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NeverBackDown
01-08-17, 04:58 AM
Star Citizen's big alpha 3.0 release slips again

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-07-31-star-citizens-big-alpha-3-0-release-slips-again

Not surprised

Dicehunter
01-08-17, 09:21 AM
Nvidia released a beta driver that "unlocks" pro/Quadro features of the new Titan Xp bringing with it up to 3 x more performance in applications such as Maya etc....

https://www.techpowerup.com/235701/nvidia-unlocks-certain-professional-features-for-titan-xp-through-driver-update

https://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers/results/122167

http://i.imgur.com/eskOwrv.jpg

AlienALX
01-08-17, 09:34 AM
Pretty awesome if you already had one. Strange though !

TheF34RChannel
01-08-17, 02:37 PM
Not surprised

Me neither. Just wish star citizen would be finished as I really want to play it.

Warchild
01-08-17, 03:16 PM
Me neither. Just wish star citizen would be finished as I really want to play it.

Im interested, but not going to touch it until its properly polished, if that ever happens. If it doesnt... well i have saved money

HJ1mech
02-08-17, 04:37 PM
Fractal launches tempered glass Define C.
http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/fractal-design-launch-new-tempered-glass-define-c-chassis.html

looz
03-08-17, 12:34 AM
Rumour: AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 leaked benchmarks: GTX 1070 killer

Battlefield 1: 95.4FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)
Civilization 6: 85.1FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)
DOOM: 101.2FPS (GTX 1070: 84.6FPS)
COD:IW: 99.9FPS (GTX 1070: 92.1FPS)

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58635/amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-leaked-benchmarks-gtx-1070-killer/index.html

Taking this with a huge grain of salt tinged with optimism.

NeverBackDown
03-08-17, 12:37 AM
Rumour: AMD Radeon RX Vega 56 leaked benchmarks: GTX 1070 killer

Battlefield 1: 95.4FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)
Civilization 6: 85.1FPS (GTX 1070: 72.2FPS)
DOOM: 101.2FPS (GTX 1070: 84.6FPS)
COD:IW: 99.9FPS (GTX 1070: 92.1FPS)

http://www.tweaktown.com/news/58635/amd-radeon-rx-vega-56-leaked-benchmarks-gtx-1070-killer/index.html

Taking this with a huge grain of salt tinged with optimism.

Aren't all of those games in favor of amd?

looz
03-08-17, 12:45 AM
Well, Doom definitely is, not sure if rest of the list is that slanted towards AMD. What makes me more suspicious is the 1070's discrepancy with other review sites, as pointed out by this reddit comment (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6r7dn1/rx_vega_56_benchmarks_leaked_gtx_1070_killer/dl30ivp/).

NeverBackDown
03-08-17, 01:06 AM
Well, Doom definitely is, not sure if rest of the list is that slanted towards AMD. What makes me more suspicious is the 1070's discrepancy with other review sites, as pointed out by this reddit comment (https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6r7dn1/rx_vega_56_benchmarks_leaked_gtx_1070_killer/dl30ivp/).

All the other games are however I do not know if COD is.

You'd have to find as many sources as possible and find there avg for the 1070. Otherwise it's just cherry picking on top of cherry picked results. I do believe the Vega 56 will compete and probably be slightly better than a 1070 but I think it's more game dependent than anything.

Dicehunter
03-08-17, 01:57 AM
Looks a bit funky, Need to see side by side numbers of the same games, Same settings, Res etc....

NeverBackDown
03-08-17, 09:17 AM
AMD reveals a single rack Super Computer capable of 1PetaFLOP (https://www.forbes.com/sites/marcochiappetta/2017/07/31/amd-leverages-epyc-and-vega-to-cram-1-petaflop-supercomputer-into-a-single-server-rack/?c=0&s=trending#694ed85e1365)

Yep. One rack. 1PetaFLOP in single precision and 2 in half.
Using 20 Epyc 7601(aka 32core) and 80 top end Vega GPUS. Only consumes 30Gigawatts/FLOP which is damn efficient all things considered.


Let's just say this is quite a monster.

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 10:26 AM
TweakTown are shams. Don't trust a word they say.

COD heavily favours AMD. Resident Evil is another DX11 game that heavily favours AMD.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 02:33 PM
TweakTown are shams. Don't trust a word they say.

COD heavily favours AMD. Resident Evil is another DX11 game that heavily favours AMD.

This.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 02:39 PM
Intel Coffee Lake 8th Generation Core Family Detailed – 300 Series Chipset and LGA 1151 Socket Support, 6 Core CPUs With 95W TDP and 24 PCIe Lanes

"The details start off with a desktop product roadmap which show that Intel plans to launch their Coffee Lake S series processors in late Q3 2017. The ‘S’ moniker stands for mainstream desktop chips which are going to launch on the 300-series platform. The roadmap shows that Intel will be making two product updates with the Coffee Lake S family. The first family will be arriving on the Kaby Lake Refresh chipset which will be known as Z370 and the second family will be arriving on the Cannon Lake PCH which will be known as Z390 and will also include other SKUs (H/B/Q)."

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Coffee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_2.jpg

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Coffee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_4.jpg

http://wccftech.com/intel-coffee-lake-8th-gen-cpu-300-series-platform-details-leak/

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 03:12 PM
Wait... so there's another Kaby Lake refresh? And that'll be Z370? But that's not Coffee Lake? Coffee Lake is still 1151 socket and will be Z390, but it won't support Z270 motherboards, even though it's still socket 1151? Unlike Kaby Lake Z370 chips that will? Because according to ASRock, Z270 won't support Coffee Lake.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 03:15 PM
Wait... so there's another Kaby Lake refresh? And that'll be Z370? But that's not Coffee Lake? Coffee Lake is still 1151 socket and will be Z390, but it won't support Z270 motherboards, even though it's still socket 1151? Unlike Kaby Lake Z370 chips that will? Because according to ASRock, Z270 won't support Coffee Lake.

No you misinterpreted it :)

I'll quote Sweepr for a wee run down:

"- There will be 6 consumer Coffee Lake-S SKUs at launch (including both 4C+GT2 and 6C+GT2), we already know the specs for four of them - considering the 6C+GT2 die covers both Core i5 and Core i7 lineup, two Core i3 models make sense, both should be 4C+GT2 (Core i3-8300 above and another one?)

- Production window for CFL-S 4+2 and 6+2 is the same, ww34-41 2017 - which means August 21 to October 9

- Up to 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes

- 95W (enthusiasts), 65W (corporate / mainstream) and 35W (low power) TDP SKUs, as expected

- KBL-R PCH = Z370 = high-end chipset, which launches first and apparently won't get replaced by a Z390 in early 2018 as Dr.MOLA indicated

- CNL PCH = Rest of the 300 series, including programmable quad-core audio DSP, Gen 2 of USB 3.1, Wifi-AC, SDXC 3.0 and Thunderbolt with DisplayPort 1.4 - even H110 will be replaced"

Daiyus
03-08-17, 03:16 PM
Wait... so there's another Kaby Lake refresh? And that'll be Z370? But that's not Coffee Lake? Coffee Lake is still 1151 socket and will be Z390, but it won't support Z270 motherboards, even though it's still socket 1151? Unlike Kaby Lake Z370 chips that will? Because according to ASRock, Z270 won't support Coffee Lake.

Intel seems to like confusing solutions at the moment. First X299 and now Coffee-Lake. Ryzen anyone?

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 03:21 PM
No you misinterpreted it :)

I'll quote Sweepr for a wee run down:

"- There will be 6 consumer Coffee Lake-S SKUs at launch (including both 4C+GT2 and 6C+GT2), we already know the specs for four of them - considering the 6C+GT2 die covers both Core i5 and Core i7 lineup, two Core i3 models make sense, both should be 4C+GT2 (Core i3-8300 above and another one?)

- Production window for CFL-S 4+2 and 6+2 is the same, ww34-41 2017 - which means August 21 to October 9

- Up to 24 PCIe 3.0 lanes

- 95W (enthusiasts), 65W (corporate / mainstream) and 35W (low power) TDP SKUs, as expected

- KBL-R PCH = Z370 = high-end chipset, which launches first and apparently won't get replaced by a Z390 in early 2018 as Dr.MOLA indicated

- CNL PCH = Rest of the 300 series, including programmable quad-core audio DSP, Gen 2 of USB 3.1, Wifi-AC, SDXC 3.0 and Thunderbolt with DisplayPort 1.4 - even H110 will be replaced"

That's as clear as mud, sorry. :huh:

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 03:23 PM
That's as clear as mud, sorry. :huh:

Ha ha I don't know ow how to break it down any better to be honest. Chipset is called KBL refresh is all.

Intel seems to like confusing solutions at the moment. First X299 and now Coffee-Lake. Ryzen anyone?

Cut it out.

Daiyus
03-08-17, 03:25 PM
Cut it out.

Just a joke. Didn't mean anything by it. I'm really hoping these Coffee-Lake CPU's finally topple the i7-7700k's reign. It'd be great to see six-core+ becoming more common regardless of vendor.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 03:58 PM
Just a joke. Didn't mean anything by it. I'm really hoping these Coffee-Lake CPU's finally topple the i7-7700k's reign. It'd be great to see six-core+ becoming more common regardless of vendor.

Sorry for the misunderstanding; feeling ill today and that kills my joke recognition every time. I've been up since 3:30 :( So I'm sorry.

Yeah they will for sure! On both accounts!

Korreborg
03-08-17, 04:24 PM
The coffee lake actually makes sense.
4c8 thread i3 should be a lot better than R3
6c6 thread i5 meh, its hard to tell anything of clock speed/IPC vs more threads
6c12 tread i7 should be alot better than the 1600X, again, hard to say vs 1700/1800

But if it keeps up the gaming performance it should be good chips. And the hopefully the price will be low to compete with AMD.

AlienALX
03-08-17, 04:37 PM
The coffee lake actually makes sense.
4c8 thread i3 should be a lot better than R3
6c6 thread i5 meh, its hard to tell anything of clock speed/IPC vs more threads
6c12 tread i7 should be alot better than the 1600X, again, hard to say vs 1700/1800

But if it keeps up the gaming performance it should be good chips. And the hopefully the price will be low to compete with AMD.

LOL @ Intel and low prices.

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 04:39 PM
Yeah, I'm gonna side with Alien. I don't predict Intel will be lowering their prices. They'll up the performance, but they won't lower the prices. That's my prediction anyway. If anything they'll increase them.

looz
03-08-17, 04:42 PM
Gaming wise I expect the i7 to beat Ryzen handily across the board, unless the architechture runs too warm for decent clocks. The i5 will probably be almost identical to current 7700k, both in performance and thermals.

Then again Ryzen is completely fine for gaming, at least at traditional 60Hz.

I just keep wondering about the pricing, somehow I expect a price hike from Intel due to the added cores.

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 04:43 PM
I doubt the new range will hit 7700K levels of gaming performance since they probably won't clock as high.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 04:44 PM
Yeah, I'm gonna side with Alien. I don't predict Intel will be lowering their prices. They'll up the performance, but they won't lower the prices. That's my prediction anyway. If anything they'll increase them.

Sad, but true... (in all likelihood)

Does this help @AngryGoldfish?

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Coffee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_3.jpg

The Cannonlake PCH should be incorrect with the entire thing canned for desktops, paving the way for Ice Lake and subsequently Tiger Lake. Not saying there'll be a ICL-PCH in Q1: 2018 for CFL SKUs - that'd be unthinkable.

AngryGoldfish
03-08-17, 04:49 PM
So Kaby Lake refresh will join Coffee Lake on the Z370 platform. They'll both be on 1151, but Kaby Lake refresh and Coffee Lake will not be supported by Z270. Or maybe Coffee Lake won't be supported by Z270 but Kaby Lake refresh will.

Then there will be another chipset, Z390, that will support both Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake, but not Kaby Lake refresh.

Is that right?

AlienALX
03-08-17, 04:51 PM
Aye, they will just keep their price structure the same and up the cores etc. Intel do not want to lose face here, if they lower prices they will definitely lose face.

I reckon the 6c 12t CPU will weigh in at around the £350 mark, right about where the 5820k was at launch before they got all greedy. 6c 6t? hmm, £300? £280? something like that.

Of course you would be daft to pay that, because 1600 is less than £200, but that is the mind control Intel have sadly.

I was reading an issue of Custom PC in the toilet and some guy wrote in saying he had finally upgraded his rig from a Q6600 to... A 6850k that he paid £400 for. What a mug ! 1600 is half price and about dead even.

Having said that turkeys who vote for Christmas have never really held any esteem for me. They deserve everything they bloody get.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 04:57 PM
So Kaby Lake refresh will join Coffee Lake on the Z370 platform. They'll both be on 1151, but Kaby Lake refresh and Coffee Lake will not be supported by Z270. Or maybe Coffee Lake won't be supported by Z270 but Kaby Lake refresh will.

Then there will be another chipset, Z390, that will support both Coffee Lake and Cannon Lake, but not Kaby Lake refresh.

Is that right?

There is no KBL CPU refresh; they're referring to the Platform Controller Hub (PCH):

From Videocardz: Coffee vs Cannon

"It’s also worth noting that Coffee Lake-S architecture will be split available on Kabylake Refresh PCH (Z370) and Cannon Lake platforms (300-series PCH). The latter is to offer programmable quad-core audio DSP, Gen 2 of USB 3.1, Wifi-AC, SDXC 3.0 and Thunderbolt with DisplayPort 1.4."

https://videocardz.com/71660/intel-coffee-lake-architecture-brings-6-core-at-95w-tdp

Also, there does not seem to be a Z390 chipset coming:

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Coffee-Lake-and-300-Series-Platform-Details_4.jpg

Bartacus
03-08-17, 04:58 PM
The ONLY way Intel would drop prices is if sales PLUMMETED across the board, and Ryzen sales skyrocketed. And I don't see that happening.

Daiyus
03-08-17, 05:00 PM
Sorry for the misunderstanding; feeling ill today and that kills my joke recognition every time. I've been up since 3:30 :( So I'm sorry.

Yeah they will for sure! On both accounts!

That's all right. Text isn't the easiest medium to pass comedy through. I should've known better and put "/jk" at the end. No harm no foul, right?

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 05:03 PM
That's all right. Text isn't the easiest medium to pass comedy through. I should've known better and put "/jk" at the end. No harm no foul, right?

Absolutely mate! :cool:

Korreborg
03-08-17, 05:58 PM
LOL @ Intel and low prices.
I said hopefully. If the price is to high, people (myself included) would be tempted to go R5 for price saving or pay more and get a TR for more cores.

TheF34RChannel
03-08-17, 06:07 PM
Gigabyte and MSI are readying new motherboards designed only for Kabylake-X architecture.

https://videocardz.com/71656/x299-kabylake-x-only-motherboards-are-here

AlienALX
03-08-17, 06:07 PM
I said hopefully. If the price is to high, people (myself included) would be tempted to go R5 for price saving or pay more and get a TR for more cores.

Hopefully. About as hopeful as a snowflake's chance in hell. It ain't happening. They will skin you, and continue to do so.

We've been here before several times. Firstly with the launch of the original Athlons. Very fast, VERY cheap, Intel held firm with P4 prices. Then AMD come out with the FX, $600 or so. Intel rebadge a Xeon, sell it as a P4 Extreme Edition for $1200, the fanboys all queue in line to kiss their ass.

Even when Intel are losing they are still winning, thanks to their mind share. I gave an example earlier of a guy writing into a mag - that is the sort of mind share they have. Some dude pays £400 for £200 worth of CPU and is elated, best deal he's had in years etc.

The same holds true for Nvidia. Even if AMD spanked them stupid in performance price and basically everything you would still have people lining up to buy their crap GPUs.

Know what GPU sold the most when the 5870 launched? yup, that's right ! the GTX 260 :eek:

AngryGoldfish
04-08-17, 04:09 PM
Apparently Vega will be using Samsung HBM2 and not Hynix, not at first.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11690/sk-hynix-customers-willing-to-pay-more-for-hbm2-memory?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social

TheF34RChannel
04-08-17, 09:23 PM
Not really news but the steam weekend deal is halve off of sniper elite 4. I'll try and pick it up, done a test run on a mate's PS4 recently and it was fun, beautiful scenery too.

AlienALX
05-08-17, 09:27 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=decz1N9YpOw&spfreload=10

Kind of ironic given he was whining about B-T doing an early review of one of the new Intel CPUs...

Korreborg
06-08-17, 07:29 AM
OMG pay that kind of money, and then a blue MB. Hoping it's pre-production.
I actually like the case, just hate the watercooling support :)

AlienALX
06-08-17, 08:33 AM
Nope they are all blue in Alienwares and have been since Dell took over.

Can't believe they went with that case tbh. Surprised they haven't gone with a new one, it's been around three years now. That will be their downfall with cooling as he has pointed out. There is nowhere to fit a larger AIO.

It is possible to sort them out inside. But yeah, actual water cooling support is difficult. It was designed for AIOs.

Daiyus
08-08-17, 07:17 AM
EKWB have begun releasing their promised expansion packs for their Fluid Gaming lineup:

https://www.ekfluidgaming.com/parts/

AngryGoldfish
08-08-17, 12:41 PM
It's quite exciting we're finally getting affordable water cooling components.

Daiyus
08-08-17, 01:03 PM
It's quite exciting we're finally getting affordable water cooling components.

Definitely. I wouldn't be able to consider a full loop if it weren't for these kits. I know some have slated elements of the kits such as the fans or pumps but as an entry level product stack it seems to be a really good overall product when it comes to price/performance.

AngryGoldfish
08-08-17, 01:10 PM
It's a tough sell for Nvidia graphics cards for me personally because they just don't need water, but these new behemoth CPU's and Vega on the way, water cooling needs affordable components to keep it all cool.

AlienALX
08-08-17, 01:23 PM
It's a tough sell for Nvidia graphics cards for me personally because they just don't need water, but these new behemoth CPU's and Vega on the way, water cooling needs affordable components to keep it all cool.

Sorta true. I can tell you now though dude, the Titan XP and 1080Ti either need a high end cooler or water to cope with their clocks. Mine gets really hot and makes a noise I hadn't heard in years. I want to get water (well, AIO water) onto mine ASAP. Parts just arrived with my friend for machining. Hopefully soon I can get the AIO on there and start cranking the clocks :cool:

Bartacus
08-08-17, 01:26 PM
1080TI's are awesome underwater, need or not. Mine see 35C under FULL LOAD if I don't OC them. If I do +175 on the core, +300 on the memory, I can get them to heat up to a shockingly hot 38C (HeatKiller FTW!!). #firstworldproblems yo. :)

AlienALX
08-08-17, 01:29 PM
IMO you need good cooling to get the most out of a 1080Ti/Titan. If you don't you will only gain around 20%, which at the time of launch the Titan cost far too much money per perf. However, add water to that? you are 30-35% faster which is the sort of jump you expect out of a regular part to a Ti.

Can't wait to get mine under the AIO. My Titan XM managed 1454 on a hybrid :D

AngryGoldfish
08-08-17, 01:30 PM
Sorta true. I can tell you now though dude, the Titan XP and 1080Ti either need a high end cooler or water to cope with their clocks. Mine gets really hot and makes a noise I hadn't heard in years. I want to get water (well, AIO water) onto mine ASAP. Parts just arrived with my friend for machining. Hopefully soon I can get the AIO on there and start cranking the clocks :cool:

Yeah, I should have prefaced that with big air you can overclock Pascal really well. The stock coolers definitely struggle.

AlienALX
08-08-17, 01:31 PM
Yeah, I should have prefaced that with big air you can overclock Pascal really well. The stock coolers definitely struggle.

Yeah man they get hot. Really hot. Was shocked at how hot the back of the card got !

Didn't expect it out of Pascal but I guess this is big Pascal.

AngryGoldfish
08-08-17, 01:41 PM
And big Pascal is actually surprisingly power hungry once overclocked. It'll draw quite a bit of power, more so than Maxwell and Fiji so I've read.

TheF34RChannel
08-08-17, 04:03 PM
Media Alert: New 8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family to Debut Aug. 21

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Korreborg
09-08-17, 10:56 AM
Just zapped through Awesome Hardware, with Poul and Kyle. They hinted a Asus Ares GFX
2 Vegas on one PCB sound fun :) But it got to be a waterblock, a 120mm AIO is hardly enough for 2 vegas :D

Dicehunter
09-08-17, 11:54 AM
Phanteks RGB fan frames, Nifty idea so you can add RGB to high performance fans and control it via Aura -

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lp/phanteks-halos-and-pro-m-se.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/media/image/thumbnail/CA071PT_170557_285x255.jpg

DXHjrvPhlp8

AlienALX
09-08-17, 12:11 PM
Just waiting for the bit where you find out they cost as much as the fans :D

I dunno man. I might possibly be down for some of those.

AngryGoldfish
09-08-17, 12:12 PM
Just zapped through Awesome Hardware, with Poul and Kyle. They hinted a Asus Ares GFX
2 Vegas on one PCB sound fun :) But it got to be a waterblock, a 120mm AIO is hardly enough for 2 vegas :D

And a 1000W PSU required as an absolute minimum. :p

Phanteks RGB fan frames, Nifty idea so you can add RGB to high performance fans and control it via Aura -

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/lp/phanteks-halos-and-pro-m-se.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/media/image/thumbnail/CA071PT_170557_285x255.jpg

DXHjrvPhlp8

I think these actually look better than traditional LED fans. And the fact that you can put them on better fans than Corsair or Thermaltake is the icing on the cake.

Bartacus
09-08-17, 12:13 PM
Hmm, my water cooling supplier designed and sold stuff like this years ago (not RGB though). I wonder if Phanteks actually ripped this idea off him.

AlienALX
09-08-17, 12:46 PM
Hmm, my water cooling supplier designed and sold stuff like this years ago (not RGB though). I wonder if Phanteks actually ripped this idea off him.

To be fair I have seen quite a few modders come up with things like this. Or pump LED plates and CPU block plates etc. RGB bulbs used to cost around £5 each. I remember looking into them when one of the LEDs in my 2008 started lighting the wrong colours. It's only very recently that they have started to become cheap really..

I must say, I do like the silver ones. But as I said, looking forward to being much disappoints when they come in at something stupid like £25 each. I would need four or five too, so it could get expensive fast.

Bartacus
09-08-17, 12:49 PM
I have 4 of these things that are UV, since I had Gelid fans with UV blades. I can honestly say that they seem like a good idea on paper, but once you get them, they lose their lustre pretty quick. They add bulk, you end up needed extra long screws, and they're not very subtle unless you install them underneath the fans, not on top.

As you said, not cheap either. I paid around $100 for 4 of em; totally not worth it IMO, unless you have a VERY specific look you're going for.

AlienALX
09-08-17, 12:51 PM
I would want them on top and visible. I think the silver would go nicely with my "space ship loading deck" theme. lots of wires to hide though !

I've been thinking about getting some angel eyes or something. IIRC they are about a tenner each, but only one colour.

Dicehunter
09-08-17, 01:39 PM
Just waiting for the bit where you find out they cost as much as the fans :D

I dunno man. I might possibly be down for some of those.

10 quid for the plastic version and 20 quid for the metal version, Both have the same amount of LED's and compatibility with Aura sync etc....I'd say those are some damn good prices IMO :)

AlienALX
09-08-17, 02:05 PM
Yeah very good prices. Might pick those up soon. Will stick with black though I reckon. Add some alien type design to them with black chrome/the plotter. I figured the silver ones were plastic, not metal. Not paying £20 though that's a bit nuts.

AngryGoldfish
09-08-17, 02:13 PM
Fractal Design has just released an awesome looking new case called the Meshify C. Not sold on the name but the design looks awesome. I had hoped for a case like that, but I do wish they had splurged a bit and gone for aluminium and finally made a premium chassis to match Phanteks and Jonsbo.

AlienALX
09-08-17, 02:47 PM
Fractal Design has just released an awesome looking new case called the Meshify C. Not sold on the name but the design looks awesome. I had hoped for a case like that, but I do wish they had splurged a bit and gone for aluminium and finally made a premium chassis to match Phanteks and Jonsbo.

Hey that's quite nice that ! I like the abstract front :)

AngryGoldfish
09-08-17, 02:49 PM
Yeah, it looks awesome. I've read a few reviews, though, and sadly it's not quiet enough for me. I keep trying to find a better case than the Jonsbo W2 and it just doesn't exist.

AlienALX
09-08-17, 02:57 PM
Yeah Jonsbo make some amazing cases. I wish they were more available tbh.

AngryGoldfish
09-08-17, 03:10 PM
Yeah Jonsbo make some amazing cases. I wish they were more available tbh.

That's the issue. I'm finding it hard to find the chassis at a reasonable price. The UK stockist had some for sale for a while, but they were significantly higher than European prices. But many of the European dealers haven't stocked the W2 in weeks. When I'm ready for the build, the last thing I want is to have to sit on my parts for a month until the case is back in stock. To be honest, the build I have planned is quite a fiddly one. None of the parts are common and I might have to buy them in stages instead of all at once. I won't be doing so until September anyway, until I see Vega aftermarket models come out.

TheF34RChannel
09-08-17, 04:07 PM
Intel’s 12 Core ‘Skylake-X’ Core i9-7920X ES Geekbench Performance Leaked

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Core-i9-7920X-Geekbeench-Benchmark-1.jpg

http://wccftech.com/intels-12-core-skylake-x-core-i9-7920x-es-geekbench-performance-leaked/

TheF34RChannel
09-08-17, 04:11 PM
Intel Core i7-8550U spotted in Acer NITRO notebook


A YouTube channel called ADBIG has a video with upcoming Acer Nitro AN515-31 notebook equipped with Intel Core i7-8550U processor. The notebook has quad-core CPU with eight threads, 20 GB of DDR4 memory and GeForce GTX graphics cards.

This is the first public appearance of 8th Gen Intel Core processor.

The laptop is expected to cost around 25,000 baht (752 USD).

https://cdn.videocardz.com/1/2017/08/Intel-Core-i7-8550U.jpg

https://videocardz.com/newz/intel-core-i7-8550u-spotted-in-acer-nitro-notebook

TheF34RChannel
10-08-17, 05:57 PM
3DMark 11 result ft. Core i7-8700K and Supermicro C7Z370-CG-L: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12312851

TheF34RChannel
11-08-17, 02:48 PM
8700K specs confirmed

http://ranker.sisoftware.net/show_run.php?q=c2ffcee889e8d5e2d2e2d6e2d6f082bf8fa 9cca994a482f1ccf4&l=en

TheF34RChannel
11-08-17, 09:08 PM
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-benchmarks-leak/

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Intel-Core-i7-8700K-CPU-3DMark-11_GTX-1080.png

AlienALX
14-08-17, 11:31 AM
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-review-leak/

*Blows a whacking great raspberry*

In gaming, the only title where the Radeon RX Vega 64 was able to give a conclusive beating to the GTX 1080 FE was Battlefield 1 while Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Civilization VI, Metro Last Light Redux, Rise of The Tomb Raider and Titanfall 2 showed GTX 1080 as the best solution for gaming at a price that was $200 US cheaper than the liquid cooled model.

The Liquid model can consumer over 500W of power with +50% power limit which is shockingly high!

It's actually worse than I thought...

Dicehunter
14-08-17, 11:35 AM
http://wccftech.com/amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-review-leak/

*Blows a whacking great raspberry*

In gaming, the only title where the Radeon RX Vega 64 was able to give a conclusive beating to the GTX 1080 FE was Battlefield 1 while Ghost Recon: Wildlands, Civilization VI, Metro Last Light Redux, Rise of The Tomb Raider and Titanfall 2 showed GTX 1080 as the best solution for gaming at a price that was $200 US cheaper than the liquid cooled model.

The Liquid model can consumer over 500W of power with +50% power limit which is shockingly high!

It's actually worse than I thought...

Yikes, Not looking good for AMD so far.

Tolemac
14-08-17, 11:41 AM
If and a very big if "it's Wccftech news " this is true I am glad I bought a 1080 back in May for £425 and the Gamerock premium bios works like a dream on my Jetstream without the ugly blue and white shroud :)

AlienALX
14-08-17, 12:01 PM
If and a very big if "it's Wccftech news " this is true I am glad I bought a 1080 back in May for £425 and the Gamerock premium bios works like a dream on my Jetstream without the ugly blue and white shroud :)

The source was a Chinese review site. Which has now been taken down it seems.

Edit. Been wondering how it could have possibly been worse than the FE. Then it dawned on me, they bin the FE.

AngryGoldfish
14-08-17, 12:16 PM
From the benchmarks I'm seeing, I'm disappointed. But I also think there are still driver problems. Vega has a lot more compute power than Fiji, yet it's only 15-20% faster. I hope we'll see a performance increase over the next few months, because otherwise Vega 64 will be a disappointment for a lot of gamers. Vega 56 looks good with its overclocking headroom, but it won't be worth spending £400 when I already have a Fury. The jump just won't be worth it.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 12:24 PM
It's actually slower than a Fury X at the same clock. Amazing how well Fury has turned out tbh. Yeah, mine won't be going anywhere now. I am not paying £699 for a 500w guzzler. I really don't hate myself that much.

I mean seriously 500w? is that even safe? I guess we will find out.

AngryGoldfish
14-08-17, 12:27 PM
It's actually slower than a Fury X at the same clock. Amazing how well Fury has turned out tbh. Yeah, mine won't be going anywhere now. I am not paying £699 for a 500w guzzler. I really don't hate myself that much.

I mean seriously 500w? is that even safe? I guess we will find out.

I think AMD are banking on WattMan a lot with Vega. I think they expect users to take advantage of its features to help reign in the ridiculous numbers we're seeing. If I only lose a couple of percent using a different power plan, but I'm saving 50-100W, that'll be worth it.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 12:42 PM
Well they ain't helping themselves any by putting in big red letters that you need a 1000w PSU as soon as you open the box....

Tolemac
14-08-17, 12:48 PM
Angrygoldfish don't be disappointed this could be a wolf in sheeps clothing aka the R9 290x :)

AngryGoldfish
14-08-17, 12:49 PM
Well they ain't helping themselves any by putting in big red letters that you need a 1000w PSU as soon as you open the box....

No, they're not. But they have to say it just in case. They have to be conservative because there will always be someone who doesn't care about power consumption and just wants to push and tweak.

Angrygoldfish don't be disappointed this could be a wolf in sheeps clothing aka the R9 290x :)

With some driver tweaks and some time spent with WattMan, it really good be.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 12:51 PM
Raja before he got his liquid cooled Vega.

http://i.imgur.com/un5CUO7.jpg

AlienALX
14-08-17, 12:57 PM
More news. Gibbo has confirmed they have at least 1000 cards in stock. Good I guess. At least people who want them for gaming might have a chance.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 01:11 PM
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-amd/amd-radeon-rx-vega64-graphics-cards

AngryGoldfish
14-08-17, 01:28 PM
I've just spent the last 15-20 minutes quickly looking through a wide gamut of reviews and Vega 64 is NOT worth £600. A year ago when Vega was announced I expected those kind of prices, but not at the kind of performance we're seeing and with the kind of TDP its been released with. The only redeeming qualities of Vega right now are, to me, Freesync—irrelevant for anyone who already owns a Freesync monitor such as myself—and potential driver improvements and future capability—but that's not enough. I don't think I'll be buying Vega, not for many months. I may not even at all. I may do what Alien and I chatted about a month or so ago and wait for Volta GTX 2080, sell my Freeysnc panel, buy a similar-spec 1440p Gsync panel, and be a lot happier. My new Ryzen PC just got €650 cheaper. What a shame.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 02:02 PM
I am a firm believer in Adaptive Vsync. It's been fantastic for me. I would try that first tbh.

Yeah, Vega sucks. It's even worse than I thought. I really thought when they said it could easily beat a 1080 it would be worth living with. But this is the cold hard truth I was talking about the other day.. The one AMD have been hiding quite blatantly.

Had they not used HBM they could have sold this cheaper. Grr, makes me so angry. Fury X is and was a bloody good card and they wrecked it with the price and then stopped making it.

Seriously if the Fury X had released at £400 it would have smacked Nvidia stupid.

*sigh*. Oh well, let's hope it's AMD's last Fermi.

AngryGoldfish
14-08-17, 02:54 PM
Irrelevant of whether it was economically possible, Fiji should have been:

€500 for AIO Fury X 1050Mhz - slightly behind a 980Ti in all areas of engineering but will grow to surpass it in many games
€450 for air cooled Fury X 1000Mhz - above a 980 overclocked in most games but behind in efficiency
€400 for air cooled Fury 1000Mhz - around 980 overclocked performance in some areas and less in others

That would have given AMD a clear competitive lead in price to performance. The GTX 980 would have been out for 10 months, the Titan XM would have been out for 3 months, and the 980Ti would have been out at the same time.

Compare that to 2017: The GTX 1080 has been out for 15 months, the Titan XP has been out for 12 months, and the 1080Ti has been out for 5 months. Obviously Fiji was not the pipe dream we're talking about, but at least it wasn't so late and wasn't as far behind in efficiency.

AlienALX
14-08-17, 03:17 PM
Yup. I am sure as time went on the Fury would have become easier to produce, too. And that means cheaper. It's so daft that AMD already had a competitor to the 1070 (and a winnner, if it had more VRAM !) yet spunked gawd knows how much money on Vega.

The only thing wrong with the Fury X was the price. It's still very competitive to this day.

:confused:

TheF34RChannel
14-08-17, 03:21 PM
Intel Ice Lake overview (very little)

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/ice-lake/overview.html

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/design/products-and-solutions/processors-and-chipsets/platform-codenames.html

AngryGoldfish
16-08-17, 04:42 PM
Phanteks finally release a metal version of their ITX EVOLV case:

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-ITX-TemperedGlass.html

Dicehunter
16-08-17, 04:43 PM
Phanteks finally release a metal version of their ITX EVOLV case:

http://www.phanteks.com/Enthoo-Evolv-ITX-TemperedGlass.html

I like the style of their cases, Airflow is terrible though.

AngryGoldfish
16-08-17, 04:46 PM
I like the style of their cases, Airflow is terrible though.

In the EVOLV it's poor, yeah. There are ways around it, but I think a redesign is in order. A new range of high-end chassis' from them with both airflow and noise isolation in mind would be awesome.

NeverBackDown
16-08-17, 07:51 PM
Intel announces next generation "Ice Lake" chips and it's 9th generation and 10th generation. Yes. Confusing. Coffee lake is the 8th and Cannon is the 9th. Yet Intel says Ice is 9th.
So Intel continue the trend of screwing up and rushing everything since Ryzen came about and are showing the world it plainly by confusing everybody.

https://www.theverge.com/circuitbreaker/2017/8/16/16156374/intel-ice-lake-coffee-kaby-lake-core-processor-chips-next-generation-8th-9th-cpu

TheF34RChannel
20-08-17, 12:49 AM
8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family (Coffee Lake-S) Possible Retail Pricing and Release Date

- Thanks Sweepr

http://i.imgur.com/MT7wyvr.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/loiDL49.jpg

looz
20-08-17, 02:47 AM
That's better than I anticipated. I'll probably upgrade to 8700K then.

AngryGoldfish
20-08-17, 01:30 PM
I haven't had a chance to watch the video yet, but apparently Gamers Nexus have found that there is a bug with Vega that suggests the 1980Mhz overclock that was achieved was not actually 1980Mhz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBx73n-fgdE

NeverBackDown
20-08-17, 09:45 PM
Microsoft and PUBG now have an extended partnership making Microsoft the official Publisher for the Xbox version of the game.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.xbox.com/2017/08/20/gamescom-2017-playerunknowns-battlegrounds-partnership/amp/

Dicehunter
21-08-17, 01:20 AM
Jurassic Park Operation Genesis is one of my all time favourite games, This is going to be immense !!!!!

Coming summer next year on PC, PS4 and XB1.

wXHSMT69R6A

Dicehunter
21-08-17, 10:44 AM
FF15 finally coming to PC with some impressive new tech -

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WYP
21-08-17, 11:36 AM
FF15 finally coming to PC with some impressive new tech -

h0o3fctwXw0

As much as I want to see this game on PC, I feel that all this GameWorks flash will end up hurting the game in the end. Then again, Nvidia will need a demanding game to sell Volta GPUs...

I just hope all of this GameWorks stuff is well implemented, with none of this overuse of tessellation for no extra visual gain or any other such nonsense that we usually see.

Nvidia needs this to go perfectly, as GameWorks is already a toxic work amongst a large number of PC gamers.

AngryGoldfish
21-08-17, 03:36 PM
A cinematic trailer for Assassin's Creed Origins that makes the game look really exciting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjF6li-QVTU

TheF34RChannel
21-08-17, 05:10 PM
I love how you phrased that goldfish :D

NeverBackDown
22-08-17, 04:28 AM
Age of Empires IV has been announced. Development by Relic Entertainment and being published by MS.
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/21-08-2017-madden-18-player-ratings-best-team

https://youtu.be/RYwZ6GZXWhA

Dicehunter
22-08-17, 05:52 AM
As much as I want to see this game on PC, I feel that all this GameWorks flash will end up hurting the game in the end. Then again, Nvidia will need a demanding game to sell Volta GPUs...

I just hope all of this GameWorks stuff is well implemented, with none of this overuse of tessellation for no extra visual gain or any other such nonsense that we usually see.

Nvidia needs this to go perfectly, as GameWorks is already a toxic work amongst a large number of PC gamers.

It's coming out around the same time their Volta GPU's are expected at so I don't doubt they shoved some tech in there that will perform badly on current Nvidia GPU's but brilliantly on Volta.

AlienALX
22-08-17, 07:42 AM
As much as I want to see this game on PC, I feel that all this GameWorks flash will end up hurting the game in the end. Then again, Nvidia will need a demanding game to sell Volta GPUs...

I just hope all of this GameWorks stuff is well implemented, with none of this overuse of tessellation for no extra visual gain or any other such nonsense that we usually see.

Nvidia needs this to go perfectly, as GameWorks is already a toxic work amongst a large number of PC gamers.

Then hopefully they can understand that the few instances we have seen it in already were shoved in after the game had already been completed. As such it ran like crap.

However, if it were implemented properly? then I feel it will definitely add to a game.

TBH the option is there to turn it all off any way IIRC. But hey, you know what humans are like :D crank it all up then moan that it runs badly.

Dicehunter
22-08-17, 01:27 PM
Corsair Void Pro's coming soon, They didn't listen to any of the feedback from customers about a revised Void model -

m1e3Uru6ckk

SPS
23-08-17, 01:01 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHb5ElEXYCA

WYP
23-08-17, 01:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHb5ElEXYCA

As much as I want to bash this for being yet another release of Skyrim, it is impressive to see it on a handheld at a stable framerate.

I can remember how many issues the old console versions had.

SPS
23-08-17, 01:53 PM
As much as I want to bash this for being yet another release of Skyrim, it is impressive to see it on a handheld at a stable framerate.

I can remember how many issues the old console versions had.

I don't see how you can bash making a game accessible on more platforms, if it was re-released over and over on the same platform then yeah.

I remember when it got announced for the Switch and people thought that it wouldn't work. Hopefully this proves that it can and is not just a cut down section of the entire map.

NeverBackDown
23-08-17, 02:05 PM
Won't get mod support I bet

WYP
23-08-17, 02:48 PM
I don't see how you can bash making a game accessible on more platforms, if it was re-released over and over on the same platform then yeah.

I remember when it got announced for the Switch and people thought that it wouldn't work. Hopefully this proves that it can and is not just a cut down section of the entire map.

I think I should have been a little clearer, more the fact that they are asking full retail price for a game from 2011.

I'm all for more classics coming to Switch, but that is a lot of money for a game that is almost seven years old. Yes, I know that development for new platforms costs money, but it is a lot of money.

SPS
23-08-17, 03:21 PM
I think I should have been a little clearer, more the fact that they are asking full retail price for a game from 2011.

I'm all for more classics coming to Switch, but that is a lot of money for a game that is almost seven years old. Yes, I know that development for new platforms costs money, but it is a lot of money.

Remastered games are usually sold at full price too.

NeverBackDown
24-08-17, 01:31 AM
Remastered games are usually sold at full price too.

While I do agree with you, in this case, Skyrim has been remastered and rereleased so many times that they are just milking it completely. It's more of a cash grab than doing gamers a favor by bringing back a classic game that is STILL played a ton on all current platforms it's on.
I think this is what Mark's issue is. The fact that it's still played and popular they just keep releasing it to milk it.

SPS
24-08-17, 10:26 AM
While I do agree with you, in this case, Skyrim has been remastered and rereleased so many times that they are just milking it completely. It's more of a cash grab than doing gamers a favor by bringing back a classic game that is STILL played a ton on all current platforms it's on.
I think this is what Mark's issue is. The fact that it's still played and popular they just keep releasing it to milk it.

Well I don't agree that is a good enough reason to not bring more games to the Switch though. If I was a Switch owner I'd welcome portable versions of my favourite games.

g0ggles1994
24-08-17, 10:35 AM
Coming from a Switch owner. I'm all for Skyrim coming to it because it proves it can handle massive games if developed right, and I'm all for other games coming. (I for one would kill to see F1 and Metro to come to it.) But I do see where NBD and WYP are coming from with how many times Skyrim has been remastered and released, even I'll say it's a bit stupid by now.

I can't see it selling terribly well though. There's too many players who have sunk so much time in the other versions to even think it's worth starting the game all over again for the sake of portability.

NeverBackDown
24-08-17, 07:55 PM
Final Fantasy XV is getting a.. free Assassin's Creed DLC? Interesting..
More Here (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.polygon.com/platform/amp/2017/8/24/16197848/final-fantasy-15-assassins-creed-festival-dlc-release-date#ampshare=https://www.polygon.com/2017/8/24/16197848/final-fantasy-15-assassins-creed-festival-dlc-release-date)

TheF34RChannel
26-08-17, 09:03 PM
Intel Core i7-8700K Benchmarks Show a 6 Core CPU Blazing Past AMD’s 8 Core Ryzen 7 1700 and Intel’s 6 Core HEDT Core i7-7800X CPU

http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-8700k-cpu-benchmarks-leak-faster-than-8-core-ryzen/

I post this against better judgment, knowing it will bring hate to many but those few genuinely interested; it's for those few :)

AngryGoldfish
26-08-17, 09:07 PM
Why would it bring hate?

russler
26-08-17, 11:15 PM
Personally I cant wait for the 8700k, will be on my to buy list if its priced the same as a 7700k.

TheF34RChannel
27-08-17, 09:33 AM
Why would it bring hate?

Because lately everything Intel brings out people mopping about new boards, price and tim. It's why I stopped posting many things here.

AngryGoldfish
27-08-17, 12:03 PM
Because lately everything Intel brings out people mopping about new boards, price and tim. It's why I stopped posting many things here.

I understand what you mean, but I don't think you should stop posting news about Intel. Those performance numbers are amazing. I'd be tempted by an 8700K if it performs better than an R7 1700 for only €40 more. An R7 1700 comes in at €280-320. If the 8700K beats it in both games and multi-threaded loads for €350, that's not a bad deal, especially considering the limited motherboards for Ryzen. Like I said, I'd be tempted by that. As much as I dislike Intel as a company, I'll buy what I think is right for me and my needs. I won't have to explain myself to others. But if people (including myself) want to criticise, don't let that stop you from posting.

Korreborg
27-08-17, 01:51 PM
Because lately everything Intel brings out people mopping about new boards, price and tim. It's why I stopped posting many things here.

Keep it coming :D I don't get the board rant. 95%+ of all people have their pc for more than 3 years. Most even longer. So the board/PCIe lanes/Tim rant, is just people who want to rant.

I'm tempted by the 8700k ^_^ Like A LOT :D:D
I'm also tempted by the 1700, but the mATX and ITX boards look like crap.
I want something like a strix.

AngryGoldfish
27-08-17, 01:58 PM
Keep it coming :D I don't get the board rant. 95%+ of all people have their pc for more than 3 years. Most even longer. So the board/PCIe lanes/Tim rant, is just people who want to rant.

I'm tempted by the 8700k ^_^ Like A LOT :D:D
I'm also tempted by the 1700, but the mATX and ITX boards look like crap.
I want something like a strix.

This is one of the biggest reasons to go Intel: they have offer more motherboard options for smaller form factors. We know that Ryzen is capable of running at decent overclocks with a small motherboard so why not release them? Are the board manufacturers waiting for the APUs? If so, that could be a while. Why not just get them out now in preparation?

TheF34RChannel
27-08-17, 09:10 PM
What a nice replies, thanks! Okay I will. I was already getting one, and things like this only solidifies my choice.

TheF34RChannel
29-08-17, 10:23 PM
PCI Express 4.0 Standard Coming In 2017 But Will Be Short-lived – PCIe 5.0 Landing in 2019

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/PCI-Express-4-1.png

http://wccftech.com/pci-express-4-0-standard-coming-in-2017-but-will-be-short-lived-pcie-5-0-landing-in-2019/

NeverBackDown
30-08-17, 12:27 AM
PCI Express 4.0 Standard Coming In 2017 But Will Be Short-lived – PCIe 5.0 Landing in 2019

http://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/PCI-Express-4-1.png

http://wccftech.com/pci-express-4-0-standard-coming-in-2017-but-will-be-short-lived-pcie-5-0-landing-in-2019/

Thought this was already known about 5.0? I'm sure we had an article up about it. If not, at least I knew because I saw news about 5.0 coming shortly after 4.0.

I wonder what GPUs will use 4.0? I don't think Volta will. I think Navi will be the first one to use it since it probably won't come out till 2018. Nvidia I expect will be the first one on 5.0 however.

WYP
30-08-17, 08:24 AM
Thought this was already known about 5.0? I'm sure we had an article up about it. If not, at least I knew because I saw news about 5.0 coming shortly after 4.0.

I wonder what GPUs will use 4.0? I don't think Volta will. I think Navi will be the first one to use it since it probably won't come out till 2018. Nvidia I expect will be the first one on 5.0 however.

We already knew about PCIe 5.0, but only the speeds that PCI-SIG are aiming for and its planned 2019 release. This is more of an update that delivers more info on the subject.

HJ1mech
30-08-17, 09:09 AM
I understand what you mean, but I don't think you should stop posting news about Intel. Those performance numbers are amazing. I'd be tempted by an 8700K if it performs better than an R7 1700 for only €40 more. An R7 1700 comes in at €280-320. If the 8700K beats it in both games and multi-threaded loads for €350, that's not a bad deal, especially considering the limited motherboards for Ryzen. Like I said, I'd be tempted by that. As much as I dislike Intel as a company, I'll buy what I think is right for me and my needs. I won't have to explain myself to others. But if people (including myself) want to criticise, don't let that stop you from posting.
I feel the same way. I currently have a Ryzen 7 1700 but am wanting to move to a itx system so the 8700K and a Asus Strix X370i are now firmly on my radar.

AngryGoldfish
30-08-17, 02:09 PM
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/109544-amd-radeon-rx-vega-64-makes-100-loss-msrp-says-report/

As per usual, you can flash the Vega 56 to match or come close to a Vega 64 GPU.

Also, as expected, AMD might be losing approximately $100 per Vega 64 GPU sold, at least until Hynix joins the HBM2 production lineup. AMD not only screwed its GPU fanbase and thus itself indirectly, it also directly screwed itself.

Vipermk2
31-08-17, 05:50 PM
SanDisk Announces 400GB microSD Card for Future Smartphones – Features Massive Capacity and a Massive Price Tag.

https://s26.postimg.org/tur4vth6h/814km7_IN8a_L._SL1500_-1480x1077.jpg


Samsung’s 256GB microSD cards took pride in featuring the largest capacity for cards of such sizes, but their bragging rights have been taken by SanDisk, who has just announced a 400GB microSD card for smartphones and tablets. If that was not good news for you, the company has started taking orders for this high-capacity memory card, but you should take a good look at the price tag before moving on.

Read on Here (http://wccftech.com/sandisk-ultra-400gb-microsd-card-announced/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Wccftechcom+%28WCCFtech.com%2 9)

AlienALX
31-08-17, 08:03 PM
https://www.techpowerup.com/236659/latest-gigabyte-x370-k7-motherboard-bios-broken-dynamic-vcore-up-to-1-7v

Mmm, yummy yummy voltage ! the reason why I will never buy another Gigabyte board.

Eddie long
31-08-17, 08:07 PM
wow that's a whole truck load of voltage , ouch

WYP
31-08-17, 10:03 PM
SanDisk Announces 400GB microSD Card for Future Smartphones – Features Massive Capacity and a Massive Price Tag.

https://s26.postimg.org/tur4vth6h/814km7_IN8a_L._SL1500_-1480x1077.jpg


Samsung’s 256GB microSD cards took pride in featuring the largest capacity for cards of such sizes, but their bragging rights have been taken by SanDisk, who has just announced a 400GB microSD card for smartphones and tablets. If that was not good news for you, the company has started taking orders for this high-capacity memory card, but you should take a good look at the price tag before moving on.

Read on Here (http://wccftech.com/sandisk-ultra-400gb-microsd-card-announced/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Wccftechcom+%28WCCFtech.com%2 9)

I can see people buying this for a Nintendo Switch. How many games can fit onto a single SD card?

https://www.techpowerup.com/236659/latest-gigabyte-x370-k7-motherboard-bios-broken-dynamic-vcore-up-to-1-7v

Mmm, yummy yummy voltage ! the reason why I will never buy another Gigabyte board.

Gigabyte has had voltage problems on a few of their boards now, I remember Tom saying about voltage oddities on the ITX AM4 board that he tested in his review.

Then again this could be misreported voltage in software?

NeverBackDown
02-09-17, 06:20 AM
Very interesting news on Ryzen beating Intel in revenue.
Link (https://www.google.com/amp/wccftech.com/amd-cpu-sales-overtake-intel-first-time-decade-germanys-largest-e-tailer/amp/)

NeverBackDown
03-09-17, 06:16 PM
http://wccftech.com/assassins-creed-origins-1080p60-mode-xb1x/

Ubisoft confirms that AC: Origins will have a 1080p60 mode option if players want smooth gameplay over 4k30 graphical quality. Only confirmed for Xbox One X at the moment.

AngryGoldfish
03-09-17, 08:29 PM
What a novel idea!





























... wait what?

NeverBackDown
03-09-17, 10:10 PM
Vega mining at 43.5MH/s at ~248W Power Draw (http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/#ampshare=http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/)

Not sure how much truth there is to this. Even after the AMD driver update. But they did say they also got these results too.

If this turned out to be true, I would have a dedicated mining rig before you could blink. I'd make profit in less than a month.

Warchild
04-09-17, 08:29 AM
Maybe posted already but one German etailer confirmed they now send more Ryzen CPU than Intel.

Good news for us all

Source (http://wccftech.com/amd-cpu-sales-overtake-intel-first-time-decade-germanys-largest-e-tailer/)

WYP
04-09-17, 08:59 AM
Vega mining at 43.5MH/s at ~248W Power Draw (http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/#ampshare=http://wccftech.com/amd-rx-vega-64-pushed-43-5mhs-130w-mining-ethereum-eclipsing-polaris-efficiency-factor-2x/)

Not sure how much truth there is to this. Even after the AMD driver update. But they did say they also got these results too.

If this turned out to be true, I would have a dedicated mining rig before you could blink. I'd make profit in less than a month.

Yeah, the 248W is just what is alleged to be GPU power draw, with no idle GPU or system power accounted for. Beyond that, similar gains in mining efficiency using any GPU can be achieved using the same methods. The 130W rumour is complete nonsense/hokum.

This is simply moving the GPU further down the efficiency side of the power/performance bell curve. All major miners will do this to lower power consumption.


http://wccftech.com/assassins-creed-origins-1080p60-mode-xb1x/

Ubisoft confirms that AC: Origins will have a 1080p60 mode option if players want smooth gameplay over 4k30 graphical quality. Only confirmed for Xbox One X at the moment.

Interesting. It is nice to see 60FPS modes in games, but the concern will always be how stable it is.

Maybe posted already but one German etailer confirmed they now send more Ryzen CPU than Intel.

Good news for us all

Source (http://wccftech.com/amd-cpu-sales-overtake-intel-first-time-decade-germanys-largest-e-tailer/)

It is interesting, though I wonder how much Intel's drop in sales is due to Ryzen and how much is "wait for Coffee Lake". It will be interesting to see how this develops over time.

NeverBackDown
05-09-17, 01:45 AM
Almost started crying like a little girl watching this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgqz8Je7P0s

I miss Geralt so much. Truly wish they make another Witcher without ruining the series, probably impossible. The ending to Blood and Wine and then watching this truly hits home. Greatest ending and greatest game I ever and will ever play. CDPR created a masterpiece.

On an unemotional note, since this is created by CDPR they did show and hint at certain things. We will never know if it's canon or not, but it's the closest answer we are ever likely to get. I'm going to copy and paste a YT comment(since i would just be writing what he/she said anyway). YT comment was posted by Martin Drake (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPXlIfZNeUrHj6Gkb1iJB0Q)
SPOILER ALERT IF YOU DIDN'T FINISH THE GAME
-Ciri became a Witcher. ( she moves very homey, and acts like she is living there with Geralt and the others, plus Geralt has a brown Roach, which means he and Ciri never visited Emhyr. So she can't be an Empress anyway.)

-I believe, Geralt didn't end up with Yen or Triss. ("Regis usually broughts ingredients for Triss" and the sentence "they grab Yennefer and lock themselves in her lab" is refers that they all lives in Corvo Bianco, or nearby.)

-As for the other characters, Keira and Lambert lives. The Baron lives, which means the children died sadly. Sarah and Johnny moved to Toussaint as well. Ves was saved. Anna Henrietta and her sister lives, and Olgierd too. Roach is still glitching. Everyone is happy 

NeverBackDown
06-09-17, 10:16 PM
Threadripper's Story (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/09/05/amd-ryzen-threadripper-the-fascinating-story-behind-the-processor-that-beat-intel/amp/#ampshare=https://www.forbes.com/sites/antonyleather/2017/09/05/amd-ryzen-threadripper-the-fascinating-story-behind-the-processor-that-beat-intel/)

This is a pretty interesting article on TR. On it's inception and how it didn't even exist until a year before launch. It's pretty lengthy. But I enjoyed it.

AngryGoldfish
06-09-17, 11:05 PM
Yeah, I think even AMD were surprised at how well Ryzen performs and how scalable it is. It's like you said months ago, Threadripper was never announced.

NeverBackDown
06-09-17, 11:20 PM
Yeah, I think even AMD were surprised at how well Ryzen performs and how scalable it is. It's like you said months ago, Threadripper was never announced.

Yep and now we know why it was never announced. Let alone that it was pretty cheap to get into the new CPU lineup, they and there board partners are more than likely reaping in large profit margins. Which I am okay with. AMD needs to profit A LOT as we all know and we need as many board partners as possible to keep the AMD ecosystem afloat.

AlienALX
07-09-17, 08:58 AM
Apparently memory prices will continue to increase until at least end of 2018.

Not what you want to see when drinking your morning tea/coffee but there you go.

AlienALX
08-09-17, 08:33 AM
South Park TFBW gets harder if you choose a black character.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-07-south-park-the-fractured-but-whole-difficulty-slider-changes-the-colour-of-your-skin

Warchild
08-09-17, 10:11 AM
South Park TFBW gets harder if you choose a black character.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-07-south-park-the-fractured-but-whole-difficulty-slider-changes-the-colour-of-your-skin

I think its the other way around. Changing difficulty darkens the skin. Same thing really but controversially close to real life maybe?

WYP
08-09-17, 10:14 AM
I think its the other way around. Changing difficulty darkens the skin. Same thing really but controversially close to real life maybe?

Yeah, but I don't see South Park fans caring. I don't think this will harm sales, it might actually help them by reminding more South Park fans that the game exists.

Is this more or less controversial than the "Jew Class" in the previous game and the many other antics that occurred in it?

Warchild
08-09-17, 10:16 AM
Yeah, but I don't see South Park fans caring. I don't think this will harm sales, it might actually help them by reminding more South Park fans that the game exists.

Is this more or less controversial than the "Jew Class" in the previous game and the many other antics that occurred in it?

Oh god no. It won't harm sales at all. I think the opposite infact. We all know South Park borderlines on lawsuit material. This is just another one to get us interested. I'lll be picking it up for sure. Loved the Stick of Truth.

AngryGoldfish
08-09-17, 11:30 AM
I loved the premise of The Stick of Truth, and it made me laugh a lot, but I found the game kinda boring after 15 hours. It became incredibly repetitive. Plus I'm not really a big RPG guy. Never have been.

AlienALX
08-09-17, 12:28 PM
I loved Stick Of Truth...

The parody is apparently the truth in the USA. If you are black you have to work harder and make less money doing so. So that is why the difficulty gets harder the darker your skin gets. So it's hardly racist. If anything it's the truth, and it should be made clear tbh.

NeverBackDown
12-09-17, 08:58 PM
Oh this is interesting. Surprised I didn't catch this earlier
http://wccftech.com/the-witcher-3-playstation-4-pro-patch-released-within-days-xbox-one-x-support-coming-end-year/

TheF34RChannel
13-09-17, 08:41 PM
RUMOR: NVIDIA preparing GeForce GTX 1070 Ti

"I will just say it once, I don’t know if this is true. No one seems to be able to confirm it (yet). The story is that NVIDIA is allegedly working on a new GTX 1070 Ti graphics card with few more cores. According to the rumor, the new card would have 2304 CUDA cores (which I find hard to believe because it would very close to 1080 and the gap is not really that big). So as much as I love making charts for specs comparison, I think it’s too early to make one here."

https://videocardz.com/72531/rumor-nvidia-preparing-geforce-gtx-1070-ti

Dicehunter
13-09-17, 08:48 PM
So Corsair are releasing an RGB headphone stand with built in audio DAC and 2 x USB 3.0's -

https://image.prntscr.com/image/agcE8k_QS92lGCYHUGblXw.png

g0ggles1994
13-09-17, 09:05 PM
So Corsair are releasing an RGB headphone stand with built in audio DAC and 2 x USB 3.0's -

https://image.prntscr.com/image/agcE8k_QS92lGCYHUGblXw.png

While I am on board with the DAC and USBs but RGB? Even I'll say it's time for this to end

Thelosouvlakia
14-09-17, 07:54 AM
Raja will be taking a break after the Vega Release will -probably- be back in December, until then Lisa Su will be the head of RadeonTechGroup
https://videocardz.com/72498/raja-koduri-is-taking-a-3-month-break-from-rtg

AlienALX
14-09-17, 10:30 AM
When does yours arrive Dice? :D

NeverBackDown
14-09-17, 04:30 PM
Damnit I'm not eligible!:(
Free Upgrade from Nexus 6p to Pixel XL! (https://www.google.com/amp/www.androidauthority.com/google-offering-pixel-xl-eligible-nexus-6p-owners-800351/amp/#ampshare=http://www.androidauthority.com/google-offering-pixel-xl-eligible-nexus-6p-owners-800351/)

Only works if you bought the phone from Google and are having boot loop issues

Dicehunter
14-09-17, 08:56 PM
When does yours arrive Dice? :D

My Corsair headphone stand ? When they release it ^_^

I like the idea of having a headphone stand with built in USB hub, Plus it's somewhere to put my wireless Void Pro's when not in use :)


On a side note, Gears of War 4 is free to play for 10 hours for the next 7 days as well as being on sale for £21.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-GB/store/p/gears-of-war-4/9nblggh4pbbm?rtc=2&wa=wsignin1.0

NeverBackDown
14-09-17, 09:54 PM
Some pretty cool new features and tech for the Xbox family.
Eurogamer (https://www.google.com/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/digitalfoundry-2017-new-xbox-tech-cuts-down-install-sizes-and-reduces-download-times#ampshare=http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2017-new-xbox-tech-cuts-down-install-sizes-and-reduces-download-times)

HJ1mech
15-09-17, 07:07 PM
Damnit I'm not eligible!:(
Free Upgrade from Nexus 6p to Pixel XL! (https://www.google.com/amp/www.androidauthority.com/google-offering-pixel-xl-eligible-nexus-6p-owners-800351/amp/#ampshare=http://www.androidauthority.com/google-offering-pixel-xl-eligible-nexus-6p-owners-800351/)

Only works if you bought the phone from Google and are having boot loop issues

Yea me either. My 6P is dead with the battery issue and can't do anything with it cause it wasn't bought from Google

TalllPaul
15-09-17, 07:11 PM
HP exploits firmware update to make its printers reject third-party ink - AGAIN

http://www.techradar.com/news/hp-exploits-firmware-update-to-make-its-printers-reject-third-party-ink

NeverBackDown
16-09-17, 12:15 AM
Yea me either. My 6P is dead with the battery issue and can't do anything with it cause it wasn't bought from Google

My Nexus 5x had this issue that I bought from Google. Only if they could let that be eligible too.
I had to buy my 6p from someone other than Google because they don't stock them anymore. Kinda BS if you ask me.

HJ1mech
16-09-17, 10:19 PM
My Nexus 5x had this issue that I bought from Google. Only if they could let that be eligible too.
I had to buy my 6p from someone other than Google because they don't stock them anymore. Kinda BS if you ask me.

Yep it is. I bought mine from someone else because they took the 6P off the store right when the Pixel....I mean Nexus 2.0 debuted. It's crap they aren't taking care of this for everyone.

Wraith
17-09-17, 09:30 AM
HP exploits firmware update to make its printers reject third-party ink - AGAIN

http://www.techradar.com/news/hp-exploits-firmware-update-to-make-its-printers-reject-third-party-ink

Either go Canon or Brother Design Jet Pro and use a continueous ink system, HP are infamous for screwing over the public with either ink or rigging print counters to render the printer useless after so many thousand prints.

Greenback
17-09-17, 10:08 AM
Either go Canon or Brother Design Jet Pro and use a continueous ink system, HP are infamous for screwing over the public with either ink or rigging print counters to render the printer useless after so many thousand prints.

I went to Google and put Brother printers design jet pro, it took 6 pages to get past HP printers HP must pay google loads

Wraith
17-09-17, 10:49 AM
I went to Google and put Brother printers design jet pro, it took 6 pages to get past HP printers HP must pay google loads

When I was self employed google used to ring me every month to ask if I wanted "Assured first page hits" only £400 a month!!?

AlienALX
17-09-17, 10:59 AM
When I was self employed google used to ring me every month to ask if I wanted "Assured first page hits" only £400 a month!!?

Yup my mate is in the removals business and was hell bent on having a web page. They charged him £460 a month. Crazy brah.

AngryGoldfish
18-09-17, 03:40 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet on OC3D (though I could have missed it).

Z390 supposedly will support an 8-core i7 mainstream CPU later in 2018 and could possibly be using the 10nm process from the Ice-Lake family.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mystery-solved-z390-chipset-will-support-intel-8-core-processors.html

WYP
18-09-17, 03:47 PM
I'm surprised this hasn't been mentioned yet on OC3D (though I could have missed it).

Z390 supposedly will support an 8-core i7 mainstream CPU later in 2018 and could possibly be using the 10nm process from the Ice-Lake family.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/mystery-solved-z390-chipset-will-support-intel-8-core-processors.html

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/eurocom_rep_states_that_intel_s_x390_chipset_will_ support_8c_16th_cpus/1

ATM the only info is the 8c/16th part. The 10nm and Ice Lake stuff is speculation. Though the smaller 10nm node will help fit 8 cores onto a small die.

TheF34RChannel
19-09-17, 11:45 AM
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/eurocom_rep_states_that_intel_s_x390_chipset_will_ support_8c_16th_cpus/1

ATM the only info is the 8c/16th part. The 10nm and Ice Lake stuff is speculation. Though the smaller 10nm node will help fit 8 cores onto a small die.

Nah it being Ice Lake is accurate, Mark - trust me ;)

NeverBackDown
19-09-17, 11:30 PM
Some pretty interesting stuff is happening to Windows. Going to become overhauled under the hood to a more component like structure to better optimize and streamline Windows for all devices. Meaning for example there will only be one version of Windows 10(there's two now) so companies like mobile hardware makers or even low end PCs, can choose the components needed or necessary (to their needs) to allow a smaller footprint or faster OS. First coming to Windows 10 mobile, as it was built with this new component system more in mind than 10 desktop was, expecting it to come out in 2018 than afterwards more people will work on 10 desktop

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.windowscentral.com/andromeda-os%3famp#ampshare=https://www.windowscentral.com/andromeda-os

TheF34RChannel
20-09-17, 10:23 AM
Some pretty interesting stuff is happening to Windows. Going to become overhauled under the hood to a more component like structure to better optimize and streamline Windows for all devices. Meaning for example there will only be one version of Windows 10(there's two now) so companies like mobile hardware makers or even low end PCs, can choose the components needed or necessary (to their needs) to allow a smaller footprint or faster OS. First coming to Windows 10 mobile, as it was built with this new component system more in mind than 10 desktop was, expecting it to come out in 2018 than afterwards more people will work on 10 desktop

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.windowscentral.com/andromeda-os%3famp#ampshare=https://www.windowscentral.com/andromeda-os

If it fixes the FPS loss I'm happy because losing 10 is unacceptable (in certain games) to me.

HJ1mech
20-09-17, 04:52 PM
Looks like Intel has delayed Cannon lake to end of 2018.
http://wccftech.com/intel-delays-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-end-2018/

NeverBackDown
20-09-17, 06:22 PM
If it fixes the FPS loss I'm happy because losing 10 is unacceptable (in certain games) to me.

Pretty sure that's on your end then. Because when Win 10 first came out many people reported either no difference or improved performance. It's been getting better too.

Korreborg
20-09-17, 06:45 PM
http://trendingnewsworld.com/index.php/2017/09/20/nvidia-new-1070ti-finally-confirmed-gigabyte-posted-on-facebook-page/

1070ti "confirmed"

g0ggles1994
20-09-17, 07:06 PM
Looks like Intel has delayed Cannon lake to end of 2018.
http://wccftech.com/intel-delays-10nm-cannon-lake-cpus-end-2018/

Ha. Ha. Ha.

http://trendingnewsworld.com/index.php/2017/09/20/nvidia-new-1070ti-finally-confirmed-gigabyte-posted-on-facebook-page/

1070ti "confirmed"

Cash grab is all I can say. Don't see much of a point with this.

Bartacus
20-09-17, 07:13 PM
Yeah I don't get that either. Where does that fit in the lineup? I don't get it.

HJ1mech
20-09-17, 07:44 PM
AMD moving Ryzen and Vega to 12nm process next year.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-vega-12nm-lp-2018,35502.html

NeverBackDown
20-09-17, 07:58 PM
Warhammer 2 FLC.
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/mortal-empires
It's been announced before. Just a new name but much more details about what it is and how it works.

AlienALX
20-09-17, 08:26 PM
Yeah I don't get that either. Where does that fit in the lineup? I don't get it.

It sits right above Vega 56 is where it sits. Right now it's a close call between the 56 and 1070, with the 56 mostly winning when overclocked. You didn't think Nvidia would take that lying down did you dude?

NeverBackDown
20-09-17, 09:34 PM
It sits right above Vega 56 is where it sits. Right now it's a close call between the 56 and 1070, with the 56 mostly winning when overclocked. You didn't think Nvidia would take that lying down did you dude?

This begs the question of...
How did Nvidia know Vega 56 would be in between a 1070 and 1080? :eek:

Korreborg
20-09-17, 10:11 PM
This begs the question of...
How did Nvidia know Vega 56 would be in between a 1070 and 1080? :eek:

1. Leaked products.
2. They didn't, and have made it afterwards.

It's not hard to make. Both 1070 and 1080 are GP104, so just make a GP104 with a core count that matches the performance you want.

Same as the vaga 56. Take a 64 and disable some cores, but make sure it still beats the 1070.
I believe this is the reason why 56 and 64 are so close in performance. Vega 64 is what it is, a bad card that could not beat the 1080 thoroughly, but AMD needed to beat the 1070, so that places the cards rather close.
And now we get a card right in the middle. Stupid idea.

NeverBackDown
20-09-17, 11:06 PM
1. Leaked products.
2. They didn't, and have made it afterwards.

It's not hard to make. Both 1070 and 1080 are GP104, so just make a GP104 with a core count that matches the performance you want.

Same as the vaga 56. Take a 64 and disable some cores, but make sure it still beats the 1070.
I believe this is the reason why 56 and 64 are so close in performance. Vega 64 is what it is, a bad card that could not beat the 1080 thoroughly, but AMD needed to beat the 1070, so that places the cards rather close.
And now we get a card right in the middle. Stupid idea.

Lol you do know it takes much longer than a couple months to make a GPU right? They likely started this no less than 6 months ago.

g0ggles1994
20-09-17, 11:57 PM
Lol you do know it takes much longer than a couple months to make a GPU right? They likely started this no less than 6 months ago.

I'd hazard a guess that they've had it ready for a while and waited to see what Vega was like before going ahead with producing it. Wouldn't surprise me if they've got a GTX 1090 design hidden away as well.

NeverBackDown
21-09-17, 01:09 AM
I'd hazard a guess that they've had it ready for a while and waited to see what Vega was like before going ahead with producing it. Wouldn't surprise me if they've got a GTX 1090 design hidden away as well.

Yep. Basically what I was thinking. Kinda sucks for me though. Just bought a 1080. Would have rather spent a little less and gotten a 1070ti.

Korreborg
21-09-17, 08:52 AM
Lol you do know it takes much longer than a couple months to make a GPU right? They likely started this no less than 6 months ago.
But they have the GPU.
The GP104 have 20 streaming processors.
The 1070 have 15 out of 20 processors enabled.
So how hard can it be to make one with 17 or 18?
Same pcb and cooler.

AlienALX
21-09-17, 10:36 AM
1. Leaked products.
2. They didn't, and have made it afterwards.

It's not hard to make. Both 1070 and 1080 are GP104, so just make a GP104 with a core count that matches the performance you want.

Same as the vaga 56. Take a 64 and disable some cores, but make sure it still beats the 1070.
I believe this is the reason why 56 and 64 are so close in performance. Vega 64 is what it is, a bad card that could not beat the 1080 thoroughly, but AMD needed to beat the 1070, so that places the cards rather close.
And now we get a card right in the middle. Stupid idea.

If some one as menial as me could predict 1070 using the info from ages ago then I am sure Nvidia would have known what to expect. But either way Nvidia plan a lot of Ti cards. They started out as a card that was not supposed to ever come out but did because AMD did something neat. Kinda like the 560Ti

Hopefully this will see a drop in price now for the 1070.

HJ1mech
21-09-17, 05:17 PM
If this is true then Intel has lost it's collective mind.
https://videocardz.com/72775/intel-preps-dual-core-i3-7360x-for-x299-but-why
An i3 on X299....

TheF34RChannel
22-09-17, 09:59 AM
Asus boards

https://videocardz.com/72801/asus-z370-motherboards-leaked

g0ggles1994
22-09-17, 10:26 AM
If this is true then Intel has lost it's collective mind.
https://videocardz.com/72775/intel-preps-dual-core-i3-7360x-for-x299-but-why
An i3 on X299....

I have no words....

Its probably because they're losing HEDT to ThreadRipper so they're trying to fill the gap with cheaper components but HEDT dual core? They're 15 years late on that

Korreborg
22-09-17, 01:03 PM
If this is true then Intel has lost it's collective mind.
https://videocardz.com/72775/intel-preps-dual-core-i3-7360x-for-x299-but-why
An i3 on X299....

Its just for extreme OC.

WYP
22-09-17, 01:48 PM
Asus boards

https://videocardz.com/72801/asus-z370-motherboards-leaked

The initial article that VCZ sources here has been removed. TBH if this is a real product Intel has lost their marbles.

AngryGoldfish
22-09-17, 02:49 PM
An absolutely massive MSI 1080Ti has been pictured.

https://videocardz.com/72764/msi-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-trio

AlienALX
22-09-17, 02:53 PM
An absolutely massive MSI 1080Ti has been pictured.

https://videocardz.com/72764/msi-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-trio

That's glorious. Before I got my XP I would have scoffed at that, but now I know what a fireball they can be that thing has definitely got my juices flowing.

AngryGoldfish
22-09-17, 03:02 PM
The sag will be real.

Dicehunter
23-09-17, 12:17 PM
Crossfire is being retired -

http://wccftech.com/amd-bids-farewell-to-crossfire-mgpu/

AngryGoldfish
23-09-17, 12:39 PM
Yeah, it makes sense to distance themselves from the term CrossFire as quickly as possible as like SLI it's a dying technology. I can see Nvidia holding onto it for longer though as they're more in the DX11 space still and actually sell to SLI enthusiasts.

Warchild
24-09-17, 09:24 AM
An absolutely massive MSI 1080Ti has been pictured.

https://videocardz.com/72764/msi-announces-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-gaming-x-trio

I actually dont think its as big as people believe. Look at the power connectors and you will see those are blown up too. I think its been taken by a someone with small hands and blown up to exaggerate its size via macro lens etc.

Yeah its bigger than the lightning, but not much looking at the side by side comparison.

What gets me, is they make such beautiful fan coolers but are rarely seen due to the normalised rotation of having gpus face down. We need more inverse cases to hit the market.

AngryGoldfish
24-09-17, 12:54 PM
I would say that bigger than a Lightning is a massive card since the Lightning is one of the biggest cards you can get. It's an MSI Gaming with an extra 80mm fan added on. That's big enough to be called massive in the grand scheme of things. But that's just my opinion.

AngryGoldfish
24-09-17, 01:47 PM
Vega 11 might have names for its respective SKUs: Vega 28 and Vega 32. 4GB of HBM2 may be used.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-might-replace-rx-500-cards-with-rx-vega-32-and-28.html

AlienALX
24-09-17, 01:53 PM
4gb and HBM2 do not belong in the same sentence, IMO. HBM2 really has no place on Vega as it is, but supplying too little at a stupid cost is even more moronic.

AngryGoldfish
24-09-17, 02:07 PM
4gb and HBM2 do not belong in the same sentence, IMO. HBM2 really has no place on Vega as it is, but supplying too little at a stupid cost is even more moronic.

It'll be a hard sell, yeah. Their marketing needs to be absolute and on point. Otherwise people are going to do the age old trick of using mathematics to decide performance. I think it has potential to work (that's one of the reasons why HBCC exists), but like I said they're going to need to market the bananas out of it to reassure consumers that 4GB of HBM2 with the HBC controller will be enough—if it will be.

HJ1mech
24-09-17, 08:56 PM
Vega 11 might have names for its respective SKUs: Vega 28 and Vega 32. 4GB of HBM2 may be used.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-might-replace-rx-500-cards-with-rx-vega-32-and-28.html

I don't see this going well for them

TheF34RChannel
25-09-17, 06:16 AM
Intel Unveils the 8th Gen Intel Core Processor Family for Desktop, Featuring Intel’s Best Gaming Processor Ever

"SANTA CLARA, Calif., Sept. 24, 2017 – Intel today announced that its new family of 8th Gen Intel Core desktop processors will be available for purchase beginning Oct. 5, 2017."

https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-unveils-8th-gen-intel-core-processor-family-desktop/

TheF34RChannel
25-09-17, 03:05 PM
First review of Intel Core i7-8700K leaks out

"Intel Core i7-8700K is 42% faster in multi-threaded applications vs. 7700K"

https://videocardz.com/72915/first-review-of-intel-core-i7-8700k-leaks-out

Far from ideal test setup though: lol @ 2400 RAM & 1080 instead of 720p resolution.

NeverBackDown
26-09-17, 08:28 AM
Microsoft is introducing a Quantum Computing language later this year via it's Visual Studio IDE. Borrows some similarities with Python(because of course this is everywhere!), C#, and F#.
Will have two simulators, one local version for running up to 32qubits of processing power (remember this is not the same as a 32bit windows) and need no less than 32GB of ram. The other being powered by Azure.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/fossbytes.com/microsoft-new-programming-language-for-quantum-computers/amp/#ampshare=https://fossbytes.com/microsoft-new-programming-language-for-quantum-computers/

Looking at the image from the source provided from MS, seems like a pretty advanced language, for obvious reasons. I only have basic C++ knowledge but I only understand about 1 line of code in that picture:p

TheF34RChannel
26-09-17, 08:38 PM
Intel unveils Loihi self-learning neuromorphic chip

"Intel has announced it is doubling down in the field of artificial intelligence, launching a test platform dubbed Loihi which it describes as a self-learning neuromorphic chip aimed at allowing machines to think and learn more like people."

http://m.bit-tech.net/news/tech/cpus/intel-unveils-loihi-self-learning-neuromorphic-chip/1/

Dicehunter
26-09-17, 09:22 PM
Available shortly to purchase :D

PGaDVeGPgrQ

AngryGoldfish
27-09-17, 02:14 PM
Gigabyte is apparently focusing on the 1070Ti (more confirmation?) and will not be making (at least right now) an RV Vega 64 card. Vega 56 might still happen though.

https://videocardz.com/newz/gigabyte-says-no-to-custom-radeon-rx-vega-64


ALSO

Ryzen on 12nm (14nm++) could arrive in February.

http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-to-launch-12nm-ryzen-in-february.html

Dicehunter
29-09-17, 08:36 PM
Vega 64 beating a 1080 Ti in Forza 7 at maximum settings + 8xMSAA due to Vega specific hardware features not present in current Nvidia hardware at both 1080P and 1440P with 4K being a very close call between the 1080 Ti and Vega 64.

https://i.imgur.com/3osDjWd.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JTceqDU.png

https://i.imgur.com/2ySnxCg.jpg




The AMD rep AMDMatt posted it on the OCUK forums, Link to the actual benchmark - https://www.computerbase.de/2017-09/forza-7-benchmark/2/#abschnitt_grafikkartenbenchmarks_von_full_hd_bis_ ultra_hd

Apparently this can be implemented in every game, It's just up to the dev to put in the work.

Either Nvidia are going to complain to the dev studios to patch in a plethora of Gameworks or Nvidia are going to release Volta a lot earlier because a competitor beats them in 1 game ^_^

AlienALX
29-09-17, 09:03 PM
I'm sure Nvidia won't be too worried yet. This is what will happen eventually though as we move into the future. This is why AMD have invested so much time into the consoles.

The problem is that one game is not enough, and by the time it's all games we will have moved on. AMD could have been beating Nvidia like this pants down since the 7970. That is what GCN is all about. Sadly though like you say, unless it is fully utilised it's useless. And by the time it's useful Nvidia will have their massively cored cards out.

AngryGoldfish
29-09-17, 09:50 PM
I suspected some games (Far Cry 5 and the new Wolfenstein might also see wins for Vega), but not by that much. Of course, by the time I'll get round to those games, Navi and Volta will be out.

Dark NighT
30-09-17, 01:17 PM
Ohhh Ubisoft.. Only ubisoft does this kind of crazy stuff.

http://www.pcgamer.com/assassins-creed-origins-is-getting-18-karat-gold-headphones-that-cost-60000/

Dicehunter
30-09-17, 02:32 PM
Ohhh Ubisoft.. Only ubisoft does this kind of crazy stuff.

http://www.pcgamer.com/assassins-creed-origins-is-getting-18-karat-gold-headphones-that-cost-60000/

For that price I'd rather buy a Sennheiser Orpheus.

NeverBackDown
03-10-17, 02:59 AM
Disney has restored multiplayer support for Star Wars Battlefront 2(2005)!
Upto 64 players and cross platform (Steam/GOG) can join in the same servers together:)

http://media.moddb.com/images/games/1/1/144/bft2_box.jpg
http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/10/03/disney-restores-2005-star-wars-battlefront-2-multiplayer-on-pc

Oh and it's a 3.4GB download on Steam as well as Steam has now changed the name to "Star Wars: Battlefront 2 (Classic, 2005) in your library

AlienALX
03-10-17, 12:40 PM
Some 1600X users are getting a nice surprise. They are finding they actually have 8 fully working cores. No unlocks needed.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpus-8-working-cores-spotted-wild/

AngryGoldfish
03-10-17, 01:14 PM
Some 1600X users are getting a nice surprise. They are finding they actually have 8 fully working cores. No unlocks needed.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpus-8-working-cores-spotted-wild/

It somewhat reiterates how easy Ryzen is to produce if they can sell an 8-core for €230 that matches a CPU two years ago would have cost upwards of €1000 from the competitor.

Bartacus
03-10-17, 01:22 PM
Some 1600X users are getting a nice surprise. They are finding they actually have 8 fully working cores. No unlocks needed.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpus-8-working-cores-spotted-wild/

This tweaks my tinfoil hat! So that particular CPU is on sale everywhere at the moment, and now we see a story leading us to believe if you grab one, you might get lucky and get an 1800x instead. Something foul is afoot! Sounds like a bait story to me.

Greenback
03-10-17, 01:30 PM
This tweaks my tinfoil hat! So that particular CPU is on sale everywhere at the moment, and now we see a story leading us to believe if you grab one, you might get lucky and get an 1800x instead. Something foul is afoot! Sounds like a bait story to me.


Funny I just read the 1600x reduced price today and then read this and had the same tinfoil hat moment

AngryGoldfish
03-10-17, 01:38 PM
The 1600X has been €220-240 for ages now—I bought mine for €235 from a German retailer. That's about £195-205 depending on currency exchange so it could be just a coincidence. Also AMD are reportedly moving manufacturing to 12nm. Maybe they're trying to move remaining 14nm stock and happen to sell more 1600/1600X's.

WYP
03-10-17, 01:42 PM
Some 1600X users are getting a nice surprise. They are finding they actually have 8 fully working cores. No unlocks needed.

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-5-1600x-cpus-8-working-cores-spotted-wild/

I'm pretty sure I saw this a few weeks back. TBH it just looks like somebody did a few edits in the right places and spoofed it.

I certain version of hardware monitor that gave -ve temperatures comes to mind, something to do with 100 fans on an H100.

Dicehunter
04-10-17, 06:40 AM
White Corsair Vengeance RGB incoming for the white build fans, Should make Tom happy :)

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeancergb?utm_content=Magento&utm_source=VerticalResponse&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=vengeance_white_02_mini%2Ejpg&utm_campaign=Meet%20The%20New%20VENGEANCE%20RGB%20 DDR4%20-%20Stunning%20RGB%2E%20Striking%20Speed%2E


http://corsair.com/~/media/D51BACF7D99E45AFA9C1E1A6677696FC.ashx

Warchild
04-10-17, 06:43 AM
White Corsair Vengeance RGB incoming for the white build fans, Should make Tom happy :)

http://www.corsair.com/en-gb/vengeancergb?utm_content=Magento&utm_source=VerticalResponse&utm_medium=Email&utm_term=vengeance_white_02_mini%2Ejpg&utm_campaign=Meet%20The%20New%20VENGEANCE%20RGB%20 DDR4%20-%20Stunning%20RGB%2E%20Striking%20Speed%2E


http://corsair.com/~/media/D51BACF7D99E45AFA9C1E1A6677696FC.ashx

quite a hideous design actually :blink:
I dont think RGB lighting suits white sticks as well as black sticks. Even then, to slap the vengeance logo where it is makes it obtruse.

AngryGoldfish
04-10-17, 07:16 PM
Yeah, I'm with Warchild, they are not attractive looking RAM modules, not to me. They look like cheap Star Wars kids toys from an Argos catalogue.

Bartacus
04-10-17, 09:17 PM
I'm starting to think the B in RGB stands for barf. I don't like them either.

Tolemac
04-10-17, 09:48 PM
I'm starting to think the B in RGB stands for barf. I don't like them either.

I just call them "Flashy Lights" but that's my own opinion I wouldn't want an Amusement Arcade in my room ^_^

NeverBackDown
06-10-17, 03:39 AM
Ubisoft detailed the system requirements for AC:Origins
http://blog.ubi.com/assassins-creed-origins-pc-specs-system-requirements-revealed/

http://blog.ubi.com/app/uploads/2017/10/aco_screen_warelephant_previews_1506632377.jpg?x49 516

Essentially the specs are identical to Syndicate.

MINIMUM CONFIGURATION

OS: Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only)
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i5-2400s @ 2.5 GHz or AMD FX-6350 @ 3.9 GHz or equivalent
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 660 or AMD R9 270 (2048 MB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0 or better)
SYSTEM RAM: 6GB
Resolution: 720p
Video Preset: Lowest

RECOMMENDED CONFIGURATION

OS: Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only)
PROCESSOR: Intel Core i7- 3770 @ 3.5 GHz or AMD FX-8350 @ 4.0 GHz
VIDEO CARD: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 or AMD R9 280X (3GB VRAM with Shader Model 5.0 or better)
SYSTEM RAM: 8GB
Resolution: 1080p
Video Preset: High

AngryGoldfish
06-10-17, 09:58 AM
Well, I guess that's an improvement. Since Syndicate was out cards have become more powerful. It's been two years since Syndicate and Pascal and Vega are now out.

The most important thing is it's a good game that doesn't have loads of bugs. Unity and Syndicate are gorgeous to look at so I don't mind that they were hard to run.

WYP
06-10-17, 10:17 AM
Well, I guess that's an improvement. Since Syndicate was out cards have become more powerful. It's been two years since Syndicate and Pascal and Vega are now out.

The most important thing is it's a good game that doesn't have loads of bugs. Unity and Syndicate are gorgeous to look at so I don't mind that they were hard to run.

Also note the changes to the game though, no more insane NPC counts like in Unity and Syndicate. To say the least there is less going on on screen, which will help the game run better.

It will be interesting to see how the game looks on all platforms, Xbox One VS Xbox One X etc.

One of the big problems with the last two games, especially Unity on consoles, was the lack of raw CPU performance on both platforms. It is pretty clear that the game was developed with the idea of stronger consoles in mind, Ubisoft were no doubt disappointed in the specs of the PS4 and Xbox One at launch.

As for the PC system requirements, the easy thing to say is that the hardware baseline for the game is unchanged (Xbox One Specs), so a huge increase in PC's minimum system requirements is not expected. Resolution and framerate targets might, but the base specs will remain similar.

Dicehunter
06-10-17, 10:21 AM
quite a hideous design actually :blink:
I dont think RGB lighting suits white sticks as well as black sticks. Even then, to slap the vengeance logo where it is makes it obtruse.

Yeah, I'm with Warchild, they are not attractive looking RAM modules, not to me. They look like cheap Star Wars kids toys from an Argos catalogue.

I'm starting to think the B in RGB stands for barf. I don't like them either.

I just call them "Flashy Lights" but that's my own opinion I wouldn't want an Amusement Arcade in my room ^_^

All valid points and in my humble opinion for white styled products such as these, The grating along the top needs to have a different design, The black sticks looks great regardless of LED colour but the white ones need a different top design, Maybe Corsair can bring some replaceable tops out seeing as you can just slide them off.

As said, Because the tops of the Vengeance RGB memory simply slides off, Corsair could bring replaceable tops out just like they have for the Dominator Platinums.

Something a bit more solid like this would look better IMO.


https://i.imgur.com/E5ym3rQ.jpg



Well, I guess that's an improvement. Since Syndicate was out cards have become more powerful. It's been two years since Syndicate and Pascal and Vega are now out.

The most important thing is it's a good game that doesn't have loads of bugs. Unity and Syndicate are gorgeous to look at so I don't mind that they were hard to run.

Still haven't completed Black Flag since my save got wiped due to a bug and only played 30 minutes of Unity and Syndicate, Although I do want to go through them as I really like the AC series.

AngryGoldfish
06-10-17, 10:34 AM
Also note the changes to the game though, no more insane NPC counts like in Unity and Syndicate. To say the least there is less going on on screen, which will help the game run better.

It will be interesting to see how the game looks on all platforms, Xbox One VS Xbox One X etc.

One of the big problems with the last two games, especially Unity on consoles, was the lack of raw CPU performance on both platforms. It is pretty clear that the game was developed with the idea of stronger consoles in mind, Ubisoft were no doubt disappointed in the specs of the PS4 and Xbox One at launch.

As for the PC system requirements, the easy thing to say is that the hardware baseline for the game is unchanged (Xbox One Specs), so a huge increase in PC's minimum system requirements is not expected. Resolution and framerate targets might, but the base specs will remain similar.

Yeah, the inclusion of enormous amounts of NPCs didn't really impress me about the earlier AC games. It's fine in one or two places at one particular time to see large crowds—just to witness the scale of it and be immersed—but to have it in every open square takes away from the majesty of it. I remember when Hitman Blood Money came out and there was one map where you had a lot of NPCs on the screen at the one time. It was amazing. But the novelty wore off quickly and the rest of the maps were more closed in and tightly woven. That's the way it should be done in my opinion, or like Origins seems to be doing it.

NeverBackDown
11-10-17, 06:38 PM
Assassin's Creed Origins DLC and FLC announced.
Apparently "Photo Mode" is FLC.. um.. that should just be included. Not a highlight for downloadable content.. even if it's free.

Gamespot (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.gamespot.com/amp-articles/assassins-creed-origins-free-dlc-and-season-pass-r/1100-6453948/#ampshare=https://www.gamespot.com/articles/assassins-creed-origins-free-dlc-and-season-pass-r/1100-6453948/)

AlienALX
13-10-17, 07:54 AM
OK look I never post links to this site. Mostly because some people don't like it. This time however I must.

https://www.bit-tech.net/features/asus-interview-andrew-wu-rog-motherboard-pm/1/

It's an interview with Andrew Wu of Asus. May I just point this out...

bit-tech: Can you go into more technical detail about why the new CPUs are not backwards-compatible with Z270 motherboards?

Andrew: Actually, it depends on Intel’s decision.

bit-tech: So it’s not a physical limitation? Intel said it was to do with power delivery.

Andrew: Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much.

bit-tech: So what are they referring to – the 20 or so unused pins from before?

Andrew: Yes.

bit-tech: So if you wanted and Intel let you, you could make Z270 compatible?

Andrew: Yes, but you also require an upgrade from the ME [Management Engine] and a BIOS update. Intel somehow has locked the compatibility.

I rest my case.

Dicehunter
13-10-17, 08:14 AM
bit-tech: So if you wanted and Intel let you, you could make Z270 compatible?

Andrew: Yes, but you also require an upgrade from the ME [Management Engine] and a BIOS update. Intel somehow has locked the compatibility.


I said this ages ago, Software and firmware update is all that is really needed but I got shot down and called various names, Not on here but on a Facebook comment.

Greed is all it comes down to.

AlienALX
13-10-17, 08:15 AM
I said this ages ago, Software and firmware update is all that is really needed but I got shot down and called various names, Not on here but on a Facebook comment.

Greed is all it comes down to.

Well you now have definitive proof from the horse's mouth :)

Warchild
13-10-17, 08:34 AM
I said this ages ago, Software and firmware update is all that is really needed but I got shot down and called various names, Not on here but on a Facebook comment.

Greed is all it comes down to.

You made a sensible comment on facebook... you were just asking for trouble posting there. It's cancer for any public debate.

Anyways... It's an intentional way to push stock value up. Force more sales and shareholders are happy.

Korreborg
13-10-17, 08:49 AM
But you read what you want to read. The Asus guy is asked if he could make it work. And he says yes, but its locked in ME. They don't talk about the physical pins.
If Intel sticks to 2 CPU generations at a time, an next gen is 8 core, then it can be down to the fact that they needed the change to make it forward compatible.

Yes yes i get it, Intel are bad, and yada yada yada. But you are basically discussing stuff you know nothing about. Short answers to questions that could be elaborated about shows that he is not opening up.

AlienALX
13-10-17, 08:53 AM
But you read what you want to read. The Asus guy is asked if he could make it work. And he says yes, but its locked in ME. They don't talk about the physical pins.
If Intel sticks to 2 CPU generations at a time, an next gen is 8 core, then it can be down to the fact that they needed the change to make it forward compatible.

Yes yes i get it, Intel are bad, and yada yada yada. But you are basically discussing stuff you know nothing about. Short answers to questions that could be elaborated about shows that he is not opening up.

Only we do know something about it. For example when Intel came out and said it was due to power. We all know that decent Z270 boards have more than enough phases/can deliver more than enough power for two more Kaby cores and etc.

So yes, some of it was based on facts. If 8 phases could run a FX 8 then it could sure as eggs run 6/12 Kaby because that's basically what it is.

Any way, it gets pedantic when it really isn't. Very clear cut, IMO. "Could it work Mr Asus guy, guy who knows more than most will ever dream about knowing?" "Why yes, yes it would".

Korreborg
13-10-17, 08:55 AM
Then i go an read the link.
Funny that you decided not to bring the next few lines as well? I'll just leave it at that.

bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?
Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

AlienALX
13-10-17, 08:59 AM
Then i go an read the link.
Funny that you decided not to bring the next few lines as well? I'll just leave it at that.

bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?
Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

That is irrelevant for the reasons I just mentioned. IE - if 8 phases could push a 250w+ Piledriver they could easily handle two more Kaby cores from 4.

Maybe some time in the very distant future (because it will probably take Intel another decade to have another two core enema) it may make a tiny bit of difference. But the fact remains, there was no reason, at least not for now, not to release this 6 core chip on Z270. None.

Edit. The bit you posted is a moot point.

bit-tech: So it’s not a physical limitation? Intel said it was to do with power delivery.

Andrew: Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much.

They had already covered that.

Warchild
13-10-17, 09:47 AM
That is irrelevant for the reasons I just mentioned. IE - if 8 phases could push a 250w+ Piledriver they could easily handle two more Kaby cores from 4.

Maybe some time in the very distant future (because it will probably take Intel another decade to have another two core enema) it may make a tiny bit of difference. But the fact remains, there was no reason, at least not for now, not to release this 6 core chip on Z270. None.

Edit. The bit you posted is a moot point.

bit-tech: So it’s not a physical limitation? Intel said it was to do with power delivery.

Andrew: Not really. It [the power delivery] makes a little bit of difference, but not much.

They had already covered that.

Lets make a thread guys. We shouldnt flood quick news with this.

Dicehunter
13-10-17, 09:59 AM
Then i go an read the link.
Funny that you decided not to bring the next few lines as well? I'll just leave it at that.

bit-tech: The 20 previously unused pins that you mentioned, what are they now used for?
Andrew: Many of them are used for power control. It's possible that these are in preparation for the high-core count processors.

Don't start getting into "you didn't say this or that" etc... it's annoying to read and gets a little childish after a while, There's no need for it.

Make a thread if what someone didn't say is that important to you...

AlienALX
13-10-17, 10:35 AM
Lets make a thread guys. We shouldnt flood quick news with this.

Honestly man there is no point. There's nothing left to argue about. We may never get conclusive proof about the soldering and so on, but this is conclusive. To me at least. The biggest most BA board maker in the business says it would work fine if Intel didn't block it, that's about all she wrote really.

After that it just becomes nonsense (pretty much like the solder gate thread that I will put my hands up to !).

AlienALX
13-10-17, 12:18 PM
It just gets worse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O98qP-FsIWo

https://i.imgur.com/wA5PTMJ.jpg

AngryGoldfish
13-10-17, 08:20 PM
I don't know if I was fully sold on all the points he was making. It's been two days since I watched it though so I can't remember what they were. Sometimes Jim is right, sometimes he's glaringly wrong. Rarely ever does he admit that in video form. He might correct himself in a comment, which is great, but sadly most won't see that.

AlienALX
14-10-17, 08:02 AM
I don't know if I was fully sold on all the points he was making. It's been two days since I watched it though so I can't remember what they were. Sometimes Jim is right, sometimes he's glaringly wrong. Rarely ever does he admit that in video form. He might correct himself in a comment, which is great, but sadly most won't see that.

Each manufacturer of motherboards have been leaving MCE (or multi core enhancement) left on auto which means on. This is an Intel feature. What it then does is overclock the CPU to the full single core boost rate. So 4.7ghz in this case. So, when reviewers reviewed the "stock" 8700k it was actually receiving a substantial boost.

But this is great, you may think, as it saves people overclocking right? well first of all it skews reviews and makes the 8700k sound far better than it actually is, and secondly Intel came out with a statement a few days back that said that they were only guaranteeing single core boost frequencies and the base freq, IIRC. In other words if Intel knock out a dodgy batch of CPUs that don't clock as high as the review samples ETC then these speeds will be lower etc.

Just to prove how right Jim was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-zU2p2ykc&t=2s

AngryGoldfish
14-10-17, 01:59 PM
Each manufacturer of motherboards have been leaving MCE (or multi core enhancement) left on auto which means on. This is an Intel feature. What it then does is overclock the CPU to the full single core boost rate. So 4.7ghz in this case. So, when reviewers reviewed the "stock" 8700k it was actually receiving a substantial boost.

But this is great, you may think, as it saves people overclocking right? well first of all it skews reviews and makes the 8700k sound far better than it actually is, and secondly Intel came out with a statement a few days back that said that they were only guaranteeing single core boost frequencies and the base freq, IIRC. In other words if Intel knock out a dodgy batch of CPUs that don't clock as high as the review samples ETC then these speeds will be lower etc.

Just to prove how right Jim was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi-zU2p2ykc&t=2s

It's not the MCE debacle I'm talking about; that's obviously an unfair and unwise thing to do since those with inferior cooling will be held back without realising it. They'd have significantly lower performance numbers without knowing why. It's his other points—again I can't remember them, sorry—that he made in the video as well as his seemingly constant attacks against Intel and Nvidia that I sometimes doubt.

AlienALX
14-10-17, 02:42 PM
It's not the MCE debacle I'm talking about; that's obviously an unfair and unwise thing to do since those with inferior cooling will be held back without realising it. They'd have significantly lower performance numbers without knowing why. It's his other points—again I can't remember them, sorry—that he made in the video as well as his seemingly constant attacks against Intel and Nvidia that I sometimes doubt.

TBF if AMD mess up he does say so. And yeah, the MCE thing sucks, especially as Intel will not guarantee any speeds at all. You could end up with a right minger. Kinda like the C? D? batch I7 920. Absolute pants.