combine multiple libraries into one and connect with your friends across all gaming platforms, consoles included. If your games and gaming buddies are scattered between different launchers and platforms, this is a solution for you! Keeping track of all achievements earned by you and your friends, hours played, and games owned across platforms has never been this easy. And the application is entirely free, all you need is a GOG account to use it.

g0ggles1994
22-05-19, 05:38 PM
MSI MEG X570 ACE shown in MSI Insider Video.

https://imgur.com/a/ld8cvZ7
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1mnxevneRXQKX

tgrech
23-05-19, 04:11 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48377235

Prior to the launch of 5G here in one weeks time, Chinese diplomats imply UK could lose significant Chinese investment(Tens of £billion's over recent years), which will be almost essential for a fair few industries and rural areas after losing EU funding, if Huawei technology is banned across the whole 5G network (Currently their technology is being used in the non-core areas like antennas for EEs network about to go live).

Wraith
25-05-19, 06:05 PM
I so need this in my life!

Just for pure nostalgia be great if the controller is PC compatible.

https://i.imgur.com/rvZhEow.jpg

https://www.overclockzone.com/atari-retro-vcs-controller?fbclid=IwAR0d_x3WLx-8HuY6ApV4W-vddKeaXSVL0PDsRhXjGH6zOOoS2rsLEKc6SrU

NeverBackDown
25-05-19, 09:23 PM
Came across this. Damn Intel gets hit hard
techpost article (https://www-techspot-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.techspot.com/amp/article/1850-how-screwed-is-intel-no-hyper-threading/?amp_js_v=a2&amp_gsa=1#referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.techspot.com%2Farticle% 2F1850-how-screwed-is-intel-no-hyper-threading%2F)

AlienALX
25-05-19, 10:06 PM
Nah not all are like that. Look at Hellblade Senuas sacrifice developers. Cheap game. Made with love.
And after raking in cash, they then setup a charity (or donated to one already existing) for those suffering with schizophrenia giving quite a fair amount of profits away.

Now also consider Valve greed and the cut that they always take. Its a hefty loss for the developers, yet they continue anyway.

With Bethesda it's been exactly like that. For example if you watch the documentary about Fallout 3 (included with the special editions so the lunchbox etc) Todd Howard explains how during the dev there were like X amount of people in this room coding. There was a power cut, they all went to the local super market to buy stuff but the power was cut and they were in the dark. That is where the idea for Super Duper Mart came from. And it continues, as he gleefully explains loads of stuff about the game (including his now "ownership" of the franchise).

There were loads of things unfinished in Fallout 3. Lots of buildings had things that should have been quests but they simply ran out of time. However, there were lots of secret quests, weapons and armor etc if you put the time in to explore. I could spend two evenings literally in one building chasing a quest.

Now they have the money, let's fast forward to FO4. No documentary, no "look how proud we are" and so on. And that entire philosphy echoes right through the game. It has no soul. Why doesn't it have a soul? well a few reasons really but the main one, I reckon, is this. When they made Fallout 3 they were keen and they were hungry to be successful. So they tried, really damn hard. I mean, at the time FO3 was about as close to absolute perfection as it gets. It didn't quite get there, which is what all of the fans hoped FO4 would be. But it wasn't, because not only were they now fully owned by Zenimax but the whole landscape had changed. They knew, no matter how stinky, that the game would sell. And that arrogance has continued and now? I won't buy any of their games. So I hear RAGE 2 has good combat? so what. I am not buying games from them based on what they used to be.

And, if I were to echo what I said above verbatim although this time add Half Life instead of Fallout 3? you have the same thing with Valve. Half Life was about as close to perfection as it gets. HL2? I would say it's 99.99999999% there. Now? pah they don't need to bother doing that any more as they are making money hand over fist.

Dicehunter
27-05-19, 06:00 AM
So the rumoured Zen 2 - 16 core 32 thread CPU is not yet ready @ 2:49, Apparently it does exist but it's being held back for now.


DDj-wwE5-64

NeverBackDown
29-05-19, 03:47 PM
https://www.ign.com/articles/2019/05/29/square-enixs-marvel-game-is-called-marvels-avengers-will-be-at-e3

Damn what a trailer. Square Enix and Crystal Dynamics are making an Avengers game! #AvengersReAssemble

Dicehunter
30-05-19, 05:13 AM
So AMD released the Radeon Pro driver with "support" for the Radeon 7 on May 21st, Odd that it never got mentioned anywhere.

The driver is certified for Autodesk, CAD, Adobe Premiere Pro, Maya etc...

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-pro-win-19-q1-2

I installed it and it looks exactly like the standard Adrenaline driver, Aside from certification for a few different software packages I can't see anything different, No extra options etc...

g0ggles1994
30-05-19, 12:17 PM
So the rumoured Zen 2 - 16 core 32 thread CPU is not yet ready @ 2:49, Apparently it does exist but it's being held back for now.


DDj-wwE5-64
My guess is that they're stockpiling highly binned chips for it, then release it alongside Threadripper 3

AlienALX
30-05-19, 12:54 PM
Not ready my rusty sheriff's badge.

They want two paydays lol.

tgrech
31-05-19, 12:21 PM
Been a fair few updates coming out of Roborace recently, an upcoming racing series with all spec hardware but teams develop their own self-driving software which carry the cars through part of the race(For first couple seasons leading to full AI only races later on). I guess you could call it a programming race in a way. (Coming to multiple UK venues for Season Alpha)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCDThZNmxhmEOfp0sm7HtFvw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JE4fw0FdAvQ

NeverBackDown
31-05-19, 06:08 PM
https://www.gamesradar.com/microsoft-will-have-14-first-party-xbox-games-to-show-at-e3-this-year/

Xbox plans on 14 exclusives to be revealed at E3. that's like what? 14x the amount they currently have? :D

Considering earlier this year they confirmed that every future xbox exclusive title will also come to PC this is going to be an amazing thing. I hope they demo next gen console too. It'll give us an idea of how PS5 will look like, no point in getting an xbox when i have a PC.

Warchild
31-05-19, 08:15 PM
https://www.gamesradar.com/microsoft-will-have-14-first-party-xbox-games-to-show-at-e3-this-year/

Xbox plans on 14 exclusives to be revealed at E3. that's like what? 14x the amount they currently have? :D

Considering earlier this year they confirmed that every future xbox exclusive title will also come to PC this is going to be an amazing thing. I hope they demo next gen console too. It'll give us an idea of how PS5 will look like, no point in getting an xbox when i have a PC.

Im also intrigued by the change to xbox game pass which will apply to PC too.
Will increase the range of their current xbox games which are obviously downloadable on pc already, but there are not many.

NeverBackDown
31-05-19, 10:14 PM
Im also intrigued by the change to xbox game pass which will apply to PC too.
Will increase the range of their current xbox games which are obviously downloadable on pc already, but there are not many.

All I care about is Halo. Which is probably most PC gamers. Other than that they have nothing that excites me. Hopefully out of the 14 announcements we get some else to be excited about for PC.

Excalabur50
01-06-19, 04:23 AM
To everyone still using Windows XP, 2003,Vista, you need to run an update for your system as there is a new attack called BlueKeep which is like the WannaCry attack and it has a rating of 9.8 out of 10 so Microsoft have issued patches for it. If you are running Windows 8 or 10 you do not need to worry as these systems are not vulnerable to it. So don't wait update now!

Dicehunter
05-06-19, 05:34 PM
So Asus are coming out with the ROG Lamp.... I don't need it.... :D


https://i.imgur.com/yhT6LC5.jpg

g0ggles1994
05-06-19, 07:18 PM
So Asus are coming out with the ROG Lamp.... I don't need it.... :D


https://i.imgur.com/yhT6LC5.jpg
That's a lamp? Look's like a car's air filter...

Bartacus
05-06-19, 07:26 PM
That's a lamp? Look's like a car's air filter...
Don't give Asus ideas, they'll RGB you're entire engine bay!

Warchild
06-06-19, 07:53 AM
So Asus are coming out with the ROG Lamp.... I don't need it.... :D


https://i.imgur.com/yhT6LC5.jpg

but you will buy it anyway because you WANT it :P

tgrech
06-06-19, 09:53 AM
Charlie has done a deep dive into the actual Sunny Cove road map, Ice Lake architecture, Intel 10nm, USB4 and so on. Some quick points include a 1Ghz max clock speed reduction(Architectural limit from going so wide), covers how some of the IPC gains materialise, feature changes and and so on.

https://www.semiaccurate.com/2019/06/05/a-look-at-intels-ice-lake-and-sunny-cove/

He also believes that USB4 is at risk of being DOA since its so tightly tied in with the fairly flawed (particularly for mobile & general use where its power consumption issues could delay its use for many many years) Thunderbolt spec, if its a compulsory part of the spec then yeah, imo no way USB4 will go anywhere for a LONG (half decade) time.

Given how he's been ridiculously accurate on this topic and saying the same stuff around Ice Lake & 10nm for about 5 years and all has come true I'd say this is about as reliable as a source gets.

NeverBackDown
06-06-19, 07:22 PM
https://store.steampowered.com/bundle/8133/Borderlands_The_Handsome_Collection/

I'm sure plenty of you already have it, but The Handsome Collection is 97% off and instead of $230 is only $6

AngryGoldfish
09-06-19, 04:25 PM
A proposed gaming/mainstream CPU from AMD called the Ryzen 9 3950X with 16 cores at a 105W TDP has been leaked. Boost clock is slightly higher than the announced 12 core, but the base is lower.

The TDP disparity is strange to me. AdoredTV suggested that AMD are segmenting their silicon for certain SKUs, which means that the 3900X has much better silicon than the 3800X and the 3700X has better silicon than the 3600X. That goes in part to explain the confusing TDP's, but I still am left uncertain as to why things vary so wildly.

https://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-9-3950x-4-7-ghz-cpu-leaked-worlds-first-16-core-gaming-chip/

Thanos
10-06-19, 02:47 PM
There was some info a week or two ago for an AMD 16 core engineering sample with 64MB of L3 cache and 8MB of L2 cache by Bryan of Tech YES City.

https://youtu.be/MkO4R10WNUM

In that video HWiNFO reported about 250W package power at 4.1GHz while running CBR15 MT.



http://i68.tinypic.com/68g70y.jpg


Frequency was increased to 4.25GHz with about a 150mV increase in core voltage according to CPU-Z which may possibly indicate poor scaling at these clocks for this particular chip. Note also the large difference in reported VID.


http://i65.tinypic.com/259b9fd.jpg

Dicehunter
10-06-19, 03:51 PM
but you will buy it anyway because you WANT it :P


If it's not expensive then yes as I love little gadgets like that, The ROG spotlight for example, Only cost me £10 but adds a big ROG eye onto the wall ^_^

Dicehunter
12-06-19, 05:46 AM
So the X570 mobos are going to be pretty expensive, The ROG Crosshair Formula is going to cost as much as the 16 core 3950X, £630, I hope these prices are wrong as that is insane especially considering even the Intel focused board Asus ROG Maximus XI Formula which also has a waterblock cost £400, I know they have PCI-E 4.0 but £630 ?!?!?!?

https://www.techpowerup.com/256443/alleged-asus-amd-x570-motherboard-price-list-paints-a-horror-story

A reliable source based in Taiwan shared with us the price-list of upcoming AMD Ryzen 3000 X570 chipset motherboards by leading manufacturer ASUS. These MSRP prices in U.S. Dollars paint a grim picture of these boards being significantly pricier than previous-generation motherboards based on the AMD X470 chipset. We already got hints of AMD X570 motherboards being pricey when MSI CEO Charles Chiang, who is known for not mincing his words in public, made it clear that the industry is no longer seeing AMD as a value-alternative second-fiddle brand to Intel, and that AMD will use its performance leadership to command premium pricing for these motherboards, even though across generations, pricing of AMD processors are going to remain flat. The Ryzen 7 3700X, for example, is launching at exactly the same $329 launch price as the Ryzen 7 2700X.

Even MSI CEO Chiang's statement couldn't prepare us for the prices we're seeing for the ASUS motherboard lineup. The cheapest AMD X570 motherboard from ASUS is the Prime X570-P, which is priced at USD $159.99. Its slightly bolstered twin, the TUF Gaming X570-Plus will go for $169.99. A variant of this exact board with integrated Wi-Fi 6 will be priced at $184.99. This is where things get crazy. The Prime X570-Pro, which is the spiritual-successor of the $150 Prime X470-Pro, will command a whopping $249.99 price-tag, or a $100 (66 percent) increase! The cheapest ROG (Republic of Gamers) product, the ROG Strix X570-F Gaming, will ship with an HEDT-like $299.99 price. This is where the supposed "high-end" segment begins.



The ROG Strix X570-E Gaming is a slightly spruced-up Strix-F, with a handful more connectivity options, and an extra M.2 slot. This board will be priced at $329.99. And we're still with the "tier-two" ROG Strix family. The ROG Crosshair VIII Hero is what you'd want for the premium ROG experience, and a premium CPU VRM solution. This board is priced at $359.99, over $100 more than the Crosshair VII Hero. Need Wi-Fi? Pull out another Jackson for the $379.99 ROG Crosshair VIII Hero Wi-Fi, which comes with 802.11ax WLAN.

Record-seeking OC wizards who want to push the Ryzen 9-series processors, such as the $749 Ryzen 9 3950X to their limits, will have to spend almost the same amount of money on the motherboard, with the ROG Crosshair VIII Formula, which at $699.99, is pricier than even certain ROG Rampage Extreme products from Intel's HEDT platform. In all, AMD, like any for-profit company on the planet, wants to monetize its performance-leadership over Intel to the fullest.

The reasons for these price increases could be many, besides AMD simply wanting to turn its performance leadership into cash. For one, the AMD X570 chipset is a big and hot (~15W TDP) piece of silicon AMD designed in-house, with a large PCI-Express gen 4.0 switching fabric, and more downstream connectivity than the ASMedia-sourced X470 "Promontory." This chipset needs a much more capable cooling solution than what the X470 needed, including in many cases, an active fan-heatsink. AMD has also dialed up the electrical and physical requirements, with a stronger CPU VRM specification, possibly more than four PCB layers for improved memory wiring, and external PCI-Express gen 4.0 re-driver and lane segmentation components that could be expensive on account of being new.

To most PC buyers, though, there are alternatives within AMD. As we mentioned earlier, processor pricing over generations hasn't increased. The 3700X is priced on par with the launch price of the 2700X it succeeds, and the Ryzen 5 3600 is being launched at the same $199 as the Ryzen 5 2600. You can very much do pair these processors with motherboards based on the older AMD X470 and B450 chipset motherboards, which are stocked up plenty in the market, are priced reasonably, and a majority of models support the USB BIOS Flashback feature, letting you update their UEFI firmware to the latest versions that add 3rd generation Ryzen support, without needing to borrow an older Ryzen chip from a friend. You lose out on PCI-Express gen 4.0 and additional M.2 slots, but that's a compromise you'll have to make. Consider the low-power 400-series chipsets not needing fan-heatsinks to be a sweetener.

NeverBackDown
12-06-19, 07:44 AM
Premium features require premium prices. It's not surprising.

Just keep your x370/470 boards

g0ggles1994
12-06-19, 09:29 AM
If that is true, I would say X570 won't sell that well compared to X470, especially in the top end.
However, I would refute this:
The reasons for these price increases could be many, besides AMD simply wanting to turn its performance leadership into cash
That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid. Unless building the chipset is REALLY that expensive. All it'll do is push enthusiasts towards Intel. I've grabbed my tinfoil hat for this but I think it's the motherboard manufacturers and 'other' third parties are doing it deliberately for this very reason

Warchild
12-06-19, 10:58 AM
If that is true, I would say X570 won't sell that well compared to X470, especially in the top end.
However, I would refute this:

That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid. Unless building the chipset is REALLY that expensive. All it'll do is push enthusiasts towards Intel. I've grabbed my tinfoil hat for this but I think it's the motherboard manufacturers and 'other' third parties are doing it deliberately for this very reason

AMD could step in and add a proviso to cap the MRRP.

tgrech
12-06-19, 11:36 AM
It's worth remembering that profit cuts are usually done in percentage terms, so items that cost more to make have larger profit margins, this is done in a business sense to protect from and reward for the increased risks of creating and storing and attempting to sell more expensive products. Basically, if the cost of components for the board was around the standard 33% of the final sale price, say 50USD for a 150USD board, and the cost of those components went from 50USD to 100USD, realistically a company would need to charge 300USD final sale price instead of 150USD to maintain the same margins, because all the other elements in the chain take their cut in percentage of final sale/item value too (Suppliers, distributors, retailers, ect).

So essentially, any change in BOM cost usually gets amplified several fold in final sale price, so even if the absolute cost difference is quite small, if all the parts before were exceptionally cheap then the percentage rise is high, leading to a large increase in MSRP pushed from the marketing & finance end of the business to avoid margins shrinking. And it seems there's little doubt motherboards currently have lucrative margins they'd want to maintain, given how many companies can churn so many out, the upfront cost must have been exceptionally low already.

looz
12-06-19, 07:24 PM
That's ridiculous, no chance AMD are that stupid.Huh, AMD is still a corporation like any else. If they've got the upper hand in performance they'll milk it. Them not having an upper hand to milk for a while made people forget?

Warchild
13-06-19, 01:13 AM
Division2 is getting a movie adaptation and coming to netflix

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-division-2-is-getting-a-movie-with-netflix/

Excalabur50
16-06-19, 06:09 AM
OC3D get a mention on Gamers Nexus re the LG panels

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd4xXyjT6mE

tgrech
17-06-19, 01:43 PM
Not sure if anyone caught this trailer, only just seen it myself, but I think it's a really powerful demonstration of what AI can do for game design, in this case taking the incomplete and by gaming standards not particularly detailed data of satellite & photographic imagery and doing the base work for converting it into detailed and convincing 3D worlds, something that is not particularly complex but incredibly tedious for a human to do when you're on the scales of cities. Microsoft has been demo'ing Azure AI tech like this for quite a few years but I've never seen it used in a game so far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReDDgFfWlS4

tgrech
18-06-19, 11:03 PM
PCIe 6.0 announced, spec aim for completion in 2021 with ~2022 market availability. Bandwidth per lane doubled again to 256GB/s for an x16 device.

https://i.gyazo.com/eda61408ae69c1a8ff93112916490473.png

NeverBackDown
19-06-19, 03:32 AM
Here's the actual link for PCI 6.0
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20190618005945/en/PCI-SIG%C2%AE-Announces-Upcoming-PCI-Express%C2%AE-6.0-Specification

Got it directly through their website.

tgrech
20-06-19, 02:05 PM
A seemingly complete list of the Epyc 7002 CPUs have leaked with core counts, model numbers & TDPs, though not clock speeds, via their EEC listing. (https://portal.eaeunion.org/sites/odata/_layouts/15/Portal.EEC.Registry.UI/DisplayForm.aspx?ItemId=62673&ListId=d84d16d7-2cc9-4cff-a13b-530f96889dbc)

English translation & table: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-epyc-rome-7nm-cpu-specs-leaked,39681.html (Though there's a single typo in their table, 7320P should be 7302P)

NeverBackDown
26-06-19, 06:53 AM
Not really news but this was a great read!

https://semiengineering.com/5nm-vs-3nm/

Warchild
26-06-19, 07:06 AM
Not really news but this was a great read!

https://semiengineering.com/5nm-vs-3nm/

Thanks for that. Was a a great article. I have bookmarked it for my colleagues and our lunch discussions :)

NeverBackDown
26-06-19, 07:54 PM
AMD security flaw exposed by a Google researcher in EPYC. AMD has fixed it and notified it's customers of the fix and solutions within Google's 90 day period before releasing information to the public.

And no performance loss ;)

https://www.anandtech.com/show/14587/vulnerability-in-amds-secure-encrypted-virtualization-for-epyc-update-now-to-build-22

Dicehunter
27-06-19, 09:51 AM
Ryzen 3950x "leak"


https://custompc.raspberrypi.org/features/rumour-control-16-core-ryzen-benchmarks-leaked

WYP
27-06-19, 10:04 AM
Ryzen 3950x "leak"


https://custompc.raspberrypi.org/features/rumour-control-16-core-ryzen-benchmarks-leaked

We have already reported on this. Thanks for the link though.

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/5_2ghz_ryzen_9_3950x_benchmarks_blitzes_the_compet ition/1

Excalabur50
28-06-19, 11:16 AM
This was on redit supposed new Navi GPU's from Sapphire
https://i.redd.it/3ztb7zp45q631.png

Avet
28-06-19, 11:38 AM
This was on redit supposed new Navi GPU's from Sapphire
https://i.redd.it/3ztb7zp45q631.png

Why not? We have all be wondering what would happen if AMD slapped more than 40 compute units on a GPU.

tgrech
30-06-19, 11:17 AM
A range of Passmark(https://www.cpubenchmark.net/) results have the 3600 beating the 9900K in both single & multithreaded benchmarks. Results seem legitimate and there are multiple tests done but also probably somewhat unrepresentative of real world performance and possibly with miss-reported clock speeds. If there are no errors here(Which I doubt) then this would make the 3600 the fastest single threaded CPU available, for this benchmark at least.

From https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html
https://i.gyazo.com/0326adf94bd01fd68c999ab712bb482a.png

The fastest of the result's test bench (https://www.passmark.com/baselines/V9/display.php?id=123308007344) reportedly only varies from the rest with its kit of low latency dual-channel 3200Mhz kit of memory which seems to offer a ~7% gain over the slower single channel setup but I think the "measure clock speed" must be off for this set of tests.
From https://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu.php?cpu=AMD+Ryzen+5+3600&id=3481
https://i.gyazo.com/65d578c5088439eef9bc7e1ec6a3aa72.png

tgrech
02-07-19, 02:46 PM
If anyones wondering why Discord and many other services went down, Cloudflare had major widespread outages.

WYP
02-07-19, 03:11 PM
If anyones wondering why Discord and many other services went down, Cloudflare had major widespread outages.

OC3D was also down for a bit... very annoying.

Dicehunter
07-07-19, 02:20 PM
New AMD driver, Shame the image sharpening option is exclusive the the 5700 series, Would've hoped AMD could've have made it available for Radeon VII and maybe Vega 56/64.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-2nd-generation-vega/amd-radeon-2nd-generation-vega/amd-radeon-vii




AMD Radeon™ RX 5700 Series Graphics
AMD Radeon Image Sharpening(1)

New feature available in Radeon Settings that can be enabled for DirectX®9, DirectX®11 and Vulkan® games on AMD Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics. Provides contrast-adaptive sharpening combined with optional GPU upscaling that helps draw out detail and provide crisp-looking visuals.


AMD Radeon Anti-Lag(2)

New feature available in Radeon Settings that can be enabled for DirectX®9 and DirectX®11 games that improves input-to-display response time with up to 31% reduction in lag.RS-295


AMD Link(3)

Now supports auto-discovery mode and one-tap connection, allowing you to easily connect your Radeon PC and AMD Link App.
Now supports connections to Apple TV and Android TV with a new simplified TV interface.


AMD Radeon Chill(4)

Now supports display-aware tuning which sets frame-rate caps to match your monitors refresh rate providing up to 2.5x more power savings than before.RS-294 Display-aware tuning works with fixed-refresh monitors or with variable-refresh Radeon FreeSync™-capable displays.


AMD Radeon WattMan(5)

New power gauge readout available in Performance Metrics Overlay and Radeon WattMan.
Auto Tuning features now provide a summary readout of tuning changes.


Settings Snapshot(6)

New feature available in Radeon Settings that allows you to create, save and load your custom settings and configurations for Radeon Settings.


Automatic Low Latency Mode(7)

Allows supported graphics products to communicate with your connected TV and enter low-latency (gaming) mode automatically.



Fixed Issues


Graphics driver may not uninstall correctly when using the express uninstall option on some Ryzen APUs.
Performance Metrics Overlay may intermittently display incorrect colors when being displayed in game.
Radeon Overlay may fail to appear or invoke when playing DOOM™.
Radeon Overlay may fail to appear or invoke when a game is running fullscreen on Windows®7 system configurations.
Some users may be experiencing AMD DLL file signing issues with Easy Anti-Cheat™. A clean install of Radeon Software Adrenalin 2019 Edition 19.7.1 may be required to fix this issue.

Known Issues


With Radeon Image Sharpening enabled, Radeon Overlay may flicker in DirectX®9 or Vulkan® applications or games.
Radeon ReLive streaming and uploading of videos and other content to Facebook™ is currently unavailable.
Audio for clips captured by Radeon ReLive may be corrupted or garbled when desktop recording is enabled.
Textures in Star Wars® Battlefront II may appear pixelated or blurry when using DirectX®11 API.
ASUS TUF Gaming FX505 may experience discrete GPU connection issues with devices disappearing from device manager when the system is idle.
Minor stuttering may occur when playing Fortnite™ during the first few minutes of gameplay on AMD Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics.
Valve Index headset may experience flicker when launching SteamVR on AMD Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics.
Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics may experience a black screen during uninstall on Windows®7 system configurations. A work around is to perform uninstall in safe mode.
Recording clips with Radeon ReLive may result in blank clips on Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics with Windows®7 system configurations.
League of Legends™ may fail to launch on Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics with Windows®7 system configurations.
Radeon Settings may not appear in the right click desktop context menu on Windows®7 system configurations.

AMD Link Known Issues


Radeon WattMan functionality is currently not available in AMD Link for Radeon VII and Radeon RX 5700 Series Graphics products.
The manual connection method for AMD Link may Intermittently fail to connect on Android TV.
AMD Link TV may experience video corruption while playing back videos from the ReLive gallery on Windows® 7 system configurations.
AMD Link TV applications are currently only available in English.

WYP
07-07-19, 02:34 PM
New AMD driver, Shame the image sharpening option is exclusive the the 5700 series, Would've hoped AMD could've have made it available for Radeon VII and maybe Vega 56/64.

https://www.amd.com/en/support/graphics/amd-radeon-2nd-generation-vega/amd-radeon-2nd-generation-vega/amd-radeon-vii

Could very easily be a hardware feature. I could see the consoles featuring this to help lower resolutions look better on a 4K screen.

tgrech
10-07-19, 01:33 PM
Switch Lite got an official reveal, Sept 20th release date, a pure handheld cut down variant for 33% off the price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZOPC6J4fAA

g0ggles1994
10-07-19, 01:45 PM
Switch Lite got an official reveal, Sept 20th release date, a pure handheld cut down variant for 33% off the price.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZOPC6J4fAA
It's for Pokémon. A lot of fans were 50/50 of paying for a normal Switch just for it but I know they would happily pay a lower price model that does the same job. Not only that, but the mainline Pokémon games have always been on handhelds.
I remember when Alpha Sapphire and Omega Ruby came out, 3DS sales went through the roof.

Excalabur50
13-07-19, 09:01 PM
Got this from HUB MSI are releasing new B450 and X470 boards with larger BIOS chips ans out of the box Ryzen 3000 series support and longer life going forward due to the much larger BIOS chips!

https://i.imgur.com/c8gpYxz.png

tgrech
15-07-19, 02:55 PM
Regarding a story you did a few weeks ago, it's now seemingly confirmed Azor Frank is working at AMD, from a recent tweet by Robert Hallock.

https://twitter.com/Thracks/status/1150775813534605312