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NeverBackDown
14-10-17, 04:45 PM
Guys this is quick news. Need to start a thread.

AngryGoldfish
14-10-17, 06:51 PM
TBF if AMD mess up he does say so. And yeah, the MCE thing sucks, especially as Intel will not guarantee any speeds at all. You could end up with a right minger. Kinda like the C? D? batch I7 920. Absolute pants.

That's true. He has given fair criticism towards AMD.

Vipermk2
15-10-17, 03:33 PM
Samsung's Next Gen NVMe SSDs Appear Online

https://s1.postimg.org/4uymtw3br3/sam.jpg


Samsung's next generation consumer NVMe SSDs first appeared on the University of New Hampshire InterOperability Laboratory NVMe Integrator's list (https://www.iol.unh.edu/registry/nvme) in July. The listing shows the retail drives as NVMe 97X and 98X. Sources with knowledge of the industry informed us that Samsung will release two products around the January time frame, both using 64-layer 3-bit per cell V-NAND memory,

Read more at Toms Hardware (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/samsung-pm981-980-nvme-ssd,35689.html)

Korreborg
17-10-17, 09:05 AM
http://noctua.at/en/products/product-line-chromax

Well F...ING BLACK FANS :D

AlienALX
17-10-17, 09:59 AM
Wow those cooler covers are amazing. Really nice Noctua !

AngryGoldfish
17-10-17, 12:25 PM
I'd consider swapping the stock Thermalright fan with the new NF-A15 with the black rubber mounts.

g0ggles1994
17-10-17, 09:14 PM
EA has shut down another studio..

Another reason why I refuse to buy any EA branded game

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/17/16490960/ea-closing-visceral-games-star-wars-game-delayed

Dicehunter
17-10-17, 09:47 PM
EA has shut down another studio..

Another reason why I refuse to buy any EA branded game

https://www.polygon.com/2017/10/17/16490960/ea-closing-visceral-games-star-wars-game-delayed

And now the Star Wars game is indefinitely pushed back, I really REALLY despise EA, Never buying any of their games ever again.

Jim from the Jimquisition actually said 2 years ago that Visceral has all the hallmarks of being shutdown by EA, Dead Space 3 and it's microtransaction garbage was the first sign.

Language used is not suitable for children or people with sensitive ears.

pOSUWFgLWGU

NeverBackDown
18-10-17, 03:39 AM
Infinite Shadow Wars coming as FLC along side the first paid DLC content The Slaughter Tribe.
Via PCGamesn (https://www.google.com/amp/s/pcgamesn.com/middle-earth-shadow-of-war/middle-earth-shadow-of-war-endless-shadow-wars%3famp#ampshare=https://pcgamesn.com//middle-earth-shadow-of-war/middle-earth-shadow-of-war-endless-shadow-wars)

Dicehunter
18-10-17, 04:37 PM
The next Oculus home update in December goes full minority report with the interface -

SvP_RI_S-bw

g0ggles1994
18-10-17, 08:17 PM
The 2 Asus AM4 Mini ITX boards are now listed on their website with a press release as well. No info on pricing yet and expected to be available late this month

https://rog.asus.com/articles/maximus-motherboards/bring-ryzen-to-mini-itx-with-rogs-strix-x370-i-and-b350-i-gaming-motherboards/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-X370-I-Gaming/

https://www.asus.com/Motherboards/ROG-Strix-B350-I-Gaming/

Wraith
19-10-17, 12:31 AM
Breaking news! This just in, Happy birthday WYP!

Bartacus
19-10-17, 12:40 AM
Breaking news! This just in, Happy birthday WYP!
Cool, HBD news king!

NeverBackDown
19-10-17, 01:01 AM
HAPPY FREAKING BIRTHDAY!:D
Go have some fun bud! :downit:

AlienALX
19-10-17, 08:59 AM
Happy Birthday Mark mate. Our news guru gets another year older :)

Have a great day :)

Tolemac
19-10-17, 09:02 AM
A very happy birthday Mark thank you for your awesome work and our many chats on discord :)

WYP
19-10-17, 10:08 AM
Thanks guys. 25 today, a quarter of a century.

It is also my brother's birthday today as well, Twin Brother Gary. (slightly younger brother!)

Dark NighT
19-10-17, 10:13 AM
Happy Birthday Mark!!

Have a great day!

Excalabur50
19-10-17, 10:15 AM
Happy Birthday Mark hope it's a goodn mate

AlienALX
19-10-17, 10:18 AM
Happy Birthday Gary ! keep the coffee machine running man :D

Dicehunter
19-10-17, 07:24 PM
The Fall Creators update Game Mode has actually been shown to genuinely improve game performance by up to 20%, Pretty impressive.

dW4dS_1hxuA


https://i.imgur.com/626oHbr.png

NeverBackDown
19-10-17, 07:58 PM
Well looks like I'm gonna start benchmarking. If this is the case for this update I'll just do it without waiting to see how other people fare in the update.

SPS
20-10-17, 08:10 AM
I mean it makes sense, Windows runs so much crap in the background that is not essential for gaming so good to see.

Damien c
20-10-17, 09:23 AM
Well from my testing of The Division this new game mode makes no difference, other than slowing down my pc to a crawl after stopping recording and closing a game, meaning I have to reboot the pc to get functionality back of being able to open Explorer or type in a text document.


Here are my results from the built in benchmark in The Division, from 2 different drivers.

385.69

The Division

Without Gamemode Enabled

Avg FPS 77.4

Typical FPS 78.1

Avg CPU 39%

Avg GPU 98%



With Gamemode Enabled, Game Not Restarted

Avg FPS 78.6

Typical FPS 79.7

Avg CPU 40%

Avg GPU 98%



With Gamemode Enabled, Game Restarted

Avg FPS 79

Typical FPS 79.9

Avg CPU 40%

Avg GPU 98%




387.92

Without Gamemode Enabled

Avg FPS 78

Typical FPS 78.5

Avg CPU 41%

Avg GPU 98%



With Gamemode Enabled, Game Not Restarted

Avg FPS 79.6

Typical FPS 80.5

Avg CPU 40%

Avg GPU 98%



With Gamemode Enabled, Game Restarted

Avg FPS 81.4

Typical FPS 82.4

Avg CPU 40%

Avg GPU 97%


System is:

7700K 4.5Ghz
32Gb Corsair 2400Mhz
MSI Gaming 980Ti factory speeds
WD Blue SSD (windows + games)
WD 3Tb Red (recording drive)

Fresh install of Windows last week, everything was fine with the Explorer etc prior to this update and enabling "Game Mode" for the games using the "Game Bar".

WYP
20-10-17, 09:41 AM
The Fall Creators update Game Mode has actually been shown to genuinely improve game performance by up to 20%, Pretty impressive.

dW4dS_1hxuA


https://i.imgur.com/626oHbr.png

Joker isn't the best guy for laying out his testing methods, as he never states that he moved to AMD's new Fall Creators driver after the update (which enabled HBCC by default). That causes a lot of performance variance by itself.

Also looking at the video I see a 1GB VRAM discrepancy in his before and after Rainbow Six Seige test.

I have been conducting my own tests on the Creators updates and have not found such a huge increase in performance. Some increases in select titles, but not 20% gains.

Take this with a huge pinch of salt until it is also shown by more reputable sources.

AlienALX
20-10-17, 10:44 AM
AMD did this year's ago. It was part of Fusion and made sod all difference then.

SPS
20-10-17, 10:56 AM
I wonder if it reduces spikes.

AngryGoldfish
20-10-17, 11:13 AM
Somebody in the comments with a 980Ti said they saw big performance gains.

Warchild
20-10-17, 01:15 PM
Somebody in the comments with a 980Ti said they saw big performance gains.

tested 980ti on my other pc, so 0 gain. and its got some serious grunt in that case.
1080ti tested on this pc, 2fps gain. I call BS

Korreborg
20-10-17, 01:27 PM
Well how is Windows suppose to improve game performance? Focus the performance on the game. So i would guess a low power computer with a lot of things running in the background should be the place to see an improvement. But i might be wrong :)

But us nerds with high power CPUs, we probably don't need this.

AngryGoldfish
20-10-17, 01:38 PM
tested 980ti on my other pc, so 0 gain. and its got some serious grunt in that case.
1080ti tested on this pc, 2fps gain. I call BS

Ahh, that's a shame. Maybe there's something else at play like WYP said. I'm downloading the update now. I'll test Arkham Knight when it's done.

Dark NighT
20-10-17, 01:38 PM
Well how is Windows suppose to improve game performance? Focus the performance on the game. So i would guess a low power computer with a lot of things running in the background should be the place to see an improvement. But i might be wrong :)

But us nerds with high power CPUs, we probably don't need this.

Precisely, it good for computers that struggle a bit.

AlienALX
20-10-17, 02:24 PM
It disables everything other than the game, so background apps, frees up memory and so on. However with the way windows handles multi tasking etc and how powerful pcs are these days it will make bugger all difference.

NeverBackDown
20-10-17, 04:44 PM
It makes no difference.

AngryGoldfish
20-10-17, 04:59 PM
I wouldn't know... I'm still downloading...

:mad:

Korreborg
20-10-17, 05:18 PM
https://www.ekwb.com/shop/new-products
EKWB now has RGB Res and slim 140 and 280 rads.

NeverBackDown
20-10-17, 10:32 PM
I wouldn't know... I'm still downloading...

:mad:

Took me 5 seconds to download but 15 minutes to install

Vipermk2
24-10-17, 05:17 PM
Adding multiplayer would "dilute" Wolfenstein's storytelling



https://s1.postimg.org/69u8kekmtr/Wolfenstein-2-610.png

MachineGames' Tommy Tordsson Björk on the benefits of single-player focus to "pushing the boundaries" in The New Colossus



See more here (http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-10-23-adding-multiplayer-would-dilute-wolfensteins-storytelling)

AlienALX
25-10-17, 10:41 AM
It seems that certain socket types can damage TR CPUs, killing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe99_lsBTqo

But take note of the comment below -

Tech Showdown
10 hours ago
It depends on who makes the socket, the Foxconn ones are near impossible to install the CPU into but the Lotes ones are super easy (I covered it in my 'x399 is a mess right now' video).
They are actually quite different if you compare them side by side, just avoid any x399 which has the Foxconn socket because it can be an absolute nightmare.

So I would do your research guys and do not buy a board with a Foxconn socket.

g0ggles1994
25-10-17, 11:08 AM
It seems that certain socket types can damage TR CPUs, killing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oe99_lsBTqo

But take note of the comment below -

Tech Showdown
10 hours ago
It depends on who makes the socket, the Foxconn ones are near impossible to install the CPU into but the Lotes ones are super easy (I covered it in my 'x399 is a mess right now' video).
They are actually quite different if you compare them side by side, just avoid any x399 which has the Foxconn socket because it can be an absolute nightmare.

So I would do your research guys and do not buy a board with a Foxconn socket.


Wow, never expected something like that would make so much difference.

Also, the X370-I and B350-I are on CCL now with prices of £185 and £155. I know it could just be placeholder pricing but I'm not sure how I feel on it considering how empty the rear I/O is in respect to the Z370-I. I just hope the VRM cooling is substantial enough to make it worth it

https://www.cclonline.com/product/242927/90MB0VE0-M0EAY0/Motherboards/ASUS-ROG-Strix-X370-I-GAMING-AMD-Socket-AM4-Mini-ITX-Motherboard/MBD2310/

https://www.cclonline.com/product/242926/90MB0VD0-M0EAY0/Motherboards/ASUS-ROG-Strix-B350-I-GAMING-AMD-Socket-AM4-Mini-ITX-Motherboard/MBD2309/

NeverBackDown
26-10-17, 12:14 AM
Patch notes on the Mortal Empires Update coming out tomorrow
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/mortal-empires-patch-notes
https://cdn.creative-assembly.com/total-war/com.totalwar.www/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/25111238/Mortal-Empires-Final-1080.png


Details how the patch install size downloads and how Steam handles it and the file sizes,a metric ton of text detailing changes to the New World Factions/bug fixes/stat changes, talking about NEW BUILDINGS for Old World Factions(counted 18) OR updated/reshuffled buildings, new graphic option, etc.

Dicehunter
26-10-17, 01:51 PM
Some impressive performance from the new Ryzen/Vega APU's for ultra thin notebooks.

WwWRWC-34xQ

AlienALX
26-10-17, 01:58 PM
Wow so you could actually game on these then.

NeverBackDown
26-10-17, 02:44 PM
Some impressive performance from the new Ryzen/Vega APU's for ultra thin notebooks.

WwWRWC-34xQ

Pretty impressive for a 15watt part. Imagine if they released a higher wattage version. Could be very strong performance!

NeverBackDown
01-11-17, 11:30 PM
Bundle Stars has now rebranded the company. Now called Fanatical
https://www.fanatical.com/en/blog/bundle-stars-is-now-called-fanatical

They are having a 10% off coupon to celebrate the launch of the new platform. In addition they are having sales on many games.
Shadow of War (10%off)
Warhammer 2 (20% off)
Wolfenstein The New Order (67% off)
Wolfenstein The New Colossus (5% off)
and more.
All the above games(and any game for that matter) can stack the site wide 10% off discount. A pretty big deal considering some of the games just launched!

Excalabur50
04-11-17, 07:17 AM
Samsung's new rig lets you turn your old mobile phones into a mining rig, full story here https://futurism.com/mine-bitcoins-using-40-old-galaxy-s5s/

Dicehunter
09-11-17, 10:34 PM
Respawn, The studio behind Titanfall, Has been purchased by EA, Shall I say RIP now ? ^_^

http://www.pcgamer.com/electronic-arts-buys-respawn-for-more-than-400-million-new-titanfall-in-the-works/?utm_content=buffera5d39&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&utm_campaign=buffer_pcgamerfb

AngryGoldfish
14-11-17, 03:23 PM
Be Quiet! have released their Dark Base 700. It looks absolutely fantastic and has is receiving glowing reviews. Performance numbers are actually better than the Dark Base 900.

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/1203

I remember when the Dark Base 900 came out, I was in such high expectation of it. But it was a little big and the lack of a basement was a turn off. The 700 seems to fix all of that. It has a basement and is slightly smaller while still fitting 2 x 360mm rads. If I were watercooling or needed a large case, I'd definitely buy the Dark Base 700.

Dark NighT
14-11-17, 04:18 PM
Be Quiet! have released their Dark Base 700. It looks absolutely fantastic and has is receiving glowing reviews. Performance numbers are actually better than the Dark Base 900.

https://www.bequiet.com/en/case/1203

I remember when the Dark Base 900 came out, I was in such high expectation of it. But it was a little big and the lack of a basement was a turn off. The 700 seems to fix all of that. It has a basement and is slightly smaller while still fitting 2 x 360mm rads. If I were watercooling or needed a large case, I'd definitely buy the Dark Base 700.

Woah, that is a pretty case!

In the famous words of TTL, Can i have a white one please?

Dicehunter
16-11-17, 02:41 AM
In Corsairs newest Corsair Link update they have added support for Corsair MagLev RGB fans, Meaning they should be released fairly soon.

Dicehunter
16-11-17, 01:25 PM
New Corsair stereo headset -

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/landing/hs50-gaming-headset

Warchild
17-11-17, 07:51 AM
New Corsair stereo headset -

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/landing/hs50-gaming-headset

Looks better than the void by far. More sensible looking headset, removable mic too.

Dicehunter
17-11-17, 08:07 AM
Looks better than the void by far. More sensible looking headset, removable mic too.

Apparently it's on par sound quality wise with Hyper X Cloud II which is actually a damn good headset.

Warchild
17-11-17, 08:25 AM
Apparently it's on par sound quality wise with Hyper X Cloud II which is actually a damn good headset.

Im using the void now, and its repulsive to look at. I feel like im wearing some barbell on my head with 2 weights either side.

These could be a good alternative.

Dicehunter
17-11-17, 08:53 AM
Im using the void now, and its repulsive to look at. I feel like im wearing some barbell on my head with 2 weights either side.

These could be a good alternative.

I have the Void Pro but I don't really care about looks when it comes to headphones/sets, As long as they sound good and after a burn in period the sound of the Voids really does change, I've had the Void Pros since they released around 1-2 months ago and the sound now has opened up so much, Really good sounding cans, I may give these new stereo cans a look as well.

Dicehunter
21-11-17, 09:44 PM
Belgium declares that loot boxes are gambling, will seek to have them banned in Europe

http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in-europe/?utm_content=buffere78bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw

Dark NighT
21-11-17, 09:50 PM
Belgium declares that loot boxes are gambling, will seek to have them banned in Europe

http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in-europe/?utm_content=buffere78bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw

A sliver of hope for the gaming industry.

Warchild
22-11-17, 07:06 AM
Belgium declares that loot boxes are gambling, will seek to have them banned in Europe

http://www.pcgamer.com/belgium-says-loot-boxes-are-gambling-wants-them-banned-in-europe/?utm_content=buffere78bc&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=buffer-pcgamertw

Can't view URL in work. However does this include all forms of apps via Google playstore and iTunes?

Dicehunter
22-11-17, 09:15 AM
Can't view URL in work. However does this include all forms of apps via Google playstore and iTunes?

I'd imagine so yes, If it contains a form of gambling that kids could have easy access to I imagine it will be eventually banned.

NeverBackDown
24-11-17, 12:43 AM
200 petaflops would easily surpass the measly 98Petaflops that the current China Super Computer can perform.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/4127284-ibm-nvidia-team-build-worlds-fastest-computer#ampshare=https://seekingalpha.com/article/4127284-ibm-nvidia-team-build-worlds-fastest-computer

All by IBM and Nvidia. IBMs custom Power9 CPU that has 4 threads per core. Yep. 4 threads in parallel. Take that Intel and AMD:p

g0ggles1994
29-11-17, 01:50 PM
Anyone heard about some Ryzen 5 CPU's being spotted with 8 cores instead of 6 back in October? Well according to this, another has been spotted, and a Ryzen 3 with 8 cores as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7g61ok/ryzen_3_1200_with_8_cores/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7g9sck/amd_is_providing_cpu_lootboxes/

TheF34RChannel
29-11-17, 03:14 PM
Star Citizen is selling virtual plots of land for up to £96 a pop
As part of a mechanic that is not yet available in a game that's not yet out.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-29-star-citizen-is-selling-virtual-plots-of-land-for-up-to-96

LOL!!! I love this, their whole ploy in fact, it's like throwing money in a duck pond.

Dicehunter
29-11-17, 03:42 PM
Star Citizen is selling virtual plots of land for up to £96 a pop
As part of a mechanic that is not yet available in a game that's not yet out.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-11-29-star-citizen-is-selling-virtual-plots-of-land-for-up-to-96

LOL!!! I love this, their whole ploy in fact, it's like throwing money in a duck pond.

I got SC free with the purchase of a 290X quite some time ago, No way in hell am I spending money on it though and judging by it's current state it won't be out for at least another 3 years, And that's being conservative.

AngryGoldfish
29-11-17, 03:44 PM
Anyone heard about some Ryzen 5 CPU's being spotted with 8 cores instead of 6 back in October? Well according to this, another has been spotted, and a Ryzen 3 with 8 cores as well

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7g61ok/ryzen_3_1200_with_8_cores/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/7g9sck/amd_is_providing_cpu_lootboxes/

That suggests how cheap AMD could sell Ryzen for if need be.

AlienALX
29-11-17, 04:15 PM
That suggests how cheap AMD could sell Ryzen for if need be.

Yup, because Keller is a genius. Not only did he create a kickass tech he also created it so it could be made cheaply and efficiently.

Dicehunter
01-12-17, 03:50 AM
Zenimax has locked Oculus Rift users out of the new Doom VFR game, Only HTC Vive and Windows MR headsets have access.

I hope this isn't the case with Fallout 4VR and Skyrim VR :(

https://uploadvr.com/doom-vfr-oclus-rift-wont-work-launch/

AlienALX
01-12-17, 09:10 AM
Read the bottom comment.

Though tbh you may be better avoiding it any way.

Warchild
01-12-17, 09:41 AM
Zenimax has locked Oculus Rift users out of the new Doom VFR game, Only HTC Vive and Windows MR headsets have access.

I hope this isn't the case with Fallout 4VR and Skyrim VR :(

https://uploadvr.com/doom-vfr-oclus-rift-wont-work-launch/

Modders will find a way passed this anyway. They manage to get Rift exclusives to work on Vive so its just a matter of time. Just a nice middle finger towards Zenimax.

Warchild
01-12-17, 12:17 PM
double posting but separate topic

Seems EA shot themselves in the foot again.

first they claim that they wouldnt add cosmetics in order to stay true to SW franchise. Then someone from reddit datamines a substantial amount of new skins and outfits for heroes.

source (https://www.kitguru.net/gaming/damien-cox/dataminer-uncovers-unused-star-wars-battlefront-ii-cosmetics/)

Maybe Disney at work behind the "no, to cosmetics" but I highly doubt that.


The video shared by uninspired_zebra doesn’t showcase a pink Darth Vader, mind you, or any other variant of heroes that could potentially distort the true memory of the franchise, however it does give a look at various skins for assault classes across the six factions. Stranger yet, none of what was shown was completely out of canon, as all skins have been present within the Star Wars universe before and would make more sense than Rey fighting Darth Vader in the Cloning Facility on Kamino

Wraith
01-12-17, 08:26 PM
Petition to have Lucas film revoke EA's license. :lol:

https://www.change.org/p/lucasfilm-revoke-ea-s-star-wars-license

Excalabur50
01-12-17, 08:27 PM
EA are like politicians you can tell when they are lying by their mouths moving

AngryGoldfish
01-12-17, 08:39 PM
I don't understand these petitions. Do they ever actually do anything?

NeverBackDown
01-12-17, 11:06 PM
Petition to have Lucas film revoke EA's license. :lol:

https://www.change.org/p/lucasfilm-revoke-ea-s-star-wars-license

It's not gonna work. Whether they do it or not Disney will make the choice purely on money.

AlienALX
02-12-17, 11:44 AM
This is the company who made Indiana Jones Crystal Skull and slept at night. GLWT !

AngryGoldfish
02-12-17, 03:10 PM
According to this report, AMD are working on a GDDR6 memory controller. They'll still likely be using HBM2 for the higher-end sector, but GDDR6 might be installed in midrange GPUs. GDDR6 should have a lot more effective bandwidth than the Fury X and Titan Xp, which is really good for those playing at higher resolutions.

https://wccftech.com/amd-gddr6-memory-upcoming-graphics-cards/

WYP
02-12-17, 04:11 PM
According to this report, AMD are working on a GDDR6 memory controller. They'll still likely be using HBM2 for the higher-end sector, but GDDR6 might be installed in midrange GPUs. GDDR6 should have a lot more effective bandwidth than the Fury X and Titan Xp, which is really good for those playing at higher resolutions.

https://wccftech.com/amd-gddr6-memory-upcoming-graphics-cards/

Rumours about this have been spinning around for ages. GDDR6 makes a lot of sense, as it is a lot more power efficient than GDDR5 due to its increased bandwidth.

Effectively GDDR6 will allow GPU makers to offer the same levels of performance using almost half as many chips as an equivalent GDDR5 solution. This has huge potential in the low-end to save money per chip with a smaller memory bus, or just offer more pure performance.

Dicehunter
02-12-17, 07:15 PM
Forum member Helldriver just pointed at (https://forum.overclock3d.net/showpost.php?p=964883&postcount=25) the Newegg page for the new Corsair AIO's coming out, New pump top and quieter pump, coming in 120mm, 240mm, 280mm and 360mm, I'll definitely be getting the 280 as my H110i GT has started making a rattling sound.

Store Page (https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835181138&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC&cm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-PC-_-pla-_-Liquid+%2F+Water+Cooling-_-N82E16835181138&gclid=Cj0KCQiAmITRBRCSARIsAEOZmr57L6zLMKdOnqfKNBhI PdeSFmlz2h65r62ZW-tHq3-GM5FTudrbv7gaApo-EALw_wcB&gclsrc=aw.ds)


https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/35-181-138%20%2001.jpg

https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/35-181-138%20%2002.jpg

https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/35-181-138%20%2003.jpg



Oddly not using the square cold plate that they usually use on a lot of their AIO's.



https://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/ProductImageCompressAll1280/35-181-138%20%2006.jpg

AngryGoldfish
02-12-17, 09:29 PM
Not... pumped... on their pump top design, but maybe it is actually going to get Corsair back on top.

Dicehunter
02-12-17, 09:38 PM
Not... pumped... on their pump top design, but maybe it is actually going to get Corsair back on top.

The 280mm version will be a day 1 buy for me as I took my build completely apart a few weeks back to give it a good thorough cleaning, Everything went fine apart from when I accidentally dropped the H110i GT, Now it has a slight buzz to it XD

AngryGoldfish
02-12-17, 09:40 PM
The 280mm version will be a day 1 buy for me as I took my build completely apart a few weeks back to give it a good thorough cleaning, Everything went fine apart from when I accidentally dropped the H110i GT, Now it has a slight buzz to it XD

Did you accidentally on purpose drop it just to excuse the new purchase? :p ;)

Dicehunter
02-12-17, 09:41 PM
Did you accidentally on purpose drop it just to excuse the new purchase? :p ;)

Lolz ^_^

Nah it was an honest bugger up, I went pale when I dropped it as I have nothing else to cool my CPU currently XD

AngryGoldfish
02-12-17, 09:46 PM
I can't cope if my system has major downtime. It really sucks. i rely on it too much to be honest. I should go out and do normal stuff or something. :p

Dicehunter
02-12-17, 09:46 PM
I can't cope if my system has major downtime. It really sucks. i rely on it too much to be honest. I should go out and do normal stuff or something. :p

I thought this was normal stuff ? ^_^

AngryGoldfish
02-12-17, 09:48 PM
I thought this was normal stuff ? ^_^

To most of my friends and family it's not. To me it's all I have. Until I get my car I'm kind of stuck here most of the time anyway. Once I start driving I'm going to try and hit the gym every day or as much as possible.

Dicehunter
02-12-17, 10:07 PM
To most of my friends and family it's not. To me it's all I have. Until I get my car I'm kind of stuck here most of the time anyway. Once I start driving I'm going to try and hit the gym every day or as much as possible.

My day consists of, Get up, Breakfast, Go to the gym or clients homes and yell at people to lift weights and run faster, After that I train for 2 hours, Then come home and get on the PC.

Literally nothing else ^_^

Dicehunter
05-12-17, 06:45 AM
Corsairs upcoming "Pro" lineup of AIO's were briefly available on Newegg for order and it looks like someone got theirs ahead of the official release date.

altnBdRxsVA

Warchild
05-12-17, 07:07 AM
Corsairs upcoming "Pro" lineup of AIO's were briefly available on Newegg for order and it looks like someone got theirs ahead of the official release date.

altnBdRxsVA

That block looks like a step back on design. Not pretty at all.

NeverBackDown
05-12-17, 07:14 AM
That block looks like a step back on design. Not pretty at all.

Might be RGB but the picture is just white.

AlienALX
05-12-17, 07:27 AM
Worst unboxing video ever.

Dicehunter
05-12-17, 07:32 AM
Worst unboxing video ever.

Indeed, But at least it means they are getting released soon and I can replace my buzzing H110i GT ^_^

Excalabur50
05-12-17, 10:59 AM
Amazon has just launched in Australia

AngryGoldfish
05-12-17, 04:04 PM
Amazon has just launched in Australia

While I think it's gross how much money the CEO has, Amazon has been one of my go-to websites for donkeys years, so congratulations! :p

Dicehunter
05-12-17, 07:53 PM
Rift and Vive Tomb Raider experience.

SteamVR support for Rise of the Tomb Raider “Blood Ties” story chapter now available!

HTC Vive and Oculus Rift owners can now experience the “Blood Ties” single-player story chapter through the eyes of Lara Croft on SteamVR. If you ever wondered what it would be like to walk through the halls of Croft Manor, VR is the ultimate way to do so. SteamVR allows you to stand in the Manor’s main hall, explore Lord Croft’s office, and discover memories long thought lost in the lower basement levels of the home of Lara’s youth. Explore Lara’s childhood home in VR and uncover a Croft family mystery that will change her life forever.

The SteamVR update is free and available now. The “Blood Ties” story chapter is included with Rise of the Tomb Raider: 20 year Celebration. Owners of Rise of the Tomb Raider standard edition can purchase the standalone version of Blood Ties, which is included in the 20 Year Celebration pack DLC, or purchase the season pass.

Thanks to our friends at Nixxes for their hard work on this VR update!

Source - http://store.steampowered.com/news/externalpost/steam_community_announcements/2152021858915171462

Avet
06-12-17, 06:44 PM
It is coming, and it is perfection.

http://cdn.overclock.net/3/36/367b74e9_newback-g-155.jpeg

http://www.overclock.net/t/1642144/caselabs-announces-the-magnum-sma8-a-revision-sma8-a

AngryGoldfish
06-12-17, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I've been following that thread for a week or so and all the additions make a great case the absolute perfect case for a high-end liquid cooled system. I can foresee even a lot of current SMA8 owners (JaysTwoCents for instance) replacing their older version with the newer one.

NeverBackDown
07-12-17, 03:37 AM
So while I'm not an expert in C++ yet or in any language yet and haven't reached Linear Algebra I know enough to get through some of this article. It's super interesting to me how the things I'm learning are actually being used in the real world by Nvidia.

https://devblogs.nvidia.com/parallelforall/cutlass-linear-algebra-cuda/

Basically they made a far more efficient and flexible formula for speeding up Deep Learning tasks that runs on Tensor Cores.

looz
09-12-17, 11:37 AM
https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/nvidia-titan-v-graphics-card-benchmarks.html

Some Volta benchmarks.

AngryGoldfish
09-12-17, 12:35 PM
It doesn't look be as big of a jump as Maxwell to Pascal.

AlienALX
09-12-17, 12:54 PM
It doesn't look be as big of a jump as Maxwell to Pascal.

It isn't. See my post in the other thread. DP wise? yeah, it hauls ass but that is useless to gaming ATM. It's like Fermi again. Everything on there, bells and whistles a'plenty but unless you can find the right software it's naff. Fermi was incredible for folding etc but for gaming? not so much.

Nvidia have not done that since. Big old hot tank cores. However, Volta is tuned to do what it does in certain things and that is why they have gone back to it. Hence the 3 grand price tag. If you want it all you gotta pay for it all...

Which is probably why Ampere will be cut back, probably no HBM etc to bring the costs down. They really don't want to do another Fermi that was a disaster.

However they didn't have much choice because Vega too is fantastic at heavy duty apps and so on. The Tflops are not a million miles away on Volta and Vega. Both of them will "stink"** for gaming though IMO

** IE workstation products should not be running piddly games.

AngryGoldfish
09-12-17, 02:44 PM
Apparently the guy over at RedGamingTech—who I've begun to find irritating on multiple levels—says that the Titan V "absolutely decimates" the Titan Xp in the graphics score for Fire Strike. He then goes on to quote said scores, reaffirming why I don't have very much respect for his opinion. A Titan Xp can hit 30,000 GPU score quite easily. The Titan V hits 33,000. 'Nuff said?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzncRDva_HU&feature=youtu.be

Also, apparently KitGuru has an insider slide suggesting Ryzen 2 will offer a 12c/24t CPU for $450 that has a turbo speed of 5.1Ghz and a base speed of 4.5Ghz. Launch date Feb 1st.

AlienALX
09-12-17, 02:58 PM
My XP will do 32000 flat out. Xp should do better.. V? not a gaming card AT ALL. Expect hardly anything.

AngryGoldfish
09-12-17, 03:03 PM
My XP will do 32000 flat out. Xp should do better.. V? not a gaming card AT ALL. Expect hardly anything.

30,000 is with the card around stock speeds, not flat out. Guru3D recorded 29,800 GPU score with their Star Wars Xp review. The memory is overclocked on that, but the core is no different than the previous XP or Xp.

Dicehunter
09-12-17, 03:12 PM
Also, apparently KitGuru has an insider slide suggesting Ryzen 2 will offer a 12c/24t CPU for $450 that has a turbo speed of 5.1Ghz and a base speed of 4.5Ghz. Launch date Feb 1st.

IF that is true I have a feeling AMD will announce we need a new motherboard even though they said they want to support AM4 until 2020.

I have zero faith in companies to be consumer friendly or offer upgrade paths.

AlienALX
09-12-17, 03:18 PM
IF that is true I have a feeling AMD will announce we need a new motherboard even though they said they want to support AM4 until 2020.

I have zero faith in companies to be consumer friendly or offer upgrade paths.

Nah you should be more than fine mate. Ryzen 2 is a shrink, so should be far more frugal with power. Thus a 12/24 should eat the same or less as the existing 8/16.

AMD just aren't the D word, never have been and never will be*****

***** OK so the 560 was a d-word move, but that is Radeon Tech Group and AMD separated themselves from that as far as they could before Zen launched. And hey, it's not like Nvidia haven't done it AT LEAST twice (260 and 560Ti come to mind !).

Dicehunter
09-12-17, 03:28 PM
Nah you should be more than fine mate. Ryzen 2 is a shrink, so should be far more frugal with power. Thus a 12/24 should eat the same or less as the existing 8/16.

AMD just aren't the D word, never have been and never will be*****

***** OK so the 560 was a d-word move, but that is Radeon Tech Group and AMD separated themselves from that as far as they could before Zen launched. And hey, it's not like Nvidia haven't done it AT LEAST twice (260 and 560Ti come to mind !).

I REALLY hope you're right, If not then I think I'll be done with PC's, I went the AMD route because of the upgrade path and support they said they would have, If it turns out to be not true then it's consoles for me ^_^

looz
09-12-17, 03:30 PM
With consoles you'll get shafted even more. 70€ games and 60fps at native resolution if you're lucky and bought the latest Pro(tm) edition of the console. :P

Bartacus
09-12-17, 03:31 PM
If those Ryzen 2 specs are true, I am all over that as soon as it lands.

AngryGoldfish
09-12-17, 03:33 PM
I REALLY hope you're right, If not then I think I'll be done with PC's, I went the AMD route because of the upgrade path and support they said they would have, If it turns out to be not true then it's consoles for me ^_^

I've said that too, but consoles are no better. At least if AMD force us into a new motherboard like Intel then I'll be getting incredible power. But anyway, a 12c/24t CPU at 5.1Ghz turbo for $450? I don't think it's only a few months away.

looz
09-12-17, 03:38 PM
Here I am just hoping for clock speed improvements, I don't really care for more than 6 cores. Ability to reach 4.5GHz reliably would make Ryzen a serious contender for us less productive types. :P

AlienALX
09-12-17, 03:49 PM
I REALLY hope you're right, If not then I think I'll be done with PC's, I went the AMD route because of the upgrade path and support they said they would have, If it turns out to be not true then it's consoles for me ^_^

AMD made AM2 last as long as they could, they really did. It was stunning how long that socket lasted. Same went for AM3 too. From a dual core Phenom right up to Bulldozer and Piledriver, providing you had the fets. You have the fets. You've got the best board you can buy, so yeah I wouldn't sweat it at all.

This is the same AMD who have been giving people 8 core Zen in place of a dual + HT.

AngryGoldfish
09-12-17, 04:01 PM
I don't predict we'll see a new motherboard, not until 2019. Even then I think it'll just be a refresh and not a new socket; like going from Z170 to Z270 (and Z370 according to the reports).

Dicehunter
10-12-17, 01:32 PM
1800X replacement, the 2800X, 12 core 24 thread for AM4 mobos with some insane clocks.

https://www.tweaktown.com/news/60100/amds-new-ryzen-7-2800x-teased-12c-24t-up-5-1ghz/index.html

Take with a grain of salt until it's actually released but if it's true then yeah, day 1 buy for me.


https://s17.postimg.org/rp65y4llr/Wa06s_Ip.jpg

AlienALX
10-12-17, 01:54 PM
Oh my god. If that is true? Oh. My. God.

Edit. I think I can calculate that to see if it's total BS. Dice, give me your Cinebench score for 4ghz on your 1800x mate. I will then add four cores on, add four threads on, calculate what a 12 core 1800x (yes I know that doesn't exist but I will make it !) can do and then add the clock speed to see if the % are correct.

AlienALX
10-12-17, 04:17 PM
OK so I cleared my head and did some maths.

1800 cinebench 4000mhz.
So, for our 1800 CB score we are basically scoring 225 points per 1c/1t. So, 8 cores x 225 points = 1800.
So, if this were a 12 core CPU we would times the single core and thread score by 12, instead of 8. This, theoretically gives us a score of 2,700. Now we need to increase the clock speed to figure out what we would score at example, 5ghz. Remember, I am doing this linearly, meaning due to the linear way Cinebench scores I can add or remove cores and clock speeds to manipulate the end result.

So, at 4ghz or 4000mhz we score 1800 points. Our score at 1000mhz should be 1800 divided by four, so 450 cinebench points per 1000mhz. So 450CB x 4 (or 4ghz or 4000mhz) is 1800.

So, if we do this linearly we can now calculate what the 1800x would score at 5ghz. This should be an extra 1000mhz of CB points, so 450. So, theoretically at 5ghz we would score 2250 with a 8/16 1800x. Now to make it a 12 core we need to divide the score by 4 which would be 562.5. We then add that to the 5ghz theoretical CB score and we get score of 2812CB with 12 Ryzen cores running at 5ghz.
AMD are saying 70% or so faster than the 1800x which scores 1800 points. For a 100% gain we would need to double that score to 3600 for example. However, 2812 is right around 70%.

OK, so if that got a little confusing I apologise. Just remember I said it here first, If these rumours are true I predict the 12/24 @ 5ghz will score 2812 points in Cinebench.

looz
10-12-17, 04:18 PM
Assuming 4.6GHz is the all core clock, a R7 at 4.69GHz manages 2041 cb (http://hwbot.org/submission/3655638_phobosq_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_1800x_2041 _cb) in Cinebench. That times 1.5 to compensate for the lack of cores is ~3060. R7-1800X manages like 1620 in cinebench R15 stock. 1620*1.81 would be 2932 so it's in the ballbark.

AlienALX
10-12-17, 04:22 PM
Assuming 4.6GHz is the all core clock, a R7 at 4.69GHz manages 2041 cb (http://hwbot.org/submission/3655638_phobosq_cinebench___r15_ryzen_7_1800x_2041 _cb) in Cinebench. That times 1.5 to compensate for the lack of cores is ~3060. R7-1800X manages like 1620 in cinebench R15 stock. 1620*1.81 would be 2932 so it's in the ballbark.

Yup totally dude. All I wanted to see was the supposed 70%, because normally the idiots who make up these slides don't actually have a brain to do the maths with first. Thus you can usually call them out by doing the maths.

I have studied CB quite intensely. Back when I had my FX 8 I used to disable cores, change the clocks ETC and it was always totally linear. If I removed two cores, for example, my scores would decrease, to within about 5 points, totally as I expected them to. This is why I swear by CB for a "flat out 100%" sort of score as it's very accurate, unlike crap like Geekbench and CPUZ's built in bench etc.

Buy yeah, doing it like that linearly shows that the 70% or whatever is well within the region of possible truth !

Wow, that is actually quite amazing. Intel will really be in the crap with their pricing if that is true !

Dicehunter
10-12-17, 04:23 PM
Oh my god. If that is true? Oh. My. God.

Edit. I think I can calculate that to see if it's total BS. Dice, give me your Cinebench score for 4ghz on your 1800x mate. I will then add four cores on, add four threads on, calculate what a 12 core 1800x (yes I know that doesn't exist but I will make it !) can do and then add the clock speed to see if the % are correct.

4GHz with 3200MHz memory, I could probably manage over 1800 if I did more tweaking -

https://i.imgur.com/qTRfjmf.jpg

AlienALX
10-12-17, 04:28 PM
4GHz with 3200MHz memory, I could probably manage over 1800 if I did more tweaking -

https://i.imgur.com/qTRfjmf.jpg

I rounded it up ever so slightly dude. 1798 is much more of a head feck to calculate lmao. I have seen them do 1800 though..

Also don't forget I took the easy way out and broke it into 1000mhz, not 100. So I could only calculate up to 5ghz, or 5000mhz using that formula.

Maybe later when I can clear my head I will go for the exact 5100mhz prediction.

AlienALX
10-12-17, 04:58 PM
Wait I calculated it wrong. The 2700 points per 12 cores 24 threads was correct. I can calculate this in three different ways and it always comes out to 2700. Where I went wrong was the overclock. I only added the overclock points for the 8 core CPU, not 12.

2700 points at 4ghz on 12 cores. That means I am getting 675 per 1000mhz of 12 cores.
So I need to add 675 (another 1000mhz on 12 cores) to 2700 so that is 3375. That is my prediction, now my brain finally stopped farting...

3600 is 100% increase. 3300 or so? yeah, it's bang on tbh. Some one also pointed out 5.1ghz may probably be 1 core, not all 12 too.

AngryGoldfish
10-12-17, 05:06 PM
I posted that yesterday as it was initially KitGuru that had the source, but I think it was overshadowed by Titan V. The power of Nvidia for you.

I personally doubt the slide is correct. That kind of performance for so little money just shouldn't exist. It's far too good to be true. Anyone remember the early reports of Ryzen being able to hit 5Ghz on air? (https://wccftech.com/ryzen-overclocks-cpchardware-5ghz-on-air-tease/) ;)

NeverBackDown
10-12-17, 05:17 PM
Not sure why you guys are expecting much from a refresh.

WYP
10-12-17, 05:18 PM
As far as the Ryzne 2800X rumours go, I can only conclude that they are fake.

The first media mention is on KitGuru and they never mentioned it in an article, only in a video.

The real source is from over a month ago on reddit at r/AyyMD, a satirical subreddit that does nothing but make fun of AMD fanboys and other tech companies.

Also remember that 12nm is just 14nm+, with expected 10% performance improvements with the same power consumption or a 15% power reduction with the same performance over 14nm and a minor increase in circuit density. That does not leave room for 4 more cores and eight extra threads.

AngryGoldfish
10-12-17, 05:23 PM
As far as the Ryzne 2800X rumours go, I can only conclude that they are fake.

The first media mention is on KitGuru and they never mentioned it in an article, only in a video.

The real source is from over a month ago on reddit at r/AyyMD, a satirical subreddit that does nothing but make fun of AMD fanboys and other tech companies.

Also remember that 12nm is just 14nm+, with expected 10% performance improvements with the same power consumption or a 15% power reduction with the same performance over 14nm and a minor increase in circuit density. That does not leave room for 4 more cores and eight extra threads.

Yep, pretty much. KitGuru only mentioning it briefly in a YouTube video sent alarm bells flying. Plus it would honestly be ridiculous performance and would actually nullify AMD's own Threadripper range, which is still quite new to the market. Like other 'leaks' we've seen in the past we all salivate over, they're pipe dreams of products that don't exist.

Dicehunter
10-12-17, 05:35 PM
Not sure why you guys are expecting much from a refresh.

If the 12 core part is correct then I'm expecting performance in multi threaded workloads to scale, I'm only expecting a minor IPS increase, Nothing drastic.

NeverBackDown
10-12-17, 06:31 PM
If the 12 core part is correct then I'm expecting performance in multi threaded workloads to scale, I'm only expecting a minor IPS increase, Nothing drastic.

Don't expect anymore cores. Just expect a refresh on a smaller node. Nothing crazy is going to happen. Just a small IPC and efficiency increase with a possibility of higher clocks.

AlienALX
10-12-17, 07:14 PM
Not sure why you guys are expecting much from a refresh.

Maxwell - Pascal.

There are two reasons why Ryzen is "stuck" at around 4ghz. Either it was deliberate, or, it was down to bad manufacturing. Probably because they were in a rush and so on. Yes, it is quite crazy to expect 5ghz but it should be massively improved upon. Ryzen was the very first Zen. As such you are going to have teething problems etc.

I know the rumours are probably fake but it is all very plausible. Firstly because if AMD are selling a certain sized lump of silicon now for the prices they are (IE Ryzen) then there is no reason at all why they could not sell the same sized lump of silicon with 12 cores fitted onto it (due to the die shrink) for the same price. They would still make the same amount of money per die they are making now. So that is plausible also.

As for the clock speed? again, if the initial burp was down to bad manufacturing that too is also plausible.

Lisa Su said that Ryzen was pretty cheap to make. Hence why they have been giving out 8 core CPUs as dual core + HT CPUs. It's all the same size lump of glass, basically (well, silicon, but you know what I mean).

Time will tell I guess. As for whether AMD could offer that much performance for the money? well, they already have. Ryzen 1 compared to Intel was about half the price, if that. What was the 1700 launch price? £380? something like that? or less? well the 5960x was a grand or more.

So nothing would surprise me that much tbh. AMD proved near on every one wrong (including Intel who flew into a panic) so nothing that happens from now on would surprise me that much.

If the 12 core part is correct then I'm expecting performance in multi threaded workloads to scale, I'm only expecting a minor IPS increase, Nothing drastic.

I think a lot of people need to realise that Zen is not Intel. IE - when Intel shrunk Sandy to Ivy and only got 7% or so that does not mean Zen will be the same. Look at the improvements between Maxwell and Pascal, for example. And yeah I know Pascal is not a CPU but that doesn't matter. It was still the same technology shrunk.

Fact is dude? I ain't got a bloody clue what will happen to Ryzen when they shrink it, and possibly "fix" the 4ghz issue. No one does.

AngryGoldfish
10-12-17, 07:41 PM
Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't. GF's new 12nm is indeed said to be very efficient, but I don't see why they'll add additional cores when it's mostly clock speed that was holding back Ryzen.

Ultimately we don't need 12 cores on the mainstream platform. We don't even need 5Ghz. AMD could be conservative like they were with Ryzen (assumedly) and aim for a 4Ghz base and 4.5Ghz boost and still do really well. Good silicon might be able to overclock on all cores to 4.6Ghz. That's a worthy upgrade for those on an R5 1600. I know I'd strongly consider an 8-core 4.6Ghz R7 2700 over my 4Ghz 6-core 1600X. The beauty of Ryzen was that it offered great performance at every level, from the enthusiast (6900K) to the more budget conscious (7350K). It gave people an upgrade path. Intel never really offered that. If you wanted more cores then you had to switch platform.

A more apt comparison would be Haswell to Devil's Canyon. Intel simply improved the manufacturing process. No, it wasn't a die shrink, but technically 14nm to 12nm isn't much of a die shrink either.

Also, if a 12c/24t CPU is released in three months time for $450, what on earth is Zen 2 in 2019 going to bring? Where do you go from there? You've already got a CPU so powerful that it would dwarf everything. If there's going to be a 12c/24t CPU coming to the mainstream market, it'll be with Zen 2 and won't clock to 5.1Ghz and it won't cost $450. That's my 2c.

NeverBackDown
10-12-17, 08:02 PM
Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't.

Basically this. Was also why I didn't even bother to reply. Alien seems to have a 10,000 word response for everything lately. I don't have the attention span for that.

Warchild
11-12-17, 08:33 AM
Basically this. Was also why I didn't even bother to reply. Alien seems to have a 10,000 word response for everything lately. I don't have the attention span for that.

tl;dr needs to be a mandatory feature for all posts over 300 chars :)

AlienALX
11-12-17, 08:46 AM
Maxwell to Pascal really can't be compared. Nvidia spent millions (supposedly billions) increasing the efficiency of their architecture, something AMD does not have the capital to do. Nvidia went from an ageing 28nm to a very efficient 16nm. And despite what we've seen, Pascal is a new architecture. However you want to look at it, it is still a new architecture and Ryzen 2 isn't. GF's new 12nm is indeed said to be very efficient, but I don't see why they'll add additional cores when it's mostly clock speed that was holding back Ryzen.

Ultimately we don't need 12 cores on the mainstream platform. We don't even need 5Ghz. AMD could be conservative like they were with Ryzen (assumedly) and aim for a 4Ghz base and 4.5Ghz boost and still do really well. Good silicon might be able to overclock on all cores to 4.6Ghz. That's a worthy upgrade for those on an R5 1600. I know I'd strongly consider an 8-core 4.6Ghz R7 2700 over my 4Ghz 6-core 1600X. The beauty of Ryzen was that it offered great performance at every level, from the enthusiast (6900K) to the more budget conscious (7350K). It gave people an upgrade path. Intel never really offered that. If you wanted more cores then you had to switch platform.

A more apt comparison would be Haswell to Devil's Canyon. Intel simply improved the manufacturing process. No, it wasn't a die shrink, but technically 14nm to 12nm isn't much of a die shrink either.

Also, if a 12c/24t CPU is released in three months time for $450, what on earth is Zen 2 in 2019 going to bring? Where do you go from there? You've already got a CPU so powerful that it would dwarf everything. If there's going to be a 12c/24t CPU coming to the mainstream market, it'll be with Zen 2 and won't clock to 5.1Ghz and it won't cost $450. That's my 2c.

TBH man we didn't really need 8 yet, but it is nice to have :)

Guys - apologies for the verbal diarrhoea. Something isn't right with these new anti depressants I am on. I just feel confused all of the time, and thus I am going mental trying to explain things I could normally explain very quickly.

Am going to phone the shrink today. Other day I fell over face first into a pile of bikes in the hall so something has to be done. I wasn't even looking where I was going.

AngryGoldfish
11-12-17, 11:42 AM
I don't think you should have to apologise for explaining yourself. I enjoy reading your posts.

AlienALX
11-12-17, 11:54 AM
I don't think you should have to apologise for explaining yourself. I enjoy reading your posts.

I'm not feeling right mate. I really just am not. I feel so bloody foggy all of the time. Maybe it is because I am trying to actually do stuff, yet am being severely limited by all of the anti psychotics. It is fine when I do nothing but yeah, how any one with Bipolar actually bloody functions on all of this junk is a mystery.

I want to try and come off the Venlaflaxine soon. I am pretty sure that is the cause.

The other day I was walking down my hallway not even looking where I was going. Walked straight into two bikes, then fell over them face first and got a black eye from the grip end. Could have bloody blinded me. Thing is these two bikes are not even on the path of the hallway. They are tucked under the stair case ffs.

I gotta stop with the physical hobbies tbh.

AngryGoldfish
11-12-17, 12:08 PM
Medication can be a blessing and a curse. I've spoken to so many who have been 'zombified' or turned into someone they are not with medication. Fortunately I've never experienced that. I'm a loser with meds and a loser without. :p

SPS
14-12-17, 07:46 AM
Interesting..

Crytek Sues Star Citizen Makers For Breaching Contract (https://kotaku.com/crytek-sues-star-citizen-makers-for-breaching-contract-1821269577)

NeverBackDown
14-12-17, 08:03 AM
Sharing code?

It's a free Engine... Don't see how that claim works. The others are something else worth looking into

SPS
14-12-17, 09:28 AM
Sharing code?

It's a free Engine... Don't see how that claim works. The others are something else worth looking into

Well it must have been licensed code or IP that's not included in the engine.

Tripp
14-12-17, 11:26 AM
I want to try and come off the Venlaflaxine soon. I am pretty sure that is the cause.





I'm bipolar myself dude, and in my personal opinion the best thing I ever did was get off Venlaflaxine. hell I steer clear of all anti depressants was told to by the doc who diagnosed me to, I know everyone's different and what works for me might not for you, but bare it in mind dude. Hope you feel better soon mate

Cigarjohn
15-12-17, 05:01 AM
I'm totally confused here? I don't know what you guys want when it comes to news articles. I don't want to write an article that may result in some type of plagiarism.

Say for example Intel Chipsets. Do I read someone else's article on the latest news and revise it? I might as well just post links to the website so others can just read it for themselves. It's like Tom Logan writing a new article. Then I just revise it and submit it as new news when in fact it's old news cause he already did it. I'm just re-wording it.

Plus there's people already beating me to the punch line. I just saw an article on Qualcomms new battery life compared to Intel's battery life 10 minutes ago while writing this reply. So If I write about it here, it's close to 20 minutes old and someone has already reported on it. All I can do is revise it and give a link to where I got the source from.

I'm just confused on what type of a writer you are looking for. I don't like copying others reviews or news. Unless I can talk to Intel personally and be the first to report on their latest news. Then it's not plagiarism. But I'm sure they have their sources already picked out.

Excalabur50
19-12-17, 04:53 AM
Well it seems that the new AMD CPU's will be launching Q1 of 2018 and Asus already have on their website the 3008 BIOS for the new AMD CPU's Eg. https://www.asus.com/au/Motherboards/ROG-CROSSHAIR-VI-HERO/HelpDesk_Download/

https://i.imgur.com/wAvwXZ4.png

NeverBackDown
19-12-17, 05:09 AM
Could still be APUs.

Excalabur50
19-12-17, 05:46 AM
Could still be APUs.

Nope it's for Ryzen+ and the APU's I just can find the info ATM as I'm having some issues but it has been announced on GN and RGT

NeverBackDown
19-12-17, 02:22 PM
Total War announces Rise of the Tomb Kings
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tomb-kings-announcement

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1s&v=IpWqKme-g_4

https://store.steampowered.com/app/617870

WYP
19-12-17, 07:18 PM
Total War announces Rise of the Tomb Kings
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tomb-kings-announcement

https://m.youtube.com/watch?t=1s&v=IpWqKme-g_4

https://store.steampowered.com/app/617870

I am very excited about this. Shame that by then I will probably have had my fill of Warhammer II for a while.

My current Mortal Empires Campaign only as two races left. The Dwarves are taking the world by storm and own almost 100% of the map. The Orcs, Undead, Chaos, Bretonians, Norsemen, Empire, Wood Elves and Dark Elves have already been wiped out. Only the Lizardmen and High Elves (Almost gone) remain.

NeverBackDown
19-12-17, 10:00 PM
Yeah I've already gotten over TW. I've done everything I've wanted. And the DLC seems really expensive.

Excalabur50
23-12-17, 04:05 AM
Star Citizen Alpha 3.0 goes live tomorrow

Dark NighT
23-12-17, 08:56 AM
Played the ptu already, it is so so so much better and it looks fantastic.

looz
04-01-18, 12:06 AM
https://meltdownattack.com/

Decent page regarding the recently discovered vulnerabilities.

AlienALX
04-01-18, 12:19 PM
Meltdown is the Intel one that will bugger it. Spectre is the one that affects all, but apparently has hardly any performance impact.

looz
04-01-18, 12:37 PM
You won't see a performance impact unless you're running a database server.

AlienALX
05-01-18, 08:27 PM
http://www.legitreviews.com/fallout-4-new-vegas-mod-brings-classic-game-modern-engine_201407

g0ggles1994
05-01-18, 08:41 PM
Civilization VI is on next month's Humble Monthly. Which I would say is an absolute bargain considering it was still £25 a few days ago on the Steam sale

https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly

NeverBackDown
05-01-18, 11:43 PM
Civilization VI is on next month's Humble Monthly. Which I would say is an absolute bargain considering it was still £25 a few days ago on the Steam sale

https://www.humblebundle.com/monthly

Civ 5 is far more fun. And you can get that even cheaper. Civ 6 is boring and the AI is worse which is actually an achievement!

looz
06-01-18, 03:10 AM
Why Raspberry Pi is not vulnerable to spectre and meltdown, along with nicest explanation of the vulnerability so far:

https://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/why-raspberry-pi-isnt-vulnerable-to-spectre-or-meltdown/

AlienALX
06-01-18, 11:53 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSI6N6RKd5A&t=131s

And so it continues. So not only does CL boost to speeds it shouldn't be (IE what is said on paper) but it also throttles to a different TDP after 15 seconds. So basically for 15 seconds it clocks to 4.3ghz, then drops to 3.7 to meet the TDP.

"Pulling about every trick you can" comes to mind.

https://i.imgur.com/ekCKNBo.png

Taken directly from Intel's own info.

https://i.imgur.com/zaf8LnD.png

Or to those that don't understand this. What this basically means is that the 8700 for example will run at different power levels (or clocks) depending on where it resides. So if it is in a HEDT board like a Asus for example you can probably disable it and the TDP. However, in other rigs like that one in the video the OEM can decide where to set it. So you could see a 1ghz discrepancy. So basically you go to Linus, watch a "review"of the 8700, decide it's the CPU for your new rig then you buy a pre built and... Absolutely nothing like it was when "advertised". Noting that I have replaced the word "reviewed" with "advertised" because we all know that Coffee Lake was boosting beyond spec in the initial "reviews" we got of it and thus is not as good as people think it is.

looz
06-01-18, 12:39 PM
So is this a Coffee Lake Con or a motherboard/system manufacturer con? Intel does list the specs clearly on their website, as in single core Turbo frequency and baseline frequency.

Multicore Enhancement isn't Intel technology. It's an automatic overclock, and along with it TDP goes out of the window.

Reviewers are at fault if they report MCE results - and good reviewers make it clear what MCE does, like TTL.

Here's the competition "pulling every trick they can":
https://i.imgur.com/cbFpcoc.jpg

AlienALX
06-01-18, 12:52 PM
Yes, the specs are clearly listed. However, they are not clearly explained by any one.

The 8700 has a base clock of 2.8ghz. Depending where it is and what you are doing with it it can boost as high as 4.8ghz for X seconds (10, IIRC) or even as little as a few milliseconds.

So, depending on where your 8700 may be (despite the reviews you read (bent) ) you could see a 2ghz difference, depending on the OEM, board and etc.

So basically all of these "reviews" that we see are all BS. What they really are are glorified advertisements, in the best possible scenario (see also : Coffee Lake Conjob video 1) and we are being screwed.

As for AMD? can you please stop that? seriously? Allow me to explain why.

All you are doing is making yourself look like a deluded fanboy/girl without addressing the actual issues. This is the third time some one has thrown me an AMD shaped curve ball in the past two days when I am complaining directly about something with Intel, not AMD. And the more you keep throwing these curve balls the more you distract from the actual problem at hand.

Honestly, it's almost like Intel have their own bots and droids out there making all of their bad behaviour vanish.

So instead of just jumping in feet first with "AMD TOO !" please discuss the matter at hand.

If you think this problem is anywhere even remotely near as bad as the CL problem? then discuss it, but not as a defence strategy.

The fact is that people who game on PCs are going to get ripped off, and all you can do is drag AMD into it too.

looz
06-01-18, 01:03 PM
Poor thermal and VRM design by OEMs is absolutely nothing new - throttling is commonplace in budget market PCs. The worst accusation here is making room for inadequate cooling in spec.

And yeah I do drag AMD here, though their largest turbo variance seems to be 3.0 to 3.7, which is nowhere near as drastic. And all the reviewers use adequate motherboards, airflow and coolers, so yeah of course it also reaches the 3.7 despite staying at 3.0 or even throttling when slammed to the cheapest OEM motherboard with a lowest end cooler they could get away with.

Eddie long
06-01-18, 01:24 PM
Interesting video , on a different perspective , which is always good

AngryGoldfish
06-01-18, 01:29 PM
Intel's boost clocks are far stronger and far more dependent on factors unknown to many casual PC users. The 1800X boosts to a maximum of 4.1Ghz on a single core. That's the CPU's max rated speed for a single core. It is dependent on many external factors of which AMD have been quite upfront about. They discussed at length what XFR was and how it would work, and the tech press have shown it to be not that beneficial for a lot of users. Most reviewers would suggest an R7 1700 or R5 1600 over the X equivalent and simply applying your own overclocks, which even the stock coolers are capable of handling.

The i7-8700 on the other hand has relied on reviewers who have allowed the CPU to boost significantly higher than the TDP allows and not specified it. The same applies to the i5-8400. I personally don't see it as being as big of an issue as others as the processors even under less than ideal circumstances (OEM builds with poor cooling) still perform well in most situations, but the point remains: Coffee Lake has been shown to have a somewhat unrealistically commanding position in gaming and other single-threaded workloads, to the point of some reviewers suggesting the 'K' SKUs should be "ignored (https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i5-8400-review-benchmarks)".

The i5-8400 is rated to boost to 4Ghz on one core and 3.8Ghz on all four cores when under the right circumstances, but it can boost higher if the motherboard tells it to. The same applies to the 8700 which can overclock itself with the right motherboard to a whopping 4.6Ghz or more. This is way above Ryzen, but the base clocks are actually lower in some cases. That's a huge increase. Compare that to the R5 1600 which has a base clock of 3.2Ghz and a max boost of 3.6Ghz irrelevant of the motherboard and even with the stock cooler (as long as it's the stock one or above).

To me, this is a reviewer's issue. Intel's boosting works similar to Nvidia's GPU Boost 3.0. When the tech press review a GPU, they always (or should if they are worth the bandwidth they use) display the clock speed over time. When a reviewer doesn't list the 8700 boosting to 4.6Ghz in a game that doesn't care about core/thread count, and that clock speed cannot be achieved by the majority of users, that's not accurate representation. Just like I don't think a lot of graphics card reviewers show accurate results these days, including TTL. They refuse to update their graphs with modern drivers taken into account. That is misrepresenting actual performance.

AlienALX
06-01-18, 01:56 PM
Poor thermal and VRM design by OEMs is absolutely nothing new - throttling is commonplace in budget market PCs. The worst accusation here is making room for inadequate cooling in spec.

And yeah I do drag AMD here, though their largest turbo variance seems to be 3.0 to 3.7, which is nowhere near as drastic. And all the reviewers use adequate motherboards, airflow and coolers, so yeah of course it also reaches the 3.7 despite staying at 3.0 or even throttling when slammed to the cheapest OEM motherboard with a lowest end cooler they could get away with.

My issue is not with the specs. I think you miss my point. My issue is that none of the spec is being openly discussed and pointed out by the "reviewing" industry (AKA advertising).

If Linus, Jay and etc (not Tom, not bringing him into this) all explained it and pointed it out we'd be much better off. Fact is you would be better off with a Ryzen 1700 based rig, as it would not drop below 3ghz and therefore if you are going bone stock it would be the much better choice.

But we're not, are we? no. Instead we are not being told this and to that ends some poor sod is going to end up with a rig that he thought could do 140 FPS in Crysis 3 only to find it does about half of that.

So the problem is not the product, it's the false advertising "best case scenario but we are not going to explain that to you" part of the product. I explained this elsewhere about my experience with an EK Coolstream radiator. It was bloody awful. Yet no one had actually said that.

Intel's boost clocks are far stronger and far more dependent on factors unknown to many casual PC users. The 1800X boosts to a maximum of 4.1Ghz on a single core. That's the CPU's max rated speed for a single core. It is dependent on many external factors of which AMD have been quite upfront about. They discussed at length what XFR was and how it would work, and the tech press have shown it to be not that beneficial for a lot of users. Most reviewers would suggest an R7 1700 or R5 1600 over the X equivalent and simply applying your own overclocks, which even the stock coolers are capable of handling.

The i7-8700 on the other hand has relied on reviewers who have allowed the CPU to boost significantly higher than the TDP allows and not specified it. The same applies to the i5-8400. I personally don't see it as being as big of an issue as others as the processors even under less than ideal circumstances (OEM builds with poor cooling) still perform well in most situations, but the point remains: Coffee Lake has been shown to have a somewhat unrealistically commanding position in gaming and other single-threaded workloads, to the point of some reviewers suggesting the 'K' SKUs should be "ignored (https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel-core-i5-8400-review-benchmarks)".

The i5-8400 is rated to boost to 4Ghz on one core and 3.8Ghz on all four cores when under the right circumstances, but it can boost higher if the motherboard tells it to. The same applies to the 8700 which can overclock itself with the right motherboard to a whopping 4.6Ghz or more. This is way above Ryzen, but the base clocks are actually lower in some cases. That's a huge increase. Compare that to the R5 1600 which has a base clock of 3.2Ghz and a max boost of 3.6Ghz irrelevant of the motherboard and even with the stock cooler (as long as it's the stock one or above).

To me, this is a reviewer's issue. Intel's boosting works similar to Nvidia's GPU Boost 3.0. When the tech press review a GPU, they always (or should if they are worth the bandwidth they use) display the clock speed over time. When a reviewer doesn't list the 8700 boosting to 4.6Ghz in a game that doesn't care about core/thread count, and that clock speed cannot be achieved by the majority of users, that's not accurate representation. Just like I don't think a lot of graphics card reviewers show accurate results these days, including TTL. They refuse to update their graphs with modern drivers taken into account. That is misrepresenting actual performance.

Spot on fella. AMD were more than revealing and up front with their processors and how they worked. In fact, they even made videos showing you how they worked, what speeds to expect and how to OC using Wattman.

So we all knew from day one what to expect from Ryzen. As you say, Tom explained it all perfectly. Only because AMD had given him that info, and not hidden it in the specs and small print.

My issue is not that a 8700 can sometimes in worst case scenarios only run at 2.8ghz depending on the silicon, your board, your PSU and so on. My issue is that we are not being told and having it all explained to us that sometimes the 8700 can end up being far worse than a stock 1700.

You know, at one point a few weeks ago my mate was looking for a rig for his cousin. Ironically the two rigs that ended up on the short list from a really bloody long one were both HP Omens. One had a 1700, the other an 8700. Now I can't remember for the life of me why I decided to push him to get the AMD. I kinda knew it wasn't going to be as good at gaming (it did have a slightly better GPU, though) but hey, all's well that ends well I guess.

Because that Ryzen rig is guaranteed to run 300mhz or so faster even in the worst case scenario.

Intel are just making it all incredibly complex, and giving themselves the means to shovel off shoddy silicon. I bet most of it will end up in the hands of OEMs like HP, too, who will get OEM trays of the things.

The same trays that 8 Pack basically lives on. He will take each and every single one of those CPUs and then mark it and categorise it into what it can do. And then we will pay more for it.

looz
06-01-18, 02:33 PM
My issue is not with the specs. I think you miss my point. My issue is that none of the spec is being openly discussed and pointed out by the "reviewing" industry (AKA advertising).

If Linus, Jay and etc (not Tom, not bringing him into this) all explained it and pointed it out we'd be much better off. Fact is you would be better off with a Ryzen 1700 based rig, as it would not drop below 3ghz and therefore if you are going bone stock it would be the much better choice.

But we're not, are we? no. Instead we are not being told this and to that ends some poor sod is going to end up with a rig that he thought could do 140 FPS in Crysis 3 only to find it does about half of that.That's fair enough then, I also agree that reviewers should be more open, though I should watch Linus' and Jay's review on the lower end chips to be certain. If they leave motherboard's overclock in, they should clearly state so.

But 1700 is such a poor example, since the base clock for it is 3.0GHz, which makes it perform worse for gaming than Coffee Lake at 2.8... But like 1600X? Yeah, why not. But 1700 and 8700 both are poor choices for a gaming only rig.

AngryGoldfish
06-01-18, 02:42 PM
I think the i7-8700 or R7 1700 are perfectly fine for gaming only. The 8600K and 1600X would be better value for money, but I wouldn't consider them poor choices for strictly gaming.

AlienALX
06-01-18, 02:42 PM
That's fair enough then, I also agree that reviewers should be more open, though I should watch Linus' and Jay's review on the lower end chips to be certain. If they leave motherboard's overclock in, they should clearly state so.

But 1700 is such a poor example, since the base clock for it is 3.0GHz, which makes it perform worse for gaming than Coffee Lake at 2.8... But like 1600X? Yeah, why not. But 1700 and 8700 both are poor choices for a gaming only rig.

How do you know that Coffee Lake performs better at 2.8ghz than Ryzen @ 3? have you seen this benchmarked? have you got the results?

I would strongly imagine that Ryzen would easily surpass the 8700 at those speeds where anything remotely threaded is involved. Problem is I don't have those benchmarks and I don't have the results because there are none.

With Ryzen we got the stock and overclocked results. With the 8700? all I have seen are best case scenarios. Not a single "stock" result.

This goes all the way back to the Core 2 Duo. I read a review, and it clearly stated that "it's so easy to make a 1.8ghz CPU run at 3ghz. All you do is up the FSB to 333mhz and there you are, 80% overclock !!!11oneone".

So I thought "S**t man, I am having me some of that !" and ordered the same board they used with the same CPU. However, what they were not forthcoming about is that you needed 1066 DDR2 in order to perform this overclock, and by the time you had bought and paid for that you could have bought a 3ghz model, that would run faster because of course it will OC too.

So I ended up at 2.5ghz max. I wasn't best pleased.

So this crap has been going on for years and years. IE - making things look much better than they really are. But at least with AMD we know what we are getting and what you need to get the best performance. Otherwise? look elsewhere.

NeverBackDown
06-01-18, 05:14 PM
Not even an issue. You'll OC the chip anyway so who cares. It's not like you aren't raising the TDP yourself

AlienALX
06-01-18, 05:16 PM
Not even an issue. You'll OC the chip anyway so who cares. It's not like you aren't raising the TDP yourself

8700 and OC. Please, tell me more...


:D

It's locked, dude.

looz
06-01-18, 05:22 PM
Locked to not go higher than 46 multiplier. You can certainly ensure it stays at 4.6 with all cores, and maybe even up the base clock.

And yeah, 1700 is fine for gaming if you overclock it. But we were discussing clueless customers who'd buy a market PC ;)

NeverBackDown
06-01-18, 05:48 PM
8700 and OC. Please, tell me more...


:D

It's locked, dude.

You can still adjust base clock iirc.

Either way it's irrelevant. It has no bearing on anything and it's still the fastest chip out there for gaming.

AlienALX
06-01-18, 05:51 PM
You can still adjust base clock iirc.

Either way it's irrelevant. It has no bearing on anything and it's still the fastest chip out there for gaming.

Watch the video.

It wouldn't be so fast at 3.6ghz for example. Or 2.8 worst case scenario. It sounds like you've fallen for the trick. It's only the fastest gaming CPU at 4.6ghz.

For those that fancy jumping in before they watch the video. Firstly all of the facts come from Intel themselves, they are all in the small print.

Fact - they will only guarantee the base clock of 2.8ghz. This way they can sell s**t silicon to OEMs and only have to worry about the base clock.

Fact - there are, from what I understand, four different levels of boost depending on the motherboard, phases, power supply and etc. This means that you basically have four DIFFERENT CPUs at the very least, depending upon where they reside.

Fact - it is only the fastest gaming CPU at the clocks it was reviewed at on Youtube. Drop those down by up to 2ghz? it would be a hunk of trash.

The problem here is not the CPU or the specs. It is the fact that we are not being told about it by reviewers, who just so happen to have them in top end expensive motherboards that boost to the full and even add artificial boosts to those boosts to make them look far better than they are.

IE - if you bought a rig with a 8700 in it it could range from total s**t to exceptional, but it will literally perform completely differently depending on where it is. And this is a HUGE con.

NeverBackDown
06-01-18, 07:28 PM
IE - if you bought a rig with a 8700 in it it could range from total s**t to exceptional, but it will literally perform completely differently depending on where it is. And this is a HUGE con.

You can argue all you want. It doesn't change the fact that gamers will choose to buy the 8700k over the 8700.

For those that don't they still get a great experience. You're basically arguing over the difference between COD games, ie, virtually nothing.

AlienALX
06-01-18, 07:31 PM
You can argue all you want. It doesn't change the fact that gamers will choose to buy the 8700k over the 8700.

For those that don't they still get a great experience. You're basically arguing over the difference between COD games, ie, virtually nothing.

Well I just hope people buy the K over the other one. Because if they bought a OEM rig with an 8700 in it thinking they would get the same performance they saw in a review they would be sorely mistaken.

AngryGoldfish
06-01-18, 07:33 PM
https://i.imgflip.com/228m8l.jpg (https://imgflip.com/i/228m8l)

NeverBackDown
06-01-18, 08:11 PM
Well I just hope people buy the K over the other one. Because if they bought a OEM rig with an 8700 in it thinking they would get the same performance they saw in a review they would be sorely mistaken.

its cheaper and locked. you should know its lower performance

AlienALX
06-01-18, 08:32 PM
its cheaper and locked. you should know its lower performance

But you don't. That's the problem. And you don't because no one has explained it to you. All you have seen is the 8700 non K bashing out benchmarks performing better than any AMD CPU so you automatically go and buy one.

I think sometimes you take for granted how much knowledge you have. "Normal" ordinary people don't know as much as we do.

We all knew Ryzen inside out within a week. We knew it didn't work well with certain memory, performed better with faster memory, what its clocks were and etc. And we knew that because the information was forthcoming.

looz
06-01-18, 08:38 PM
Actually, where is this 2.8GHz i7-8700? 2.8GHz is the base of i5-8600, 8700 has a base frequency of 3.2GHz.

NeverBackDown
06-01-18, 08:52 PM
But you don't. That's the problem. And you don't because no one has explained it to you. All you have seen is the 8700 non K bashing out benchmarks performing better than any AMD CPU so you automatically go and buy one.

I think sometimes you take for granted how much knowledge you have. "Normal" ordinary people don't know as much as we do.

We all knew Ryzen inside out within a week. We knew it didn't work well with certain memory, performed better with faster memory, what its clocks were and etc. And we knew that because the information was forthcoming.

If you don't know it's slower thats on you. Just look at the spec sheet. Not much intelligence needed to read numbers.

Korreborg
06-01-18, 09:31 PM
But you don't. That's the problem. And you don't because no one has explained it to you. All you have seen is the 8700 non K bashing out benchmarks performing better than any AMD CPU so you automatically go and buy one.

I just wasted 20min of my life watching the video.
Went to Youtube, search for "Intel i7 8700"
Scrolled the first couple of hundred hits. 3 videos about 8700 non-k
Where is the "all you have seen"???

I get the point. They should openly tell whats going on.
But it's Aldi that's the problem, not Intel. They make the crappy PC. It's probably because of a underdimensioned VRM design.

If the CPU's were THAT bad, there would be videos or forum post of people complaining.
I agree in AdoredTV has a point, but as i see it, he is trying to make a storm that's not there. But it would be fun to se a test of a 8700 in the most crappy MB out there.

AlienALX
06-01-18, 09:33 PM
I just wasted 20min of my life watching the video.
Went to Youtube, search for "Intel i7 8700"
Scrolled the first couple of hundred hits. 3 videos about 8700 non-k
Where is the "all you have seen"???

I get the point. They should openly tell whats going on.
But it's Aldi that's the problem, not Intel. They make the crappy PC. It's probably because of a underdimensioned VRM design.

If the CPU's were THAT bad, there would be videos or forum post of people complaining.
I agree in AdoredTV has a point, but as i see it, he is trying to make a storm that's not there. But it would be fun to se a test of a 8700 in the most crappy MB out there.

He is trying to make a storm that is there. Only in this day and age people are quite happy to get conned and screwed over without complaining about it.

That's just the way the world is now. Resistance is futile, let's just all be a big bunch of pussies and have done with it.

Korreborg
06-01-18, 09:55 PM
Intel leaves it up to the MB manufacturers to decide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5EIGp_o1BU
I don't know the language, but it's the best i can find. It runs 4300 all day in the right board.

Damien c
07-01-18, 11:30 AM
This whole thing makes me laugh.

I normally don't watch the video's by that guy because he is such a blatant AMD fanboy it's just ridiculous.

I mean he is saying Intel are conning people because the CPU's don't maintain a certain speed which they don't advertise it at, but because it's capable of different speeds it has to run at those speed's all the time, regardless of the fact that the motherboard and cooler used are not sufficient to do it, but doesn't call AMD out on the same thing with there XFR tech on the Ryzen CPU's.

If companies such as HP, Asus etc don't put a decent cooler on the CPU then of course the CPU is not going to be able to maintain a certain speed, and it doesn't matter who makes the CPU, that will be the case for all of them, but with a decent cooler they maintain the speed.

Then of course we have motherboard manufacturers who put in there own safety limits so as to not burn the board out, or kill the cpu but of course that is Intel's fault not the board manufacturers fault.

When I worked for a certain ISP, I got a call one day and was asked to look at a person's computer for them, because they were saying they could only get 54Mbp/s from there broadband, and they were paying for 100Mbp/s.

I got the pc and looked and sure enough they were only getting a maximum of 54Mbp/s download speeds, now I plugged in the pc directly to the modem and hey presto they got 100Mbp/s no problem.

Now that person accused me of trying to trick him, because apparently I had hacked the Speedtest website to show a different speed, until I told him that the reason that he could only get 54Mbp/s was because he had a 54Mbp/s wireless card so it didn't matter what speed his internet was he would only, ever get a maximum of 54Mbp/s because that is the maximum the card could do, but the broadband could do more.

Now that is not the fault of the ISP's that he couldn't get his full speed with the equipment he wanted to use, it was down to the equipment he wanted to use, but if he changed the wireless card which I told him to do he would get what he was paying for.

It is the same case for that pc, change the cooler and possibly the motherboard and the CPU will do more, but leave it as it is and it will only do what it is currently doing, because that is what it think's is safe to do.

AlienALX
07-01-18, 11:48 AM
This whole thing makes me laugh.

I normally don't watch the video's by that guy because he is such a blatant AMD fanboy it's just ridiculous.

I mean he is saying Intel are conning people because the CPU's don't maintain a certain speed which they don't advertise it at, but because it's capable of different speeds it has to run at those speed's all the time, regardless of the fact that the motherboard and cooler used are not sufficient to do it, but doesn't call AMD out on the same thing with there XFR tech on the Ryzen CPU's.

If companies such as HP, Asus etc don't put a decent cooler on the CPU then of course the CPU is not going to be able to maintain a certain speed, and it doesn't matter who makes the CPU, that will be the case for all of them, but with a decent cooler they maintain the speed.

Then of course we have motherboard manufacturers who put in there own safety limits so as to not burn the board out, or kill the cpu but of course that is Intel's fault not the board manufacturers fault.

When I worked for a certain ISP, I got a call one day and was asked to look at a person's computer for them, because they were saying they could only get 54Mbp/s from there broadband, and they were paying for 100Mbp/s.

I got the pc and looked and sure enough they were only getting a maximum of 54Mbp/s download speeds, now I plugged in the pc directly to the modem and hey presto they got 100Mbp/s no problem.

Now that person accused me of trying to trick him, because apparently I had hacked the Speedtest website to show a different speed, until I told him that the reason that he could only get 54Mbp/s was because he had a 54Mbp/s wireless card so it didn't matter what speed his internet was he would only, ever get a maximum of 54Mbp/s because that is the maximum the card could do, but the broadband could do more.

Now that is not the fault of the ISP's that he couldn't get his full speed with the equipment he wanted to use, it was down to the equipment he wanted to use, but if he changed the wireless card which I told him to do he would get what he was paying for.

It is the same case for that pc, change the cooler and possibly the motherboard and the CPU will do more, but leave it as it is and it will only do what it is currently doing, because that is what it think's is safe to do.


Networking is a bad analogy. There are tons of variables. The 8700 is one CPU. And, it should have been designed to boost to the same speed no matter where it is. And it's as simple as that.

Or, it should be explained. Properly.

BTW I want to mention the AMD fanboy comment. You do realise this is the guy who met AMD in Sweden and gave them a hammering, right?

You can't accuse somebody who spends his life posting facts of being a fanboy. Maybe you should digest some of those facts, and see the wood for the trees dude. This is a crap industry. Everything we see is all amazing, the best etc. It's only really GN and Adored that dare to say different.

I've bought so many PC parts and products now that all had no negative comments against them, yet in the cold light of day (literally, without all of the high end cameras making things look better than they do IRL) they were crap.

Damien c
07-01-18, 12:42 PM
I'm sorry but the cpu is doing what it was designed to do, it's running at certain speed and just because it's capable of more with sufficient hardware attached to it, doesn't mean it should run at that regardless of what hardware is attached.

Don't get me wrong Intel are not angel's in the slightest, I wouldn't have had to void my warranty on my 7700K if they had done there jobs properly.


This is the problem, plain and simple people look for something to complain about, they find something regardless of whether it's a legit complaint or not and just complain hoping people will agree with them.

This guy is trying to make a storm where there shouldn't be, it's not Intel's fault that "Medion" decided to use an insufficient cooler and possibly motherboard and power supply in the pc that they sell.

Based of what he said, which to me sound's like system builders choose what speed's the CPU's will turbo to, based of the cooling and power capability of the hardware, how is it Intel's fault that the CPU does not boost to a figure that they do not state because the system builder decided that it should only go to speed "X"?

If I'm wrong then fine I'm wrong, but honestly I don't believe I am.

Intel should not be blamed for a CPU not hitting certain speed's that they don't advertise for a CPU, because a system builder has chosen to put insufficient hardware with the CPU to allow the full speed of the CPU to be used.

The same goes for AMD, they should not be blamed for someone building and selling a pc with poor cooling, power and slower ram than the CPU need's in order to perform to 100% of it's capabilities.

That is the case here, Medion are selling a pc that does not have what the CPU need's to perform at it's best, that is not Intel's fault that is Medion's fault.

As for him being a fanboy in my opinion he is, he is calling out Intel for something that is out of there hand's, where is his video about someone doing the same thing with a AMD CPU?

Where is his video about AMD CPU's thermal throttling?

Where is his video about Ryzen/threadripper not performing to it's full potential with slower ram?

Where is the video about the Ram issues that AMD had when Ryzen launched?

There isn't a video from him about any of those thing's, but if it was Intel you can guarantee 100% there would be a video about it.

I am sorry but to me he is 100% an AMD fanboy, and I probably come across as an Intel fanboy right now but I use what will give me the best performance for what I do with the least amount of issues, and currently that is Intel/nVidia.

I would love to use AMD but currently I get the performance I am looking for with no issues from Intel/nVidia, compared to AMD where I would need to ensure my ram is compatible with the CPU, the CPU socket was made by a certain company and that my cooler is compatible because AMD decided to make the CPU bigger than it needs to be.

AlienALX
07-01-18, 12:57 PM
I'm sorry but the cpu is doing what it was designed to do, it's running at certain speed and just because it's capable of more with sufficient hardware attached to it, doesn't mean it should run at that regardless of what hardware is attached.

Don't get me wrong Intel are not angel's in the slightest, I wouldn't have had to void my warranty on my 7700K if they had done there jobs properly.


This is the problem, plain and simple people look for something to complain about, they find something regardless of whether it's a legit complaint or not and just complain hoping people will agree with them.

This guy is trying to make a storm where there shouldn't be, it's not Intel's fault that "Medion" decided to use an insufficient cooler and possibly motherboard and power supply in the pc that they sell.

Based of what he said, which to me sound's like system builders choose what speed's the CPU's will turbo to, based of the cooling and power capability of the hardware, how is it Intel's fault that the CPU does not boost to a figure that they do not state because the system builder decided that it should only go to speed "X"?

If I'm wrong then fine I'm wrong, but honestly I don't believe I am.

Intel should not be blamed for a CPU not hitting certain speed's that they don't advertise for a CPU, because a system builder has chosen to put insufficient hardware with the CPU to allow the full speed of the CPU to be used.

The same goes for AMD, they should not be blamed for someone building and selling a pc with poor cooling, power and slower ram than the CPU need's in order to perform to 100% of it's capabilities.

That is the case here, Medion are selling a pc that does not have what the CPU need's to perform at it's best, that is not Intel's fault that is Medion's fault.

As for him being a fanboy in my opinion he is, he is calling out Intel for something that is out of there hand's, where is his video about someone doing the same thing with a AMD CPU?

Where is his video about AMD CPU's thermal throttling?

Where is his video about Ryzen/threadripper not performing to it's full potential with slower ram?

Where is the video about the Ram issues that AMD had when Ryzen launched?

There isn't a video from him about any of those thing's, but if it was Intel you can guarantee 100% there would be a video about it.

I am sorry but to me he is 100% an AMD fanboy, and I probably come across as an Intel fanboy right now but I use what will give me the best performance for what I do with the least amount of issues, and currently that is Intel/nVidia.

I would love to use AMD but currently I get the performance I am looking for with no issues from Intel/nVidia, compared to AMD where I would need to ensure my ram is compatible with the CPU, the CPU socket was made by a certain company and that my cooler is compatible because AMD decided to make the CPU bigger than it needs to be.

If that is how the CPU is designed then that is fine. That is not what I, or many others, have an issue with. It's the fact that none of this information has been forthcoming.

With Ryzen we knew everything about it within a matter of days. From what ram to and to not use (A QVL is always handy there) and we knew what clocks it could do and we knew that using faster RAM was both a bonus and a caveat. Especially as RAM is so expensive these days.

How long has the 8700 been out now? were you aware of this? has any one pointed it out to you? read any reviews with it in?

Once again dude, stop dragging AMD into a facking problem that has nothing to do with them. I am getting sick of people doing that. Are you really that daft? this has nothing to do with them ! it just makes you look like some one who is incapable of differentiating between two completely different things.

In the past, no ifs or buts, a LOCKED Intel CPU would run at a given speed NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT OR WHERE IT RESIDED. This is a new thing.

And it hasn't been pointed out. End of. It has nothing to do with AMD !

I suggest that you watch more of his videos. Arm yourself with good information. How about Poor Vega? for example?

You can discredit and throw mud at the bloke as much as you like, but these facts come directly from a spec sheet that has been deliberately done to confuse any one who doesn't know exactly how it all works.

juandon
07-01-18, 01:25 PM
some interesting reading again cheers matey for bringing this to the eyes of a normal cp user.

Damien c
07-01-18, 01:36 PM
If that is how the CPU is designed then that is fine. That is not what I, or many others, have an issue with. It's the fact that none of this information has been forthcoming.




With Ryzen we knew everything about it within a matter of days. From what ram to and to not use (A QVL is always handy there) and we knew what clocks it could do and we knew that using faster RAM was both a bonus and a caveat. Especially as RAM is so expensive these days.

How long has the 8700 been out now? were you aware of this? has any one pointed it out to you? read any reviews with it in?

Once again dude, stop dragging AMD into a facking problem that has nothing to do with them. I am getting sick of people doing that. Are you really that daft? this has nothing to do with them ! it just makes you look like some one who is incapable of differentiating between two completely different things.

In the past, no ifs or buts, a LOCKED Intel CPU would run at a given speed NO MATTER WHERE YOU PUT IT OR WHERE IT RESIDED. This is a new thing.

And it hasn't been pointed out. End of. It has nothing to do with AMD !

I suggest that you watch more of his videos. Arm yourself with good information. How about Poor Vega? for example?

You can discredit and throw mud at the bloke as much as you like, but these facts come directly from a spec sheet that has been deliberately done to confuse any one who doesn't know exactly how it all works.



The information has not been forthcoming because Intel don't "HAVE" to provide it, it's that simple, they have provided the "Base" speed and what 1 core will boost to.

Should they also have to provide a list of what the CPU's will boost to, if you have Power Supply "X" combined with Cooler "X", with Thermal Paste "X" and Ambient Temp "X" with Motherboard "X" or a combination ranging from "A to Z"?

The reason I say that is because that is what is going to determine what it can boost to, not what Intel/AMD put in the CPU or how they make it.


I'm sorry you tell me where AMD state the same things on the product page for the 1800X or any of the Ryzen or Threadripper CPU's

http://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-7-1800x

http://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-threadripper-1950x

Where is the 2 core boost speed, 3,4,5,6,7,8?

Where is the information about XFR on that page, because I couldn't see it??

Who told us the information about the AMD CPU's and ram? I certaintly didn't hear about it from AMD prior to launch or after launch, I didn't hear from AMD about what the cores will boost to prior to launch or that they will have a temp offset in them to ensure that they don't get to hot prior to launch, I only heard about this stuff after launch from "Reviewers".


The reason I am bringing AMD in to it, is because I am sick and tired of hearing about how wonderful AMD are compared to Intel when they either do the same stuff or have the same problems and nothing get's said about it, because it's only ever "BIG BAD" Intel that do thing's that people should be annoyed about.

I mean why should I have to spend another £50 to £100 on ram to get say 3200Mhz over 2400Mhz in order to have a CPU perform better with 3200Mhz ram compared to 2400Mhz ram, shouldn't they perform identically with both speed's of ram?


Now you say that the spec sheet has been put together to confuse people, but when was the last time you saw someone in Curry's/PCWorld or places like that ask, the salesman for a spec sheet for a cpu in order to make an informed decision?

I have never seen it, and I have never seen it at Scan, Overclockers, Aria or Microdirect when they were running, for either Intel or AMD CPU's.

Most people who build there own pc's do research before and choose a CPU that way, and most people who go and buy a pre-built system are mainly looking for which will get them to facebook or youtube faster, they are not looking at which will run at it's none advertised speed all the time.

If a CPU regardless of being locked or not or who makes it, will boost past a certain speed because the hardware accompanying it allow's it to, then that's great regardless of who makes it, but just because it doesn't do it when the accompanying hardware doesn't allow it to, shouldn't mean the manufacturer of it should be blasted for it.


I don't think we are going to agree about this, so I am going to leave it alone I have said what I want to say and you have said what you want to say, and I do understand you are not happy with Intel because they don't provide the information that you think they should, but you should in my opinion also not be happy with AMD about the same thing since they don't provide the same information.

AlienALX
07-01-18, 01:53 PM
It was all explained by AMD in a video demonstrating Wattman. All of it.

And no, we don't agree about it. Simply because your actions make me feel like you are confused. If you had a Ford car break would you take it back to Chevy and start hollering at them about it? you are mud slinging, at a problem that has nothing to do with AMD at all. If you don't like AMD, or some of their practices, or etc? then open another thread and say it there.

Let me give you a few examples of how you should be reacting to this news.

1. Join the "I don't give a crap it doesn't affect me" brigade. Pretty much how the world is these days, with every man out for himself.

2. The "Fingers in the ears" approach.

3. Being annoyed that a tech company was pulling the wool over people's eyes.

None of those involve slinging mud at AMD because you know what? this has nothing to do with AMD. At all.

If you don't like the bloke who has delivered this news to you? that again is fine, but your issue should not be with him. It's called "Don't shoot the messenger".

This technique is foolish because at some point this could end up affecting you.

Kinda like how, over the past few days, Intel owners have been quick to rush along and say "Don't panic ! this won't affect me ! it won't affect any one gaming on Windows" and do you know what? they were completely wrong. How does a 41% loss of speed on a NVME drive grab ya?

The problem is that people become so emphatic about the product they own and their "Don't give a crap if it doesn't affect ME" attitude that they become blinded. Then they get screwed (should've seen it coming but had their eyes closed) and then they look really silly.

Something like this is bad news. No matter who is doing it, and who reports it. And should be taken as such.

FACT - every one who bought a Sandy and on CPU has been screwed. And, I would bet that Intel knew all about this flaw. They would be incompetent if they did not. Yet not only did they refuse to do anything about it they continued selling CPUs with exactly the same flaw for a decade.

This is ignoring Spectre for now, and the consequences it MAY or may NOT have on AMD. This is all Intel baby.

AlienALX
07-01-18, 03:01 PM
http://uk.businessinsider.com/linus-torvalds-linux-inventor-is-furious-at-intel-2018-1?r=US&IR=T

Linus Torvalds not happy with Intel (is putting it very mildly). He's the guy that wrote Linux, if you didn't know :)

Edit. Trillian is completely down. Facebook has issues with confirmation emails (personal experience).

NeverBackDown
08-01-18, 12:38 AM
Civ 6 is in the Humble Bundle but something even better...

University of Cambridge launches Civ 5 superintelligence mod.
http://www.pcgamer.com/university-of-cambridge-launches-civ-5-superintelligence-mod/

Warchild
08-01-18, 08:25 AM
Can you get this Intel/AMD debate OUT of the news thread? make a separate one instead.

AngryGoldfish
08-01-18, 08:34 PM
https://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-update-7nm-vega-2018-navi-2019/

AMD apparently are not doing a 12nm Vega refresh. They'll be skipping straight to a 7nm Vega card in 2018 or more likely 2019. This appears to be focused on improving Vega for the machine learning market, which means we might not see anything from AMD all throughout this year for gamers. I was hoping Vega would be refreshed with the 12nm process like Ryzen and receive a nice boost, but sadly it might not be happening. When Vega is refreshed on the 7nm process, it could be only for the compute market and not us gamers. It also means that Navi might not come out until H2 of 2019, a very long way away. It's really looking bad for Radeon.

Warchild
11-01-18, 12:10 PM
Thermal Take have just released their own keyboard its called the Corsair K70... wait no i mean its a TT X1.. or is it TT K70..

Well look at these picures and its very VERY similar to the Corsair K70. button placement, features, err maybe even PCB beneath the surface :P Wouldn't surprise me if it works with Corsair CUE software too :D

Source (http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/thermaltake-releases-x1-rgb-cherry-mx-keyboard-(that-looks-a-lot-like-corsair-ones).html) @ Guru3d

But look at this comparison. I'm by no means taking any credit from Johnny Guru but I just had to show it here.
Images below are from Guru3D.com. Hope Johnny doesnt mind. ;)

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=file&id=25336

http://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=articles&action=file&id=21920&admin=0a8fcaad6b03da6a6895d1ada2e171002a287bc1

I stood up for TT for their flak with some of their cases. But this goes to a new level.

AlienALX
11-01-18, 12:19 PM
lmao and I bet they will want a high price for it too :D

Fewls.

Bartacus
11-01-18, 12:36 PM
Umm, those aren't the only 2 KBs layed out like that. I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like those are the only 2 KBs with media buttons and a volume wheel in that spot. Not getting the "outrage" on this one.

Warchild
11-01-18, 12:45 PM
Umm, those aren't the only 2 KBs layed out like that. I'm not seeing the big deal here. It's not like those are the only 2 KBs with media buttons and a volume wheel in that spot. Not getting the "outrage" on this one.

No one is outraged firstly. But I think its more a case of all the minute details you arent noticing.

logo/design on illumination button/lock button, the led lighting and symbols for numlock/capslock etc. The gnurled texture on the scroll feature for volume. Its all the same.

Yes i agree its difficult to make something unique now, but they haven't made an effort. funny thing is i tried to get a better picture from TT site and its not available anymore there.

NeverBackDown
18-01-18, 11:16 PM
https://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=1332860

Not entirely sure what to call this but talks about EUV and 10/7/5nm nodes. Has some pretty good material in it I think. I found it interesting

NeverBackDown
19-01-18, 03:10 AM
Some MASSIVE patch notes and updates for Warhammer 2.

Mostly Bretonnia but my lord that patch note page took me around 10 minutes to read through
Bretonnia gets 20 new technologies, 4 Legendary buildings, LL/Lord/Hero's updates on top of balancing make them overall stronger in multiplayer.
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/tomb-kings-patch-notes

Warchild
19-01-18, 07:45 AM
Theme hospital is being remade so to speak.

Title will be called 2 point hospital and leading the project our 2 very key members of the old bullfrog games design and production.

Source (https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2018/01/16/theme-park-sequel-details/)

Dicehunter
21-01-18, 02:40 PM
Fox have announced a new Alien game is in the works -

http://www.denofgeek.com/uk/games/aliens/54677/alien-fox-announces-new-console-shooter

AngryGoldfish
21-01-18, 03:34 PM
I'm excited to see what they do with the franchise, but the Alien series as a whole has been in many different directions and not always to its merits.

TheF34RChannel
22-01-18, 06:36 AM
NVIDIA Asks Retailers To Stop Selling To Miners & Sell To Gamers Instead

Boris Böhles – NVIDIA ( Translated from German to English )
“For NVIDIA, gamers come first. All activities related to our GeForce product line are targeted at our main audience. To ensure that GeForce gamers continue to have good GeForce graphics card availability in the current situation, we recommend that our trading partners make the appropriate arrangements to meet gamers’ needs as usual.“

Original source: https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/nvidia-geforce-gtx-verkauf-an-spieler/

English: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/

AlienALX
22-01-18, 09:44 AM
NVIDIA Asks Retailers To Stop Selling To Miners & Sell To Gamers Instead



Original source: https://www.computerbase.de/2018-01/nvidia-geforce-gtx-verkauf-an-spieler/

English: https://wccftech.com/nvidia-instructs-retailers-stop-selling-miners-sell-gamers/

Lip service. They are loving this mining craze as much as AMD are.

Warchild
22-01-18, 11:21 AM
Lip service. They are loving this mining craze as much as AMD are.

Actually can go either way. Many have been deterred from purchasing Nvidia because of mining pushing up pricing and instead gone over to AMD.

Also works the other way. Depends on supply and demand in your country I suppose. GPU in Norway now have been the most expensive I have ever seen. Even though they are available, paying £900 for a normal AIB 1080ti is ridiculous. They are just not selling.

AlienALX
22-01-18, 11:28 AM
Actually can go either way. Many have been deterred from purchasing Nvidia because of mining pushing up pricing and instead gone over to AMD.

Also works the other way. Depends on supply and demand in your country I suppose. GPU in Norway now have been the most expensive I have ever seen. Even though they are available, paying £900 for a normal AIB 1080ti is ridiculous. They are just not selling.

They are both loving it.

https://i.imgur.com/9efXO0n.jpg

Titan money for a bucket of garbage. All sold out, too.

If they say anything otherwise they are lying, and I will tell you why. Nvidia make a couple of cards (1060 I saw on Linus just yesterday) that will not mine until you flash the bios. All they would need to do is launch the card with a perma bios that you can not flash, problem solved right? well no, because they are indeed just giving lip service.

They will say that to keep their gamers interested whist they pretty much shag their wife. Then when mining collapses they will come back to us.

And yes I am a pessimistic old bugger but end of the day I am right. They could stop mining tomorrow if they wanted. Just like they stopped SLi on their low end cards and stopped the guy who used to write Hyper SLi and Any SLi too.

In fact, they could massively help gamers out by allowing SLi on their very low end cards. But no. Stopped all that.

Dicehunter
22-01-18, 12:27 PM
They are both loving it.

https://i.imgur.com/9efXO0n.jpg

Titan money for a bucket of garbage. All sold out, too.

If they say anything otherwise they are lying, and I will tell you why. Nvidia make a couple of cards (1060 I saw on Linus just yesterday) that will not mine until you flash the bios. All they would need to do is launch the card with a perma bios that you can not flash, problem solved right? well no, because they are indeed just giving lip service.

They will say that to keep their gamers interested whist they pretty much shag their wife. Then when mining collapses they will come back to us.

And yes I am a pessimistic old bugger but end of the day I am right. They could stop mining tomorrow if they wanted. Just like they stopped SLi on their low end cards and stopped the guy who used to write Hyper SLi and Any SLi too.

In fact, they could massively help gamers out by allowing SLi on their very low end cards. But no. Stopped all that.

As Kaapstad said on another thread, The SW Titan Xp is actually good value for money, Fastest card currently available if you overlook Titan V which is a workstation card at heart, Which is the first time Titan + Value for money have ever been in the same sentence :lol:

AlienALX
22-01-18, 01:13 PM
As Kaapstad said on another thread, The SW Titan Xp is actually good value for money, Fastest card currently available if you overlook Titan V which is a workstation card at heart, Which is the first time Titan + Value for money have ever been in the same sentence :lol:

All I can say is "Thank god for the 1080Ti". Not because I want one, nor need one but because basically the miners are now using 1080Ti, which has pushed up the price making them not worth f*****g buying. For an extra £100 you can get a Titan, with more cores etc.

But yeah, even 1080Ti prices are ludicrous ATM. I bet Nvidia can't wait to drop the die size even more, more money for less silicon.

But you are right. Right now the best value card high end of the market is the Titan. Which is actually freakin' hilarious if you think about it.

I'm only surprised the price went down, not up !

AngryGoldfish
22-01-18, 02:04 PM
I don't agree with the statement, 'the Titan is good value for money.' Value is dependent on multiple factors, not just what is currently being sold due to supply issue.

AlienALX
22-01-18, 02:56 PM
I don't agree with the statement, 'the Titan is good value for money.' Value is dependent on multiple factors, not just what is currently being sold due to supply issue.

Value is dependent on performance and price to performance. The Titan is £999. Some of the Tis are that much

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080ti-gaming-oc-11264mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18v-gi.html

That horrid piece of cack is nine hundred sheets.

The Titan Xp costs around 10% more. It will give you about that in performance.

When you start dropping down you see things like this.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1060-dual-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-03k-pl.html

And when you add up the price to performance? the Titan probably offers better bang for the buck.

Yes, it's a lot of money is a grand. But if you have any self control at all or are just as disgusted at current GPU prices it wouldn't take you that long to save up and buy the card worth having. Most notably because it is the fastest card out there and you will not catch one with a 1080Ti. I've yet to see a 1080Ti topple my Titan XP tbh.

However this whole thing stinks and believe me is absolutely killing PC gaming stone dead. If you bought a card prior to the Radeon 580 launch you could still hang in there and play. But the cost of even entry level rubbish is so high now that I would need to be bloody high to recommend it to any of my mates.

"Yeah mate, just grab a Ryzen 1200, kick in the b******s RAM and sacrifice a kidney for a GPU !".

You are looking at nearly a thousand pounds now for a rig that should cost you £500, tops. No console costs £500. Nvidia and AMD and memory manufacturers are doing a bloody good job of keeping consoles in business. I heard that because of dropped sales etc M$ and Sony were only going to make one model of console now and sell it as a more powerful unit. That part came to fruition, however, neither would even so much as have a foothold if PC gaming wasn't arse r**e expensive now.

I have magazines from 2009 and back then you could buy an I3 Clarkdale for about £90 (which was more than enough for any game) a GTX 460 for about £130 and you were bloody laughing. You could play anything. Any game you wanted.

Now? haha.

AngryGoldfish
22-01-18, 04:47 PM
Value is dependent on performance and price to performance. The Titan is £999. Some of the Tis are that much

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1080ti-gaming-oc-11264mb-gddr5x-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-18v-gi.html

That horrid piece of cack is nine hundred sheets.

The Titan Xp costs around 10% more. It will give you about that in performance.

When you start dropping down you see things like this.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/palit-geforce-gtx-1060-dual-6144mb-gddr5-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-03k-pl.html

And when you add up the price to performance? the Titan probably offers better bang for the buck.

Yes, it's a lot of money is a grand. But if you have any self control at all or are just as disgusted at current GPU prices it wouldn't take you that long to save up and buy the card worth having. Most notably because it is the fastest card out there and you will not catch one with a 1080Ti. I've yet to see a 1080Ti topple my Titan XP tbh.

However this whole thing stinks and believe me is absolutely killing PC gaming stone dead. If you bought a card prior to the Radeon 580 launch you could still hang in there and play. But the cost of even entry level rubbish is so high now that I would need to be bloody high to recommend it to any of my mates.

"Yeah mate, just grab a Ryzen 1200, kick in the b******s RAM and sacrifice a kidney for a GPU !".

You are looking at nearly a thousand pounds now for a rig that should cost you £500, tops. No console costs £500. Nvidia and AMD and memory manufacturers are doing a bloody good job of keeping consoles in business. I heard that because of dropped sales etc M$ and Sony were only going to make one model of console now and sell it as a more powerful unit. That part came to fruition, however, neither would even so much as have a foothold if PC gaming wasn't arse r**e expensive now.

I have magazines from 2009 and back then you could buy an I3 Clarkdale for about £90 (which was more than enough for any game) a GTX 460 for about £130 and you were bloody laughing. You could play anything. Any game you wanted.

Now? haha.

Value is not just price to performance. There are far more factors to it than that, many of which are very personal. Ultimately the value of something is whether you are willing to pay for it, and even then there are psychology aspects to it, such as whether you agreed to pay the price begrudgingly or gladly. Again this is very personal.

- Date of purchase
- Length of owernership
- Store markup
- VAT rates
- Shipping rates
- Warranty services
- Inflation rates
- Current economical climate
- Past economical climate
- Likely future economical climate (this is a big one)
- Unlikely but still possible economical climate
- Minimum gaming requirements
- Ideal gaming requirements
- Personal game library
- Other system components

I could keep going. These all play a part in 'value'.

I could be wrong, but I get the sense you're trying to justify your Titan purchase(s), which is not necessary because the price you paid for your XP was not terrible value. I don't consider it good value, but it's by no means £1200.

NeverBackDown
22-01-18, 05:13 PM
As Kaapstad said on another thread, The SW Titan Xp is actually good value for money, Fastest card currently available if you overlook Titan V which is a workstation card at heart, Which is the first time Titan + Value for money have ever been in the same sentence :lol:

It's a good value right now because of mining ruining the pricing structure of the market.

AngryGoldfish
23-01-18, 09:24 PM
Mike Rayfield who developed Nvidia's Tegra graphics processors and David Wang who used to work for ATI and AMD are now heads at RTG:

https://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/graphics-industry-leaders-2018jan23.aspx

NeverBackDown
23-01-18, 10:18 PM
Mike Rayfield who developed Nvidia's Tegra graphics processors and David Wang who used to work for ATI and AMD are now heads at RTG:

https://www.amd.com/en-us/press-releases/Pages/graphics-industry-leaders-2018jan23.aspx

Was just about to report that as well
This is the link I came across
link (https://www.google.com/amp/s/wccftech.com/amd-replaces-raja-koduri-two-heavyweights-lead-graphics-rtg/amp/#ampshare=https://wccftech.com/amd-replaces-raja-koduri-two-heavyweights-lead-graphics-rtg/)

Dicehunter
29-01-18, 01:53 PM
New game ready driver from Nvidia for Kingdom Come Deliverance, Metal Gear Survive, Ansel introduced into Black Desert Online and Shadowplay Highlights for War Thunder -

https://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers/results/130712

NeverBackDown
29-01-18, 10:11 PM
Nvidia leading the way in automotive. This is going to be a massive advancement in this market. And it's not even Nvidia who's making it!
https://www.anandtech.com/show/12368/solving-the-automotive-bandwidth-problem-aquantia-partners-with-nvidia-for-10gbe

Dicehunter
30-01-18, 03:25 PM
Microsoft are apparently thinking about buying EA -

Uw1rtqZmwB8

Bartacus
30-01-18, 03:32 PM
Now that's interesting. EA is so pooched I'm thinking Microsoft couldn't possibly make them any WORSE. Or could they, LOL!

AngryGoldfish
30-01-18, 03:35 PM
I also heard they were considering buying Valve, which I think is bogus.

WYP
30-01-18, 03:55 PM
Microsoft are apparently thinking about buying EA -

Uw1rtqZmwB8

I also heard they were considering buying Valve, which I think is bogus.

Yeah, I am hearing that MS want's to improve their first party games lineup. Seen the same rumours for MS buying Valve, which is nonsense.

Dicehunter
30-01-18, 04:31 PM
I could see them buying EA, Valve not as now Valve is a mega company but buying EA is feasible.

NeverBackDown
30-01-18, 06:11 PM
I could see them buying EA, Valve not as now Valve is a mega company but buying EA is feasible.

It's not feasible for either.

Dicehunter
30-01-18, 06:14 PM
It's not feasible for either.

No one can see the future, EA is a business like any other and they can be bought up, If MS did buy EA then this would be a huge blow to Sony as MS could if they wanted make all EA titles exclusive to Xbox.

As of right now EA are worth around 30 Billion dollars, MS is expected to close in on being worth around the 1 Trillion dollar mark by 2020, If MS wanted to they could easily snap them up, Will it happen ? Aint got a clue but it's business and anything can happen.

g0ggles1994
01-02-18, 06:22 PM
On the note of Nintendo putting Mario Kart on mobile, they've also announced a Super Mario movie

www.bbc.co.uk/news/newsbeat-42900384

While I'm glad its animated rather than live action, I'm a bit reserved about Illumination making it, I just hope Miyamoto keeps it in check

Dicehunter
01-02-18, 07:27 PM
New Corsair chairs, Wider seat, Heavier load limit, Metal base instead of plastic etc... I want the red one ! ^_^

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/landing/gaming-chairs

http://cwsmgmt.corsair.com/responsive/img/t2/shop_t2_red.png

AlienALX
01-02-18, 07:38 PM
Well they got one thing right. The slogan "You'll want to sit down for this". Yup, you would. £350. Good thing I was sitting down or I'd have fallen over laughing.

In fact no, that's the skinny one. £399. lmfao.

Dicehunter
01-02-18, 07:42 PM
Well they got one thing right. The slogan "You'll want to sit down for this". Yup, you would. £350. Good thing I was sitting down or I'd have fallen over laughing.

In fact no, that's the skinny one. £399. lmfao.

In all fairness DXRacer make 1 called the tank and it's basically the same as this one, Same price and it is built like a tank.

AlienALX
01-02-18, 07:46 PM
If I were to spend anywhere even close to that sort of price I would go the whole hog and do it properly.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noblechairs-icon-top-grain-leather-gaming-chair-cognac-black-gunmetal-gc-00m-nc.html

Or not bother at all.

AngryGoldfish
01-02-18, 08:24 PM
If I were to spend anywhere even close to that sort of price I would go the whole hog and do it properly.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/noblechairs-icon-top-grain-leather-gaming-chair-cognac-black-gunmetal-gc-00m-nc.html

Or not bother at all.

You could argue that if you were paying £510 for a chair then you should buy something like a Steelseries Leap V2 or Herman Miller Aeron or Vertagear Triigger 350, which are chairs that are actually supposed to support long periods of sitting, both in comfort and health.

NeverBackDown
01-02-18, 08:51 PM
You could argue that if you were paying £510 for a chair then you should buy something like a Steelseries Leap V2 or Herman Miller Aeron or Vertagear Triigger 350, which are chairs that are actually supposed to support long periods of sitting, both in comfort and health.

Yep. I'd get an actual chair. Not some gaming one.

AlienALX
01-02-18, 09:04 PM
I've had nothing but actual chairs for years. TBH? I would never define any of them as totally comfortable. Not like a big leather sofa hugging you comfortable. However, since switching to proper chairs (instead of gaming cack) I can say that I have had no bum aches, no back aches and my posture is forced well.

My last chair was a Herman Miller Sayl. I got it about a week old. Had it for a couple of years, then my ass got fatter (sodding pills) and so I got a Humanscale Freedom Headrest (£1200 worth of chair for £240, completely refurbed new cloth, painted the frame etc).

The biggest test of any chair ever made is the bum foam. Crap chairs will give out and you will be sitting on plastic/wood whatever. A real chair never changes in firmness and never gives out.

Because of that when I needed another chair I bought a refurb Steelcase Let's B for about £60. New cloth etc. Not as nice as the Humanscale (it's a bit looser) but I would take it over any crap gaming chair.

Going to shift it to my mother's soon and set up camp there.

NeverBackDown
04-02-18, 09:40 PM
Not sure if this FF15 news has been reported about how cross-play works on Xbox and Windows.
https://www.pcgamer.com/final-fantasy-15-on-pc-will-support-xbox-one-cross-play-for-online-co-op/

Also there is already a mod being made for Kingdom Come Deliverance based on Game of Thrones.
https://www.pcgamer.com/a-game-of-thrones-total-conversion-mod-for-kingdom-come-deliverance-is-in-the-works/

RobM
04-02-18, 09:46 PM
No one can see the future, EA is a business like any other and they can be bought up, If MS did buy EA then this would be a huge blow to Sony as MS could if they wanted make all EA titles exclusive to Xbox.

As of right now EA are worth around 30 Billion dollars, MS is expected to close in on being worth around the 1 Trillion dollar mark by 2020, If MS wanted to they could easily snap them up, Will it happen ? Aint got a clue but it's business and anything can happen.
I can see the future, I went there next year and last month :D

Tolemac
04-02-18, 10:28 PM
I've had nothing but actual chairs for years. TBH? I would never define any of them as totally comfortable. Not like a big leather sofa hugging you comfortable. However, since switching to proper chairs (instead of gaming cack) I can say that I have had no bum aches, no back aches and my posture is forced well.

My last chair was a Herman Miller Sayl. I got it about a week old. Had it for a couple of years, then my ass got fatter (sodding pills) and so I got a Humanscale Freedom Headrest (£1200 worth of chair for £240, completely refurbed new cloth, painted the frame etc).

The biggest test of any chair ever made is the bum foam. Crap chairs will give out and you will be sitting on plastic/wood whatever. A real chair never changes in firmness and never gives out.

Because of that when I needed another chair I bought a refurb Steelcase Let's B for about £60. New cloth etc. Not as nice as the Humanscale (it's a bit looser) but I would take it over any crap gaming chair.

Going to shift it to my mother's soon and set up camp there.

I got a new chair for Xmas off the Mrs https://www.officefurnitureonline.co.uk/office-chairs/executive-leather-office-chairs/leather-office-chairs-less-than-100/turin-leather-manager-chair.html
comfy as :)

g0ggles1994
04-02-18, 11:37 PM
I got a new chair for Xmas off the Mrs https://www.officefurnitureonline.co.uk/office-chairs/executive-leather-office-chairs/leather-office-chairs-less-than-100/turin-leather-manager-chair.html
comfy as :)

Very nice mate, add a head rest and I'm sold.
I'm still rocking (pun absolutely intended :D) an IKEA Malkolm chair and while it's still comfy as the day I got it, my only problem is no head rest. Next chair I'll get will be a normal office chair like yours with a head rest.

AlienALX
04-02-18, 11:46 PM
I got a new chair for Xmas off the Mrs https://www.officefurnitureonline.co.uk/office-chairs/executive-leather-office-chairs/leather-office-chairs-less-than-100/turin-leather-manager-chair.html
comfy as :)

The ass foam will go. I've had about four chairs like that in the last 10 years, all have gone. One was actually lovely too, cream leather (real leather like). Cost me £200 back when, ass foam went. Ended up sitting on plywood.

I guess it's OK if you are very light (I wasn't heavy then, maybe 13 stone) and replace it every year or so. Problem is due to car accidents/being ran over as a kid/falling out of trees etc I can no longer sit in chairs like that. They are just not firm enough.

15 years ago? I could (and have) sat on a wooden box/the floor etc. But as I get older my body is giving me payback for wrecking it so bad.

https://www.2ndhnd.com/collections/chairs/products/steelcase-lets-b-hi-back-task-chair-no-arms-new-yellow-fabric

That was the last chair I bought. That is what is going over my mother's for my secondary bolt hole gaming PC. It's actually really heavy and comfy.

g0ggles1994
06-02-18, 12:03 PM
MSI have released new AM4 BIOS for a large set of X370/B350 and A320 boards using AGESA 1.1.0.1 for Raven Ridge, says it helps with memory compatability as well so I'm going to flash mine and report back. Hopefully it may stop the Blue Screens when running my RAM at full speed

AlienALX
06-02-18, 12:20 PM
MSI have released new AM4 BIOS for a large set of X370/B350 and A320 boards using AGESA 1.1.0.1 for Raven Ridge, says it helps with memory compatability as well so I'm going to flash mine and report back. Hopefully it may stop the Blue Screens when running my RAM at full speed

Have you set the RAM up manually and volted it all yourself? or just relying on AXMP?

g0ggles1994
06-02-18, 12:26 PM
Have you set the RAM up manually and volted it all yourself? or just relying on AXMP?

I did both, same result every time.

New BIOS is on, got my RAM at full speed, just gonna run a few hours see what stability is like. Made no difference to POST time though

g0ggles1994
06-02-18, 02:01 PM
Welp, Blue Screens are still there. The moment I try and do anything RAM intensive I get one. Not exactly surprising considering it is brand new AGESA code but still annoying nonetheless

AngryGoldfish
06-02-18, 05:25 PM
AMD are planning to replace GCN as an architecture after Navi, set for a 2020-2021 release. Its design plan began before Raja left (so he no doubt had input in it), but is in full swing with new RTG heads.

https://wccftech.com/amd-new-major-gpu-architecture-to-succeed-gcn-by-2020-2021/

NeverBackDown
06-02-18, 05:35 PM
AMD are planning to replace GCN as an architecture after Navi, set for a 2020-2021 release. Its design plan began before Raja left (so he no doubt had input in it), but is in full swing with new RTG heads.

https://wccftech.com/amd-new-major-gpu-architecture-to-succeed-gcn-by-2020-2021/

No sources except "we hear chatter". Yeah not a believable story right now.

AngryGoldfish
06-02-18, 05:39 PM
No sources except "we hear chatter". Yeah not a believable story right now.

It does make sense that they introduce something new.

NeverBackDown
06-02-18, 06:00 PM
It does make sense that they introduce something new.

Rumors are rumors. It would have made sense a couple years ago to. Doesn't change anything.

AngryGoldfish
06-02-18, 06:08 PM
Rumors are rumors. It would have made sense a couple years ago to. Doesn't change anything.

OK... :confused: Are you saying I shouldn't have posted it because it's a rumour or are you saying it's not true because it's a rumour?

NeverBackDown
06-02-18, 06:18 PM
OK... :confused: Are you saying I shouldn't have posted it because it's a rumour or are you saying it's not true because it's a rumour?

Like I said at the start it's not believable because there are no sources. Until they get a source it's just hearsay.

AngryGoldfish
06-02-18, 06:21 PM
Like I said at the start it's not believable because there are no sources. Until they get a source it's just hearsay.

I still am confused as to whether rumours are allowed to be posted or not, but OK.

NeverBackDown
06-02-18, 06:25 PM
I still am confused as to whether rumours are allowed to be posted or not, but OK.

Not confusing at all. Really straightforward and has nothing to do about posting rumors in the quick news section.
I am simply saying the story you posted I don't believe is true because it basically says "hey we heard from nothing and no one that the after Navi we get a next gen architecture. Based off an old roadmap that is extremely vague and has no content about this next gen architecture."

I don't see how that is believable. Seems like clickbait.

AngryGoldfish
06-02-18, 06:54 PM
Not confusing at all. Really straightforward and has nothing to do about posting rumors in the quick news section.
I am simply saying the story you posted I don't believe is true because it basically says "hey we heard from nothing and no one that the after Navi we get a next gen architecture. Based off an old roadmap that is extremely vague and has no content about this next gen architecture."

I don't see how that is believable. Seems like clickbait.

OK, that's fine then. I got the impression you didn't think rumours should ever be posted, but if that's not the case then I understand.

WYP
06-02-18, 07:03 PM
It is OK to post rumours here.

Also, the slide that says "Next Gen" on 7nm+ slide is from CES, so as recent as the GPU roadmap gets.

If they are already developing a new GPU architecture this will be Raja's baby, though it will be David Wang that will bring this design to fruition.

Whether or not this is true is hard to say, in some ways it makes sense for AMD to design a new architecture, as there is the possibility that they are simply finding GCN too difficult to scale. The question is do AMD wantAM<D hires to make some fundamental changes to GCN or do they want to build something new based on what they learned with GCN.

Just look at it this way, AMD brought back Jim Keller in August 2012 to design Zen, leaving in September 2015 after the design was basically done with a product release in 2017.

Raja becomes the head of the newly formed RTG in September 2015, leaves in late 2017. Imagine if Raja was working on something new, perhaps a heavily reworked GCN or a totally new microarchitecture, a release in 2020 would seem accurate. Remember that it takes a lot of time before a totally new design can be made into a product.

This makes a lot of assumptions, but it is possible.

Dicehunter
07-02-18, 09:57 PM
Taken from another forum, Original post (https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31585241/).

Nvidia discontinued GP102 production, Titan X Pascal, Titan Xp and 1080 Ti now reached EOL.

Nvidia GA104 already in production since February probably over the last week.

Nvidia to unveiled GA104 chip based on Ampere architecture, announce GTX 2070 and 2080 cards at GTC 2018 between 26-29 March 2018.

Ampere GTX 2070 and GTX 2080 with GDDR6 launch date 12 April 2018?

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dcenter.org%2Fnews%2Fnvidia-ampere-geruechtekueche-gp102-produktion-bereits-eingestellt-ga104-seit-februar-produktio&edit-text=&act=url

WYP
07-02-18, 10:01 PM
Taken from another forum, Original post (https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31585241/).



https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dcenter.org%2Fnews%2Fnvidia-ampere-geruechtekueche-gp102-produktion-bereits-eingestellt-ga104-seit-februar-produktio&edit-text=&act=url

... I doubt this is true, as it would mean that Nvidia wasn't creating new GPU chips for a while and effectively caused their own GPU shortage in the mining boom.

While Nvidia does need to march forward with new products, I don't see why they would want to ATM.

AngryGoldfish
07-02-18, 10:04 PM
... I doubt this is true, as it would mean that Nvidia wasn't creating new GPU chips for a while and effectively caused their own GPU shortage in the mining boom.

While Nvidia does need to march forward with new products, I don't see why they would want to ATM.

And people will complain. And then those people will go and buy their new GPU.

Warchild
08-02-18, 07:53 AM
Taken from another forum, Original post (https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/31585241/).



https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.3dcenter.org%2Fnews%2Fnvidia-ampere-geruechtekueche-gp102-produktion-bereits-eingestellt-ga104-seit-februar-produktio&edit-text=&act=url

Why does everyone assume its 2080 series? did i miss something? why not 1180? Each series has jumped 100 with exception of the 880m

Also, I think its smart to exhaust their supplies of pascal. its means they are not stuck with surplus stock. They have sold all chips at full cost/full profit.