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Old 07-04-07, 03:29 AM
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Help with IDE Cables!

Hey guys, I'm in the market for a new DVD burner and have read that these quicker ones require an 80 pin IDE cable to work at full speed. I'm not sure if I have an 80 pin so I have some questions:

1) Is mine 80 pin? (see image)

2) Where can I buy an 80 pin IDE cable?

3)Will it work with my motherboard?(http://www.ecs.com.tw/ECSWebSite/Pro...uID=44&LanID=9)

Sorry for crappy phone pics.

Thanks!
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Old 07-04-07, 04:04 AM
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That doesn't look like an 80 pin cable, but I can't be sure. The new drive will probably include one if it needs it. And it will work with your motherboard, Ultra ATA 66/100 has been around a long time. I hope that helps.
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Old 07-04-07, 04:11 AM
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I'm pretty sure these new drives require Ultra DMA 133.

Will these cables work?

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/rounatcab.html

I'm looking at drives from this page:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...nd&Order=PRICE

Most of those drives are OEM, or don't include a cable in retail.

Thanks.
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Old 07-04-07, 04:17 AM
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Looking at the specs it looks like even for DVD-ROM reads at 18x it is under 33MB/s so a 40 pin cable would be fine. Those cables should work, they seem like a good deal to. Also just to put it into perspective remember that very few if any hard disks go over 100MB/s so it is doubtful that DVDs will ever aproach this.
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Old 07-04-07, 04:30 AM
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Looking at the specs it looks like even for DVD-ROM reads at 18x it is under 33MB/s so a 40 pin cable would be fine. Those cables should work, they seem like a good deal to. Also just to put it into perspective remember that very few if any hard disks go over 100MB/s so it is doubtful that DVDs will ever aproach this.
Yea, but reading the reviews, it seems you should use the 133 cables. Maybe I should just go SATA dvd drive. Prolly be cheaper..
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Old 07-04-07, 04:32 AM
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Yea, but reading the reviews, it seems you should use the 133 cables. Maybe I should just go SATA dvd drive. Prolly be cheaper..
Maybe, and less cable clutter and more "futureproof".
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Old 07-04-07, 04:49 AM
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Maybe, and less cable clutter and more "futureproof".
Yea, I'm about to kill something right now

I can't find ANY spare SATA cables!

wtf.
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Old 07-04-07, 09:21 AM
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Easy way to find out mate is to count the ribbons on the cable. If you get to 40 and you're only half way thru, then you know its an 80-pin one

Agreed on the SATA tho, I <3 my SATA writer.
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Old 07-04-07, 11:24 AM
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yeah, go SATA, saves lots of problems
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Old 07-04-07, 12:25 PM
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There`s quite a few ways to look at this.

SATA writers are observed equally as cheap as their ATA counterparts, so there`s no issue there.

In the next year or 2, the IDE connections on new mobos may disappear altogether - but then a new good standard writer costs less than £20.. so it isn`t that much of an issue. Similarly IDE->SATA thingies have been seen from £7.99 to £17.99.. meh.

U`r dilema of is the cable 80 or 40 core ribbon`ed - well if u have a HardDrive IDE cable that`s less than a handfull of years old, it`ll be an 80, u can use the same one. The size of individual strands of the ribbon (not an exact science): the 40 pol looks similar thickness to a molex, and the 80 pol strands will look like thinner fan wires - as a comparison. Both use a 40 pin connector - so don`t be confused when the top of the connector says 40 The 80 just uses 2 wires per pin connection.

Most importantly for u prehaps would be if u`r mobo is capable of recognizing a SATA optical unit from boot. What u don`t want is a situation where u have a windows problem and need to boot to cd or something, but u`r mobo won`t let u. The guyz could advise u better if u`r mobo make will allow this.

Is there a speed/performance difference ? Well it`s hard to say exactly. To be able to do this u would need 3 identical units; one with SATA, and the other 2 using a 80 pol and a 40 pol. It`s commented that, apart from bursts, that opticals don`t operate over something like ATA66 no matter what way they`re connected coz of the present limitations of how they`re constructed.

It`s also fair to comment that if u rely on internal audio output to a soundcard, not all SATA have them. In fact all the ones I`ve seen so far haven`t, but that`s not saying a whole lot.

Do-not connect an optical unit on the same IDE ribbon as a harddrive - an IDE channel syncs to the lowest speed unit. So effectively u`r harddrive will drop from ATA133 to ATA100/66 or lower.

So really u need to look at what u`r using in u`r pc at the moment. If u`ve already got both IDE channels covered with alteast 1 harddrive, including an optical in the mix will upset the speed. Have u got a free SATA port - or are u looking to add another SATA harddrive to u`r system in the future (prehaps) and only have 1 slot left ?

To be fair, u use u`r harddrives infinitely more than u`r writer, so bare the effects of u`r writer on them. U kinda use a writer and.. well most of the time it sits there.
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